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American Eagle To Resume 2nd Daily PIA-DFW!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:18 am

American Eagle will resume its second daily Peoria - Dallas/Fort Worth roundtrip flight on April 11. The restored flight will use a 50-seat Embraer 145 regional jet. Below is a link to the article from the local newspaper:

http://www.pjstar.com/stories/021507/TRI_BCCUNOBI.063.php

The writer is pretty sloppy with the facts but good news, nonetheless.

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RE: American Eagle To Resume 2nd Daily PIA-DFW!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:24 am

The Peoria airport has been showing a lot of growth. I was surprised when AA announced PIA-DFW with one daily, but I figuired with all of AA's connections from DFW it could work. Having two flights daily is exciting. AA also flies several times a day PIA-ORD. Allegiant now serves Las Vegas as well as Tampa from PIA. All PIA needs is for UA to introduce Denver now.
 
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RE: American Eagle To Resume 2nd Daily PIA-DFW!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:02 am

Quoting Jaws707 (Reply 1):


All PIA needs is for UA to introduce Denver now.

Or Frontier  Wink

Personally, I'ld think the following could work from PIA as well:

NW to DTW 2/3 times daily CRJ
CO to CLE 2/3 times daily ERJ
DL to CVG 2/3 times daily CRJ
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RE: American Eagle To Resume 2nd Daily PIA-DFW!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:17 am

It looks like MLI is getting a its second DFW flight back.

AA3807 Departs DFW at 3:55pm and arrives MLI at 5:55pm
AA3808 Departs MLI at 6:20pm and arrives DFW at 8:25pm

those flights are served with an ERD.

I wonder what other cities are gaining lost DFW service back.
 
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RE: American Eagle To Resume 2nd Daily PIA-DFW!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:21 am

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 2):
NW to DTW 2/3 times daily CRJ

I believe NW flies to DTW from Bloomington which is only about 35 min away from Peoria driving, so that probably wouldnt happen, but you never know. I never would have expected DFW, and it looks like its a successful route. As crazy as it sounds Frontier might be able to make this route work someday if UA doesnt get it. I mean AirTran flies Atlanta to Bloomington, which wouldnt be much different then Frontier Denver to Peoria. I'm sure they could fill up a daily A318 if the connections going west from Denver were right.
 
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RE: American Eagle To Resume 2nd Daily PIA-DFW!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:27 am

When the PIA-DFW started it was tiwce a day and since that time there have been, if I remember correctly, on and off periods of where it was tiwce a day only to fall back to once a day and so it goes.

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 2):
Personally, I'ld think the following could work from PIA as well:

NW to DTW 2/3 times daily CRJ
CO to CLE 2/3 times daily ERJ
DL to CVG 2/3 times daily CRJ

I second that motion and to which I might add UA PIA-IAD 2 times a day.

I was so sorry to hear that SPI is getting the IAD flight and not PIA.
 
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RE: American Eagle To Resume 2nd Daily PIA-DFW!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:54 am

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 2):
NW to DTW 2/3 times daily CRJ

It would even be nice to see NW upgrade the saabs to CRJ's on the PIA-MSP flights.

back to AA, they seem to be really busy with expansion again, will be interesting to see what they announce next
 
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Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:19 pm

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 6):


It would even be nice to see NW upgrade the saabs to CRJ's on the PIA-MSP flights.

Agreed. I may be wrong, but I think PIA saw more seats per day in the 70's when Ozark was the sole carrier there than they do now.
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RE: American Eagle To Resume 2nd Daily PIA-DFW!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:34 pm

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 7):
Agreed. I may be wrong, but I think PIA saw more seats per day in the 70's when Ozark was the sole carrier there than they do now.

Likewise for the DC and NYC areas.
 
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RE: American Eagle To Resume 2nd Daily PIA-DFW!

Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:45 pm

Quoting Mli717fan (Reply 3):
I wonder what other cities are gaining lost DFW service back.

FWA got a flight back. However GRB, RST, and TOL haven't gotten DFW service back yet. I don't expect TOL-DFW back any time soon.
 
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RE: American Eagle To Resume 2nd Daily PIA-DFW!

Sat Feb 17, 2007 12:21 am

Good they needed that:

I think LFs on the one daily flight were running about 80% plus. Having lost STL and DEN service over the past few years, PIA lost decent connections to the west.....I think NW should upgrade the SF3s to MSP to CRJs....

if MLI is getting their 2nd DFW flight back looks like AMR has gottne over their temper tantrum when midwest cities refused to go along with keeping the Wright Amendment and retialated by cutting flights.

MLI is very well served, not sure what their to priority should be maybe PHX with CRJ-700/900

For PIA this past summer airport wide load factors were 85% for July and Aug meanign there were probably losts of people who wanted to FLYPIA but couldnt.

Thier top priority should be:

1. MSP-PIA updrade to CRJ
2. PIA-DEN on somebody (UA or F9)
3. PIA-DTW 2x daily on CRJ (but NW seems to be treating PIA and BMI as one market with MSP from PIA and DTW from BMI)
4. Not sure that CVG or CLE would work given very small local markets.

