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TAAG's New 73W Goes Intercontinental!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:00 am

Angola's TAAG is reportedly introducing a twice weekly Boeing 737-700 service from the capital Luanda to Lisbon via the Sao Tome Island. These flights compliment the daily TAAG 777/743 and the TAP 343 services.

This is one loooooong sector!  crazy 

http://www.africanflyer.com/2007/02/...taag-to-serve-lisbon-via-sao-tome/
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RE: TAAG's New 73W Goes Intercontinental!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:08 am

I'll be really amazed if TAAG is to fly those B737-700 LAD-REC or even LAD-SSA non-stop.
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RE: TAAG's New 73W Goes Intercontinental!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:12 am

That web page says the aircraft is a B73W, and the picture is of a 777. Maybe it is a 777-300ER? Although the picture looks to me like a 772.
 
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RE: TAAG's New 73W Goes Intercontinental!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:13 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 1):
I'll be really amazed if TAAG is to fly those B737-700 LAD-REC or even LAD-SSA non-stop.

Range-wise they'd be OK, not sure about their ETOPS certification though?
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RE: TAAG's New 73W Goes Intercontinental!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:16 am

Quoting Areopagus (Reply 2):
That web page says the aircraft is a B73W, and the picture is of a 777.

True, but I think they just splashed the first picture they could find... as TAAG does not have the 77W (yet!) but rather the "200ER" series.
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RE: TAAG's New 73W Goes Intercontinental!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:21 am

Not really newsworthy. Even B-1900s go "Intercontinental" between Morocco and Portugal...
COPA's 73Gs go all the way from central America to Argentina, Jetstars A-320s will go from Darwin to Asia etc.
Indeed transoceanic 737s would be more newsworthy. An Abidjan-Brazil hop is only 3-4 hours I guess so doable.
Between Europe and the USA, there are some executive configured 737s flying, but apart from some charters and the Air Canada A-319 I believe no true scheduled 737 or A-320 flights with normal economy seats.
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RE: TAAG's New 73W Goes Intercontinental!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:31 am

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 5):
Not really newsworthy. Even B-1900s go "Intercontinental" between Morocco and Portugal...

Its more than a 10 hour flight for a regular, pax-configured 737. You still don't see too many of such flights around, so to me its quite an interesting information and worth sharing. Apologies if its not your idea of a "breaking news article", which it wasn't mean to be in any case.
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RE: TAAG's New 73W Goes Intercontinental!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:37 am

This TAAG flight is primarily intended to carry pax between S.Tome and Portugal.
It was on the news in Portugal that TAAG will operate TMS-LIS on behalf on newly formed
S.Tome e Principe Air. Ofcourse the LAD-TMS sector will not be empty, as there is a large
community of Sao Tomenses living in Angola
 
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RE: TAAG's New 73W Goes Intercontinental!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:47 am

That seems like a long time for a 737.
Does't TAAG have 747s and 777s that can do this instead?

When did TAAG retire there IL-62s?

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 5):
Even B-1900s go "Intercontinental" between Morocco and Portugal...

I took a Olympic ATR-72 between Istanbul, Turkey and Athens, Greece.
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RE: TAAG's New 73W Goes Intercontinental!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:49 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
took a Olympic ATR-72 between Istanbul, Turkey and Athens, Greece.

but IST is in the 3% of Turkey's land area that is "Europe" rather than the 97% which is "Asia" so not really intercontinental
 
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RE: TAAG's New 73W Goes Intercontinental!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:53 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
That seems like a long time for a 737.
Does't TAAG have 747s and 777s that can do this instead?

TMS Airport may not be able to provide the best support for a B737 or B777. Passengers between LAD and LIS would surely choose to fly TP or TAAG, as said written before, that flight is more of a service to TMS O/D traffic.
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RE: TAAG's New 73W Goes Intercontinental!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:56 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
That seems like a long time for a 737.
Does't TAAG have 747s and 777s that can do this instead

I believe S.Tome airport cannot handle the 777/747. I clearly remember when TAP re-started TMS
flights around 1989/90 and used their B727 via DKR and that was due to runway restrictions...
However, TP now use the A310 so there must have been an upgrade to runway structure and
besides TAAG 777/747 are being used on other routes.
 
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RE: TAAG's New 73W Goes Intercontinental!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:28 am

How long time LAD-Sao Tome , and Sao Tome -LIS ?
 
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RE: TAAG's New 73W Goes Intercontinental!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:28 am

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 9):
but IST is in the 3% of Turkey's land area that is "Europe" rather than the 97% which is "Asia" so not really intercontinental

That's right! I forgot.


Thanks for the info.
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RE: TAAG's New 73W Goes Intercontinental!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:54 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 10):
Passengers between LAD and LIS would surely choose to fly TP or TAAG, as said written before, that flight is more of a service to TMS O/D traf

If the price is right they will go via TMS. Remember that most people choose based on price even if it means a quick stop along the way.
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RE: TAAG's New 73W Goes Intercontinental!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:00 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 1):
I'll be really amazed if TAAG is to fly those B737-700 LAD-REC or even LAD-SSA non-stop.

