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Where Is The El Paso Cv990?

Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:43 am

Does anyone know the fate of the Greco Air Cv-990 stored at El Paso for many years? I just checked Google Earth and it is gone from it's former resting place... not any easy thing to hide, and I am sure that premium hanger space is not being used, but I may be mistaken... the aircraft was up for sale a year ago, with the El Paso Airport Authority suggesting that it had to be removed within 30 days of a pending auction, but all seemed to go quiet. Any info would be gratefully received.
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RE: Where Is The El Paso Cv990?

Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:35 am

I searched on Google Earth and found out that the Convair 990 is still there. Here is a picture from Google Earth: http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t96/AirplaneFan/NewPicture.jpg?t=1171499686

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RE: Where Is The El Paso Cv990?

Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:27 am

I must be blind - thanks very much! I should learn to zoom in more!  Smile
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RE: Where Is The El Paso Cv990?

Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:37 pm

Got to love that stored Jetway too!
 
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RE: Where Is The El Paso Cv990?

Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:59 pm

Wasn't that aircraft susposed to go to some museum in Houston? Anyone know what happened?
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RE: Where Is The El Paso Cv990?

Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:45 pm

Last I heard, the airport gave the owners an ultimatum for unpaid storage fees that they didn't meet, so the plane went up for auction and was sold to someone who wanter to cut her up for scrap...  Sad I hope that someone saved her from that fate, she was the last airworthy CV-990 left in the world.

The ICAO has striken the type from the recognized types list, which significantly complicates any efforts to fly her out (should you happen to bump into three people with a CV-990 type rating  Wink ).
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RE: Where Is The El Paso Cv990?

Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:50 pm

Quoting AirplaneFan (Reply 1):
I searched on Google Earth and found out that the Convair 990 is still there. Here is a picture from Google Earth:

Google Earth's pictures of ELP are outdated. You can still see a couple of WN 732's at the gate, an AA F100 at gate A3, and I believe the runway 26L/8R resurfacing project was completed in early 2003...
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RE: Where Is The El Paso Cv990?

Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:05 pm

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 4):
Wasn't that aircraft susposed to go to some museum in Houston? Anyone know what happened?

The deal fell through because they couldn't get insurance for the ferry flight to HOU...  Sad They had problems, too, because the ICAO no longer recognizes the CV-990 type...
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RE: Where Is The El Paso Cv990?

Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:18 pm

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 7):
They had problems, too, because the ICAO no longer recognizes the CV-990 type...

I wouldn't have thought that would have been all that much of an obstacle. I mean, this would have been a FAA-blessed one-time ferry flight ELP-HOU (IAH?) and wasn't like they were going to put her back into regular service on international routes.

(Can you imagine the fuel burn on this thing, especially since she's non-RVSM and can only get as high as FL270 eastbound?)

Maybe the ICAO requirement was a condition for the insurance, since alot of that is London/UK-based...
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RE: Where Is The El Paso Cv990?

Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:19 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 8):
this would have been a FAA-blessed one-time ferry flight ELP-HOU (IAH?)

It would indeed have been HOU. I understand the museum that was interested is based in the old, original terminal building at Hobby...
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RE: Where Is The El Paso Cv990?

Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:55 am

Quoting AirplaneFan (Reply 1):
I searched on Google Earth and found out that the Convair 990 is still there

 alert  Don't be so sure...see following...

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 6):
Google Earth's pictures of ELP are outdated.

Yes they are! In fact, most of Google Earth/Google Maps "satellite" imagery is from circa 2000. All we know from that image is that the CV990 was there several years ago.

Looking for my house on Google Earth, I see an empty lot. I've lived there for five years. I can also see my old car from about seven years ago simultaneously in two different locations. smile 
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RE: Where Is The El Paso Cv990?

Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:41 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 8):
I wouldn't have thought that would have been all that much of an obstacle. I mean, this would have been a FAA-blessed one-time ferry flight ELP-HOU (IAH?) and wasn't like they were going to put her back into regular service on international routes.

What do you put on your flight plan for the type? The FAA's computers draw their data from the ICAO list nowadays...

[pure conjecture]
You would probably have to re-register her as an experimental, and go through all of the rigamerole required with that, including numerous FAA airworthiness inspections, whereas before, all you had to prove was compliance with all inspections required for part 91 operation up to and including the MEL
[/pure conjecture]

Of course, if you're flying on a ferry permit, you do require an FAA inspection as well...however I had heard that she was up-to-date the last time she was flown (1995 or so...). I don't know airliners, so I don't know what time-limited inspection intervals may have passed, but if she was a GA bird (which I realize a transport-category jet most certainly is not  Wink ), all she would need to be legal is an annual inspection and any applicable AD's from the intervening time period would have to be applied.
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RE: Where Is The El Paso Cv990?

Sat Feb 17, 2007 5:10 pm

I would think that a lot of things would have to be changed out, like anything rubber would have dry rotted in the past 10 years or so. The cost of getting it airworthy for a ferry flight would have been astronomical!
Where in the world would that museum in the old air terminal put her? There isn't much ramp space around there, and the CV-990 is a relatively large bird.
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