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"Leaders" Of Airline Alliances

Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:39 am

I was wondering on whether airline alliances have "leaders" or not. I have heard that SkyTeam is led by Delta and Air France, that Star Alliance is led by United and Lufthansa, and that Oneworld is led by American and British Airways. Does anyone know if this is true or not? If this is true, then that probably means that a CO/UA merger would put the new airline in Star Alliance.
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RE: "Leaders" Of Airline Alliances

Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:08 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
If this is true, then that probably means that a CO/UA merger would put the new airline in Star Alliance.

Whether or not it is true, it would only make sense as Skyteam is rather crowded.
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RE: "Leaders" Of Airline Alliances

Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:26 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 1):
Whether or not it is true, it would only make sense as Skyteam is rather crowded.

Um, Star Alliance is even larger. SkyTeam currently has 10 full members, Star has 17 full members. However, SkyTeam has three airlines from the United States (Delta, Continental, and Northwest), while Star has two (United and US Airways).
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RE: "Leaders" Of Airline Alliances

Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:57 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 1):



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 2):

How does the size of the alliance pertain at all to the thread starters question?

UA was the founding member of *A, so it would make sense in that way, but I don't really understand how there could be a leader. There are not "Board meetings" that include all the airlines execs is there?
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RE: "Leaders" Of Airline Alliances

Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:22 am

There aren't leaders, just the largest and original member airlines might appear to be the leaders.
SQ could probably be added to *A with UA and LH
AA, BA, being the biggies for OW but CX and QF are both quite large and now JL is in there which is huge.
ST sure does have a lot of USA airlines in it.
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RE: "Leaders" Of Airline Alliances

Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:34 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 4):
SQ could probably be added to *A with UA and LH

SQ wasn't a founding member of *A but I agree they should be added for their Asian service. Air Canada would be there since it and United were the main North American founders and OneWorlds service to Canada is pretty poor.

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RE: "Leaders" Of Airline Alliances

Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:35 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 2):
Um, Star Alliance is even larger. SkyTeam currently has 10 full members, Star has 17 full members. However, SkyTeam has three airlines from the United States (Delta, Continental, and Northwest), while Star has two (United and US Airways).

I think that's what he meant, is that the United States end of SkyTeam would be kind of crowded. It would be very interesting to see 4 of the big 6 all in the same alliance. You could fly practically anywhere.
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RE: "Leaders" Of Airline Alliances

Fri Feb 16, 2007 5:50 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 4):
There aren't leaders, just the largest and original member airlines might appear to be the leaders.

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Quoting Boston92 (Reply 3):
There are not "Board meetings" that include all the airlines execs is there?

For Star there is the Chief Executive Board (all CEOs) (1 airline, 1 vote) and the Alliance Management Board (again 1 airline, 1 vote). Nobody is considered to be the leader.
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RE: "Leaders" Of Airline Alliances

Fri Feb 16, 2007 5:55 pm

BA for oneworld
DL for skyteam
LH for staralliance

I think its something like that.
 
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RE: "Leaders" Of Airline Alliances

Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:24 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
that Star Alliance is led by United and Lufthansa

SQ and SK (including JK) can be added

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
and that Oneworld is led by American and British Airways

Right

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RE: "Leaders" Of Airline Alliances

Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:14 pm

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 9):
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):and that Oneworld is led by American and British Airways
Right

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Well Geoff Dixon claims QF had the leading role in forming OneWorld in that QF had bi lateral alliances for many years with both BA & AA and it was QF that, in effect, introduced them to each other, that led to formation of OneWorld.

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RE: "Leaders" Of Airline Alliances

Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:19 pm

I think its the media that suggests there are leaders in the Alliances, whereas the airlines themselves would say they all have equal footing bringing many ideas to the table such as culture difference, service etc.
 
