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AA And AE Add And Upgrade RDU

Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:20 am

OMG.. what's going on here?

American Eagle adds 2x SDF, MCI, JAX

American announce their previously known upgrades to LGA and AUS...

Who would have thunked AA would respond to ExpressJet in such a manner? This ain't MIA, ORD, or DFW? WTHell?
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Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:27 am

BTW.. on another note.. AA has also upgraded/downgraded.. not sure which.. most of the flights between ORD-RDU and DFW-RDU from MD80 to MD83... dont' know what that means.. but it was a change also..
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Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:55 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Thread starter):
American Eagle adds 2x SDF, MCI, JAX

I think JAX may work because of inbound connections to RDU from the northeast -- places like EWR, LGA, BOS, BDL, etc. MCI is a long-shot but may work on O&D and SDF is, in my view, hopeless. What a waste of precious RJ resources.

Quoting ERJ170 (Thread starter):
Who would have thunked AA would respond to ExpressJet in such a manner?

It is a stupid decision to throw planes into markets where AA has no business being. If they truly think they can make money on these routes, then fine, they should try them out. But I doubt that is what is going on here. These planes would be put to far, far better use in other markets, like beefing up RJ service out of Miami, or restoring more DFW-upper midwest service.
 
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RE: AA And AE Add And Upgrade RDU

Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:59 am

Why only some of the ExpressJet markets - these new flights probably wont be enough to keep XJet out of RDU
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Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:10 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 1):
most of the flights between ORD-RDU and DFW-RDU from MD80 to MD83... dont' know what that means

The M83's have longer legs, that's all. No capacity difference.
 
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Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:25 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 3):
these new flights probably wont be enough to keep XJet out of RDU

I'm fairly certain Xjet would eventually kick itself out of RDU.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 2):
I think JAX may work because of inbound connections to RDU from the northeast -- places like EWR, LGA, BOS, BDL, etc.

Ala FlyI? Connecting traffic from all those places over RDU to JAX is going to be very low yield....on an RJ.
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RE: AA And AE Add And Upgrade RDU

Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:27 am

If you ask me... 3 much better routes they could have started from RDU:

PVD - 3x daily ERJ
BUF - 2x daily ERJ
RSW - 2x daily ERJ
SAN - 1x 738
SEA - 1x 738
SFO - 1x 738
CUN - 1x MD80

Take your pick! Any of THESE would have been much better resources and would have been full every day.. but instead to throw some RJ on routes just because another carrier wants to offer something that AA NEVER would have done before? CRAZY!!!!
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Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:28 am

I hope they reconsider PVD... PVD-RDU went from 3x ER3 up to 3x ER4 1x ER3 within the first year, then they dropped it completely within a year after that....
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Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:33 am

I was hoping they would bring back RDU-HPN.

ORD-HPN is going up to 10x on weekdays.

Any new HPN service had better be added soon before the caps are maxed out.

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RE: AA And AE Add And Upgrade RDU

Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:35 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
I'm fairly certain Xjet would eventually kick itself out of RDU.

I disagree.. Xjet will still do well because RDU is very business oriented.. and the traffic will be able to sustain both.. but I do believe that XJet will probably drop SDF (at which so will AE).. but there are plenty of other opportunities at RDU for XJet.. If they ever move North.. it's on! There are so many RDU-XXX opportunities..
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Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:46 am

This type of carrier behavior is frustrating, from a non-hub passenger's perspective. An enterprising carrier determines that it can make money on a city pair that isn't presently served. They announce and implement the service. Another carrier decides to roll out its own new service on the route. Both routes perform poorly. Both carriers stop the service. Passengers lose out.

I realize each carrier has the right to provide the service it chooses to. But if both carriers were acting with strict economic motives, the second carrier would stay away (or the remaining carrier after one ceases service on the new route would continue the service thereafter).

You can't tell me AA is rolling out service on RDU/SDF because they think they can make money. They're trying to keep the marketplace smaller by pushing Xjet out of business. At least that's my take. If someone has a viable theory about a legitimate economic motive for AA in this situation, I'm eager to hear it.
 
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Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:51 am

I agree with what others have opined ...

