DiscoverCSG
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Non-hub Flights In The US

Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:30 am

There's a thread right now about some oddball CO services ex-MSY next week.

We all know that hubs are meant to catch traffic from all over the place and redistribute it to all over the place.

But doesn't there come a point when there's so much O/D traffic between two non-hub cities that an airline could make more money flying a non-stop and overflying the hub?

I suppose AA would qualify with their JFK transcons, but are there examples of such flights from smaller markets?
 
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RE: Non-hub Flights In The US

Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:54 am

Sure. From CMH you can fly to any of the three NYC area airports on a variety of airlines. I believe Delta flies direct to more than one destination in Florida, and the last time I checked, they also offered direct service to BDL. I'm sure there are other examples.
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RE: Non-hub Flights In The US

Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:05 am

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Thread starter):
But doesn't there come a point when there's so much O/D traffic between two non-hub cities that an airline could make more money flying a non-stop and overflying the hub?

AA:
SJC-AUS which does quite well. Hopefully SEA-AUS will perform.
SFO-BOS; SFO-HNL; LAX-EWR; LAX-IAD; LAX-MCO; LAX-DEN; LAX-SFO; LAX-AUS; LAX-SAT....do you want them all listed? We'd be here for awhile...
 
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RE: Non-hub Flights In The US

Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:10 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 2):
LAX-EWR; LAX-IAD; LAX-MCO; LAX-DEN; LAX-SFO; LAX-AUS; LAX-SAT

I see an odd trend regarding the origin airport of all those flights. AA seems to have a domestic hub at LAX.

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RE: Non-hub Flights In The US

Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:13 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 2):
AA:
SJC-AUS which does quite well. Hopefully SEA-AUS will perform.
SFO-BOS; SFO-HNL; LAX-EWR; LAX-IAD; LAX-MCO; LAX-DEN; LAX-SFO; LAX-AUS; LAX-SAT....do you want them all listed? We'd be here for awhile...

isn't LAX one of there hubs? also I am pretty sure that American like most airlines uses the SFO-HNL as a stoping point so one could argue that the route needs the extra lift from the flights that connect. I think what he is asking is about flights were airlines don't have connecting traffic, I think SFO is on the fence but I think it could go either way.
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RE: Non-hub Flights In The US

Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:17 am

Well, technically ALL of ExpressJet's upcoming independent services are non-hub flights...I mean BFL-SAN? I'm doing cartwheels that it BY-PASSES a "hub" airport!!
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RE: Non-hub Flights In The US

Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:19 am

Quoting MPDPilot (Reply 4):
isn't LAX one of there hubs? also

Technically, LAX isn't an AA hub (UA has more departures than AA). AA started their larger LAX ops after their acquisition of Reno Air.
 
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RE: Non-hub Flights In The US

Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:04 am

Isn't that what Southwest has based their whole business model on, O&D traffic?

To answer your question, yet there is enough of a market and yes, many airlines already do fly many P2P routes.
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RE: Non-hub Flights In The US

Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:10 am

Quoting DIA77 (Reply 6):
Technically, LAX isn't an AA hub (UA has more departures than AA). AA started their larger LAX ops after their acquisition of Reno Air.

I don't understand I have always thought it was a hub. Just to point out UA has more opps at ORD than AA but it is still a hub for them. Maybe I am wrong.
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RE: Non-hub Flights In The US

Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:18 am

AA does not consider LAX a hub. A focus city perhaps, but not a hub. AA's "official" hubs (by their definition) are: DFW, ORD, MIA, STL and SJU.
 
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RE: Non-hub Flights In The US

Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:44 am

Half of airtran's flights into RSW are non hub routes.

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