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RE: "Leaders" Of Airline Alliances

Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:21 pm

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 10):
Well Geoff Dixon claims QF had the leading role in forming OneWorld in that QF had bi lateral alliances for many years with both BA & AA and it was QF that, in effect, introduced them to each other, that led to formation of OneWorld.

It might be that QF had a leading role in forming the alliance, but as for who is the boss right now, I reckon QF don't have much power..

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RE: "Leaders" Of Airline Alliances

Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:27 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 4):
There aren't leaders, just the largest and original member airlines might appear to be the leaders.
SQ could probably be added to *A with UA and LH



Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 9):
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
that Star Alliance is led by United and Lufthansa

SQ and SK (including JK) can be added

The founding members of *A (AC, UA, LH, SK and TG) could all be considered the leaders as only they possess veto power within the alliance.
As far as picking one leader for *A, I'd have to say LH as they have been the one most active in recruiting airlines etc.

SQ is a great airline but definitely could not be viewed as a leader for the alliance.
JK ... LOL no way.

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RE: "Leaders" Of Airline Alliances

Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:30 pm

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 12):
It might be that QF had a leading role in forming the alliance, but as for who is the boss right now, I reckon QF don't have much power..

Ever heard of the term "balance of power"?

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RE: "Leaders" Of Airline Alliances

Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:43 pm

Quoting InbarD (Reply 8):
BA for oneworld
DL for skyteam
LH for staralliance

I think its something like that.

That´s it just skyteam would be rather AF/KL .

Doubtless is that LH is of *A and BA of 1O.
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RE: "Leaders" Of Airline Alliances

Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:46 pm

Quoting AirbusfanYYZ (Reply 13):
The founding members of *A (AC, UA, LH, SK and TG) could all be considered the leaders as only they possess veto power within the alliance.

Where did you get that from? Must be pure speculation because that's simply not true. Every full member of the alliance has 1 vote, not more not less. There is no such thing as a veto right.
 
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RE: "Leaders" Of Airline Alliances

Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:20 pm

Quoting Semobeila (Reply 16):
Where did you get that from? Must be pure speculation because that's simply not true. Every full member of the alliance has 1 vote, not more not less. There is no such thing as a veto right.

Think of it as the UN security council... everyone has 1 equal vote, but the 5 permanent members have "veto" power.
Similar situation at *A, unless things have changed.

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RE: "Leaders" Of Airline Alliances

Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:32 pm

Quoting AirbusfanYYZ (Reply 13):
JK ... LOL no way.

I meant that SK has even greater power because they own JK.. On their own, JK of course doesn't have much influence..
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RE: "Leaders" Of Airline Alliances

Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:45 am

Quoting Semobeila (Reply 16):
Every full member of the alliance has 1 vote, not more not less.



Quoting Semobeila (Reply 7):
For Star there is the Chief Executive Board (all CEOs) (1 airline, 1 vote) and the Alliance Management Board (again 1 airline, 1 vote). Nobody is considered to be the leader.
This article explains a little what the AMB is: http://www.finnguide.fi/sightguide/a...o=150

even the star alliance regional members OU, JP and KF???
 
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RE: "Leaders" Of Airline Alliances

Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:13 am

Quoting InbarD (Reply 8):
DL for skyteam

make that AF/KL
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RE: "Leaders" Of Airline Alliances

Sat Feb 17, 2007 5:12 pm

Quoting Semobeila (Reply 7):
For Star there is the Chief Executive Board (all CEOs) (1 airline, 1 vote) and the Alliance Management Board (again 1 airline, 1 vote). Nobody is considered to be the leader.

I would say all are leaders, except for the regional members.

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RE: "Leaders" Of Airline Alliances

Sat Feb 17, 2007 9:08 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 21):
I would say all are leaders, except for the regional members.

I'd rather say

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LO has been complaining that LH is blocking LO's longhaul expansion to the destinations that are currently served by LH. (Sorry, the link is in Polish)

I can imagine, that the alliances aren't really "1 airline 1 vote". Surely, the "leaders" get their meat first, justified or not.

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