Rather than wasting time, money and a (very) scarce resource -- namely Eagle RJ capacity -- on markets like MCI and SDF, and possibly JAX, I think Eagle would have done much better to restore service to markets like PVD and HPN, probably with 3x daily service each. Both of those cities, in my view, could support higher and more consistent yields and loads than any of these three markets Eagle has just announced. But, then again, what do I know? I don't have the same date Eagle does, and they did, after all, drop both PVD and HPN when they tried them the first times around.
 
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Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:52 am

Quoting MSYguy (Reply 10):
If someone has a viable theory about a legitimate economic motive for AA in this situation, I'm eager to hear it.

There is none. This is nothing more than AA defending its turf. And if XJET pulls out of one or some of the markets, and AA decides to keep them, watch the prices skyrocket. Typical predatory move, but this time using RJ's instead of mainline.
 
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Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:57 am

Bringing back the weekend RDU-NAS service would have been nice too.....

AE probably could have pulled it off with better advertising and maybe better timing to connect with some of the Northeast flights.


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RE: AA And AE Add And Upgrade RDU

Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:00 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 9):
Xjet will still do well because RDU is very business oriented

I hear that, but Xjet won't be able to offer the perks or frequency that those business travels need. If it didn't work for Washington DC where there was a sizeable hub, how the heck is it going to work for RDU with a handful of flights?
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Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:08 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 14):
I hear that, but Xjet won't be able to offer the perks or frequency that those business travels need. If it didn't work for Washington DC where there was a sizeable hub, how the heck is it going to work for RDU with a handful of flights?

XJet can make it work by doing one thing and one thing only...

Morning departures out of RDU (B/w 6a-8a) / evening departures out of RDU (b/w 6p-8p) and morning arrivals b/w 7a-8a / evening arrivals b/w 6-7p...

That is the most important time for business travelers.. period..
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Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:16 am

Quoting MSYguy (Reply 10):
This type of carrier behavior is frustrating, from a non-hub passenger's perspective. An enterprising carrier determines that it can make money on a city pair that isn't presently served. They announce and implement the service. Another carrier decides to roll out its own new service on the route. Both routes perform poorly. Both carriers stop the service. Passengers lose out.

It's sad but true. And IMO one could use this type of move to make a good argument about why we need regulation again. I'm actually somewhat surprised to see AA/AE make a move like this at a non-hub and a city they have pretty much forsaken over the last decade. This seems like something NW would do. (see MKE, IND, LAN, etc.)

RDU-SDF on two carriers...you gotta be kidding me!

Quoting Commavia (Reply 11):
Rather than wasting time, money and a (very) scarce resource -- namely Eagle RJ capacity -- on markets like MCI and SDF, and possibly JAX, I think Eagle would have done much better to restore service to markets like PVD and HPN, probably with 3x daily service each. Both of those cities, in my view, could support higher and more consistent yields and loads than any of these three markets Eagle has just announced.

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RE: AA And AE Add And Upgrade RDU

Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:23 am

Although it would be a better utilization of the American Eagle RJ on the HPN and BUF route.. I think PVD and NAS should be at least a E70 route.. something AA nor AE has... and the CR7 is not an option for it does not make an appearance at RDU EVER..

And since AA/AE is so committed to RDU (as their press statement says), why don't they go ahead with their original plan and open the maintenance hanger they were supposed too? That's what I'm talking about..
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Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:42 am

Ok ,
So who wants to make a bet on how long the routes will last at either or both carriers?


JAX and MCI could be here to stay in one form or another.
SDF I predict will be toast by the end of the summer.
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Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:44 am

Agreed.. JAX and MCI are pretty much gonna make it (although, if YX decided to enter.. OMG)

SDF could make it on one, but no the other.. unfortunately, I think XE would be the first to drop it since they will probably be a bit more expensive on it than AE.. and then I think AE will drop it 2 months later.. but if it was a single operator route, I am 99% sure it would be a keeper..
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Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:50 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 15):
Morning departures out of RDU (B/w 6a-8a) / evening departures out of RDU (b/w 6p-8p) and morning arrivals b/w 7a-8a / evening arrivals b/w 6-7p...

You ever try to schedule a plane like that Silly?
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RE: AA And AE Add And Upgrade RDU

Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:54 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 20):
You ever try to schedule a plane like that Silly?

Well no.. but it should be as close to that as possible.. well, at least for SDF, BHM, MCI, and JAX...