Is TAAG seriously considering flights to REC or SSA? I would guess that GRU would be the next destination that DT adds in Brazil.

Is TAAG still planning to start flights to IAH?
 
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RE: TAAG's New 73W Goes Intercontinental!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:13 am

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 15):
Is TAAG seriously considering flights to REC or SSA?

DT runs charters to SSA

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 15):
Is TAAG still planning to start flights to IAH?

If they're to fly to IAH, REC (because distance) or SSA (because LAD-SSA traffic) could be good destinations to stop enroute to IAH. Of course a B737-700 with full pax won't make it from Brazil to IAH non-stop.
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RE: TAAG's New 73W Goes Intercontinental!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:19 am

Hi!

Just to let you know that TAAG ALREADY started flying that route with the 737-700!!! First one to come was D2-TBJ!!!
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RE: TAAG's New 73W Goes Intercontinental!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:36 am

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 9):
but IST is in the 3% of Turkey's land area that is "Europe" rather than the 97% which is "Asia" so not really intercontinental

Unless of course he went from SAW  

edited to add: I checked the GC and it Sao Tomo-Lisbon is less than 2500nm, more than doable with the 73W.

[Edited 2007-02-15 22:37:50]
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RE: TAAG's New 73W Goes Intercontinental!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:46 am

Quote:
How long time LAD-Sao Tome , and Sao Tome -LIS ?

LAD-TMS-LIS = 676 nm + 2457 nm, for a total of 3132 nm.

All easily within range of a 737-700. SAN-OGG, for example, is flown by AQ (2208 nm).
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RE: TAAG's New 73W Goes Intercontinental!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:07 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 19):
LAD-TMS-LIS = 676 nm + 2457 nm, for a total of 3132 nm.

CM's PTY-MVD, the longest commercial B737-700/800 flight is 2941nm. LAD-LIS non-stop is 3110nm, which I think, with 100+ passengers may be flown non-stop on a B737-700.
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RE: TAAG's New 73W Goes Intercontinental!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:05 pm

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 5):
COPA's 73Gs go all the way from central America to Argentina

Not on the same flight number though.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 5):
Jetstars A-320s will go from Darwin to Asia

Hardly the same as this is it now?

I for one would not want to be on the flight when I could go on the 772 or 343 non stop. But I suppose it is good for serving the local community of Sao Tome.
 
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RE: TAAG's New 73W Goes Intercontinental!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:28 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 21):
Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 5):
COPA's 73Gs go all the way from central America to Argentina

Not on the same flight number though.

Panama is generally considered as being part of Central America, not South America.
 
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RE: TAAG's New 73W Goes Intercontinental!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:09 pm

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 20):
LAD-LIS non-stop is 3110nm, which I think, with 100+ passengers may be flown non-stop on a B737-700.

The flight isn't non-stop.
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RE: TAAG's New 73W Goes Intercontinental!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:37 pm

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 20):
LAD-LIS non-stop is 3110nm, which I think, with 100+ passengers may be flown non-stop on a B737-700.

It's absolutely possible, but there is no way in heck TAAG would be stupid enough to put a 737 on the nonstop flight between LAD and LIS...they can fill up their 743 flights no problem.
 
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RE: TAAG's New 73W Goes Intercontinental!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:51 pm

Quoting SW733 (Reply 24):
It's absolutely possible, but there is no way in heck TAAG would be stupid enough to put a 737 on the nonstop flight between LAD and LIS...they can fill up their 743 flights no problem.

You want to bet? I could give you a couple of reasons why DT would fly their B737-700 non-stop to LIS.
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RE: TAAG's New 73W Goes Intercontinental!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:55 pm

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 25):
Quoting SW733 (Reply 24):
It's absolutely possible, but there is no way in heck TAAG would be stupid enough to put a 737 on the nonstop flight between LAD and LIS...they can fill up their 743 flights no problem.

You want to bet? I could give you a couple of reasons why DT would fly their B737-700 non-stop to LIS.

Please tell us your reasons.

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RE: TAAG's New 73W Goes Intercontinental!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:31 pm

Quoting Gte439u (Reply 26):
Please tell us your reasons.

Angolan government personnel on official business in Portugal.
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RE: TAAG's New 73W Goes Intercontinental!

Sat Feb 17, 2007 12:27 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 27):
Angolan government personnel on official business in Portugal.

OK, but wouldn't they prefer the more spacious and luxurious front cabins of the new 777s?
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RE: TAAG's New 73W Goes Intercontinental!

Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:48 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 27):
Angolan government personnel on official business in Portugal.

However the bilateral between Portugal and Angola limits the number of flights per week (Actually the Angolan government limits it), so until that's changed you will never see a LAD-LIS non-stop on a 737. That is one reason why they are operating it via TMS, because they're not allowed to add another non-stop flight. Another reason is to code-share with a local airline on that route.

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