MSY is definitely a leisure flight and can be flown at any time of the day and do well..

SAT.. now I don't know about that one.. probably another anytime of the day since it is a longer flight..

But i guess I'm thinking in a perfect world..

Added thought..

It also depends on how many aircraft will be stationed at RDU as to how well it can be performed.. if it's 2, then at least some of them coudl work out perfectly..

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Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:47 am

PVD-RDU would be awesome for AE, maybe they will re-think it in time...
 
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Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:59 am

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 12):
This is nothing more than AA defending its turf.

Maddening. And this isn't even really their turf, as others have pointed out. It's not like XJET marched into DFW or something.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 14):
but Xjet won't be able to offer the perks or frequency that those business travels need.

I don't understand this. XJET is offering the same type of aircraft (RJ) and essentially the same frequency (2x or 3x) as AA. Also, XJET will have a first class cabin in its RJs, while AA will not.
 
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Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:36 am

It seems AA is trying to one up XE also.. because they are starting their routes May 1.. while XE are rumored to be starting their flights June 1.. so AA will have one full month to get passengers.. and XE hasn't even stated their official start dates yet so no one can even book them.. some XE probably should remedy ASAP..
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Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:41 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 24):
It seems AA is trying to one up XE also.. because they are starting their routes May 1.. while XE are rumored to be starting their flights June 1.. so AA will have one full month to get passengers.. and XE hasn't even stated their official start dates yet so no one can even book them.. some XE probably should remedy ASAP..

I wonder if XJet will rething their routes prior to going in. I also wonder if they expected this ,and that is why they waited to announce their start dates .
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Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:56 am

Quoting MSYguy (Reply 23):
Also, XJET will have a first class cabin in its RJs, while AA will not.

ExpressJet does not have a First Class cabin.
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Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:04 am

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 16):
And IMO one could use this type of move to make a good argument about why we need regulation again.

An argument yes... a good one, doubtful.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 21):
MSY is definitely a leisure flight and can be flown at any time of the day and do well

Agreed.
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Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:52 am

Quoting MSYguy (Reply 23):
I don't understand this. XJET is offering the same type of aircraft (RJ) and essentially the same frequency (2x or 3x) as AA. Also, XJET will have a first class cabin in its RJs, while AA will not.

American's trump card is AAdvantage. That by itself makes up for a 1 less daily flight. This is American we are talking about, they are specialists at crushing competition in their home turf.
 
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Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:26 am

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 28):
they are specialists at crushing competition in their home turf.

AA home turf = MIA, ORD, DFW, STL, SJU, LGA, JFK, BOS, LAX, LHR

AA pseudo-step chu'rens = RDU, AUS, SJC

If they really wanted to do a better favor for RDU, bring in some UNserved destinations..
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Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:09 am

This sucks for Raleigh. American Eagle will easily out-perform ExpressJets on these routes. There is absolutley no question about that. Then, Expressjet will pull out, and then American Eagle will pull out shortly after. And Raleigh is back to having zero non-stops to Kansas City, Jacksonville, and Louisville, simple as that. Smart move by American Airlines to run Expressjet out, because they probably will. Still, AA should just leave Expressjet alone, and put those RJs to better use out of Miami or Dallas.
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Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:59 am

How does Expressjet flying to these cities pose a threat to AA to the point where they go 2x to each city??


This really disturbs me to know that an airline that any other time would be so strapped for aircraft can suddenly have resources to start routes like RDU-SDF. ( I single that one out because the other two have a little bit of a chance.. I guess)
 
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Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:55 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 30):
Smart move by American Airlines to run Expressjet out, because they probably will. Still, AA should just leave Expressjet alone, and put those RJs to better use out of Miami or Dallas.



Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 31):
How does Expressjet flying to these cities pose a threat to AA to the point where they go 2x to each city??

This confuses me.

I can understand protecting your turf, but what is AA protecting? These are all nonstop markets where we don't have service AND at the moment we don't have any good connections too boot.

What percent of the O&D passengers do we have in these markets?

If the connections are good we might get some connecting pax from MIA to SDF and MCI and some PAX from the Northeast to JAX.

Could this be the beginning of a new build up for a mini hub in RDU? Keeping fingers crossed for RDU-HPN/PVD.

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Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:25 pm

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 32):
I can understand protecting your turf, but what is AA protecting? These are all nonstop markets where we don't have service AND at the moment we don't have any good connections too boot.

They are sending a message out to Expressjet. They aren't nessecarily protecting a specific turf, but they don't want Expressjet to be flying indepedently at all. Expressjet comes in with the theory "we are just going to be flying in markets that nobody else flies, so everybody will leave us alone and we'll work out great." American Airlines is basicly just responding by saying "We don't think so." And others will probably follow.

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 32):

If the connections are good we might get some connecting pax from MIA to SDF and MCI and some PAX from the Northeast to JAX.

MIA has a daily non-stop to SDF already, but yeah, they'll probably get some SDF/MCI-MIA/JAX traffic.

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 32):
Could this be the beginning of a new build up for a mini hub in RDU? Keeping fingers crossed for RDU-HPN/PVD

No, it isn't. The routes will likely not last more than nine months, IMO.
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Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:54 pm

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 26):
ExpressJet does not have a First Class cabin.

I thought I had read they would have two classes of service, but in a quick search on their website, I don't see any evidence of that. Sorry for the error.

Either way, they are on par with AA, which won't have first class either. Of course, it will have the AAdvantage program, which XJET lacks (it will have its own FF program, but not an established one with beaucoup perks like AA).
 
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RE: AA And AE Add And Upgrade RDU

Sat Feb 17, 2007 12:06 am

American will be flying 37 and 44 seat aircraft on these routes.. with typical AA service...

Expressjet will be flying 50 seat aircraft on these routes with XM and meals..

AA will get pax that normally fly AA; XE will get pax that would usually fly the other carriers.. .

I think they will both be able to handle their own because AA does not have a signficant enough market share to steal too many away form XE..

And hopefully the flight times will compliment each other rather than fly at the same time.. XE has the ability to compliment AE flights and perhaps leave an hour earlier or later.. but time will tell..
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Sat Feb 17, 2007 12:34 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 35):

I think they will both be able to handle their own because AA does not have a signficant enough market share to steal too many away form XE..

And hopefully the flight times will compliment each other rather than fly at the same time.. XE has the ability to compliment AE flights and perhaps leave an hour earlier or later.. but time will tell..

You are way too optimistic. At this point, I think it is very possible that XJET won't even start these routes.
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Sat Feb 17, 2007 4:31 am

is it me or are these flights not bookable/in any schedule provider yet???
 
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Sat Feb 17, 2007 4:49 am

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 37):
is it me or are these flights not bookable/in any schedule provider yet???

On xjet.com, the cities are TBA, and I read somewhere they will announce schedules and start dates on 2/25. Don't know if it will be the remainder of cities or a select few at that time.
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Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 38):
On xjet.com, the cities are TBA, and I read somewhere they will announce schedules and start dates on 2/25. Don't know if it will be the remainder of cities or a select few at that time.

thanks, but I was referring to the AE flights...
 
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Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:56 am

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 39):
Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 38):
On xjet.com, the cities are TBA, and I read somewhere they will announce schedules and start dates on 2/25. Don't know if it will be the remainder of cities or a select few at that time.

thanks, but I was referring to the AE flights...

AA doesn't have them up on its "new service" page, either.
 
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Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:01 am

AA flights will be uploaded tonight at around 2-3AM. The "new services" page is rarely updated once a month at most, sometimes twice.
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Sat Feb 17, 2007 10:02 am

RDU gets even more flights and destinations and people still complain. Just think how much worse it could be. The three letter code could be GSO.  Smile
 
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Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:50 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 36):
You are way too optimistic. At this point, I think it is very possible that XJET won't even start these routes.

Agreed, I'm wondering if RDU will see xjet at all.
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RE: AA And AE Add And Upgrade RDU

Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:04 am

Well, I hope XJet does start RDU. I think XJet will shift some flight around once they get comfortable.. probably drop SDF and start a new route... but like everyone else stated, I don't think the AE flights will be around for too long.. so as long as XE can at least make a small profit, it would be very worthwhile for them to hold on..

And as I stated before, American Eagle will get the American travelers.. but I think XE will have a much larger pool of people to pull from..

But i guess time will tell.. perhaps the XE station manager can get them to open PVD...
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Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:22 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 30):
This sucks for Raleigh. American Eagle will easily out-perform ExpressJets on these routes. There is absolutley no question about that. Then, Expressjet will pull out, and then American Eagle will pull out shortly after. And Raleigh is back to having zero non-stops to Kansas City, Jacksonville, and Louisville, simple as that. Smart move by American Airlines to run Expressjet out, because they probably will.

Not necessarily.... After XE and AE stimulate traffic between RDU-MCI and both pull out, YX will be in to pick up the pieces.....
 
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Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 44):
, I don't think the AE flights will be around for too long.. so as long as XE can at least make a small profit, it would be very worthwhile for them to hold on..

American Ealge will not pull out until XE does. That is the purpose of them starting these routes: to get XE out.

Quoting TSRA (Reply 45):
Not necessarily.... After XE and AE stimulate traffic between RDU-MCI and both pull out, YX will be in to pick up the pieces.....

True, that is possible.
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Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 6):
If you ask me... 3 much better routes they could have started from RDU:

PVD - 3x daily ERJ
BUF - 2x daily ERJ
RSW - 2x daily ERJ
SAN - 1x 738
SEA - 1x 738
SFO - 1x 738
CUN - 1x MD80

I agree completly. I hate talking bad about AA b/c it is the airline I am most loyal too but the decision to start service to places like SDF and MCI from RDU I dont think was that smart of a decision on their part. I must say if they want to do something good for RDU then I think they should start service to some of the above destinations. SEA, SAN, and SFO would be great choices to start. However, I would not be opposed at all to Alaska coming in and picking up the SEA route. But anyway, I give SDF and MCI till the end of the summer. JAX may stay around for a while. Also, why doesn't AA/AE start service to other Florida destinations from RDU such as MCO and FLL. I know WN and DL fly there from RDU but I think American would do rather well on those routes even if they only operated the service on certain days.
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RE: AA And AE Add And Upgrade RDU

Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:31 am

Quoting Rdukid (Reply 47):
Also, why doesn't AA/AE start service to other Florida destinations from RDU such as MCO and FLL.

Florida is a pretty much low yield locale.. except MIA and JAX as they are more business oriented and can thus bring in a higher price fare. And American Eagle out of RDU is pretty much a business flyer carrier... getting rid of the touristy FLL, NAS, and MCO routes they once had..

Which is why I can see why American Eagle didn't start New Orleans and it would mainly be a leisure route.

SDF and MCI are two other business routes. BHM is business also, but not as large. SAT, I dont know.

But still, American Eagle could have found some better routes that would have given a higher yield... perhaps AA just wants to keep their Eagle base here maintained at a certain level.. who knows..

But I still think that PVD, HPN/ISP, and BUF would have been better. And American Eagle would have been able to hold the monopoly and still charge fares which would have made it profitable..

But I guess someone just needs to flex their muscles for some reason.. beats me!

Anyway, though AS at RDU would be very, very cool... it's also very, very unlikely... in order to get to SEA from the east coast, then RDU is going to have to either push up against DL (perhaps when they start getting the 737-700) or US (which would be less likely since they still have a LOT of markets to connect to LAS and PHX) to see if either would consider it.. the wildcard here would be WN which could open up both SEA and SFO (although, I dont know.. does WN usually accept subsidies?)

But, yeah.. as far as I can tell, there are only a few domesticate destinations left that RDU is looking for:
Providence, Buffalo, San Diego, San Francisco, Seattle, and Manchester...
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RE: AA And AE Add And Upgrade RDU

Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:03 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 36):
You are way too optimistic. At this point, I think it is very possible that XJET won't even start these routes.

I think you are way too negative. Other than AAdvantage, XE has a much better product. XM radios, memory foam seats, full meal service, and pleasant employees. We will have the best product for RDU. Even if... IF, AA beats us on these routes, we will still be able to find markets out of RDU. We have a 50 seat aircraft that is capable of flying longer distances with all pax AND bags than American Eagle's E135/E140.


I also think that passengers in RDU have a stigma against AA. (of course barring all the AAdvantage pax) AA has been able to keep fares pretty high in RDU, even with the WN activity there. A little competition will be good for the market there, and I think XE is serious about a long-term commitment to the research triangle. There is a rumor that our 6th crew base may be RDU, joining SAT, ONT, EWR, IAH and CLE. All of this remains to be seen, of course, but heres hoping!