When does SPI-IAD start? SPI doesnt have a good record of retaining airservice except to STL and ORD.
 
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RE: American Eagle To Resume 2nd Daily PIA-DFW!

Sat Feb 17, 2007 12:24 am

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 7):
Agreed. I may be wrong, but I think PIA saw more seats per day in the 70's when Ozark was the sole carrier there than they do now.

I had a summer 1980 OZtimetable and PIA was OZ's 3rd busiest station with nonstops to ORD, STL, MSP, IND, DCA, LGA, DEN, MLI, SPI, CMI, ALO, CID, RST, DTW..I think OZ flew DSM-PIA-ATL back in 1978.

I remember in 1977-78 when both NW and OZ filed withh the CAB for PIA-ATL. OZ was DSM-PIA-ATL, NW was MSP-PIA-ATL-MIA...OZ won.
 
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RE: American Eagle To Resume 2nd Daily PIA-DFW!

Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:24 am

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 10):


4. Not sure that CVG or CLE would work given very small local markets.

It's the connecting possibilities that would make those flights work (or not). Who, for instance, is flying those 5 daily LEX-CVG flights? Local travellers or connecting ones?
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RE: American Eagle To Resume 2nd Daily PIA-DFW!

Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:48 am

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 7):
I may be wrong, but I think PIA saw more seats per day in the 70's when Ozark was the sole carrier there than they do now.

It's probably impossible to tell for sure, OzarkD9S, because so many of those OZ flights were operating multi-stop routes and so not all seats in a 78-seat or 98-seat DC-9-10 and DC-9-30, respectively, or a 47-seat Fairchild-Hiller FH-227 were available for pax boarding/deplaning at PIA.
 
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RE: American Eagle To Resume 2nd Daily PIA-DFW!

Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:53 am

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 10):
NW seems to be treating PIA and BMI as one market with MSP from PIA and DTW from BMI)

I think at one time Mesaba flew DTW-BMI-PIA-MSP and v v, so PIA and BMI had flights to both hubs.
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RE: American Eagle To Resume 2nd Daily PIA-DFW!

Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:59 am

I doubt PIA-CVG will happen because DL recently downsized that hub by 26% and placing more emphasis on ATL. MLI and CMI once had service to the CVG hub but then service was shifted to ATL (and CMI eventually lost the service altogether).

If CO wanted to enter (or "re-enter") the PIA market, perhaps CLE would be a good start. I hear of plans for CO hub expansion there. Certainly, two or three ERJ's a day to that hub could draw some connecting traffic to/from the northeast and mid-Atlantic regions (and with competitive fares, really to/from everywhere). I suspect this won't happen because of CO/DL/NW code-sharing and the fact that such service out of PIA would probably hurt NW's BMI-DTW service.

The Greater Peoria Regional Airport has yet to announce their decision on terminal renovation or building a new terminal, with the latter now said to be the favored. A new terminal would be built west of the existing building.

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RE: American Eagle To Resume 2nd Daily PIA-DFW!

Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:59 am

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 13):


It's probably impossible to tell for sure, OzarkD9S, because so many of those OZ flights were operating multi-stop routes and so not all seats in a 78-seat or 98-seat DC-9-10 and DC-9-30, respectively, or a 47-seat Fairchild-Hiller FH-227 were available for pax boarding/deplaning at PIA.

A very good point. Having grown up near Peoria, and a mother who worked in OZ reservations at PIA I was able to sample many of those puddle jumpers! Having non-revved countless times out of there in the 70's and early 80's the biggest concern however was getting on the plane in PIA, once you did you were generally home-free regardless of the intermediate stops. Which leads me to believe (and this is purely speculative) that PIA was a healthy market, has grown some since then and could support a few additional hub-flights not currently served.
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RE: American Eagle To Resume 2nd Daily PIA-DFW!

Sat Feb 17, 2007 3:10 am

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 16):
Having grown up near Peoria, and a mother who worked in OZ reservations at PIA I was able to sample many of those puddle jumpers! Having non-revved countless times out of there in the 70's and early 80's the biggest concern however was getting on the plane in PIA, once you did you were generally home-free regardless of the intermediate stops. Which leads me to believe (and this is purely speculative) that PIA was a healthy market, has grown some since then and could support a few additional hub-flights not currently served.

Metro Peoria lost thousands of blue collar jobs from the late 1970's to about the mid-1980's and the area population declined from about 365,000 to about 339,000 between 1980 and 1990. It has since risen back up to 346,000 or so and two new counties were added to the official Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) in 2003 so the actual pop. is said to be roughly 370,000. The five major central Illinois metro areas amount to over 1 million residents alone so all trend to compete for pax. Peoria is by far the biggest metro area of the five and has a pretty affluent population with a large medical and white collar workforce (blue collar is still significant).

PIA's record of 550,000 pax in 1978 has never been broken. We came within 30,000 of that number in 2005 and our airport director expects we'll beat that in 2007. I hope so.
 
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RE: American Eagle To Resume 2nd Daily PIA-DFW!

Sat Feb 17, 2007 3:17 am

Did Eagle take delivery of more aircraft b/c they're expanding?

Beefed up RDU, CVG, MLI and PIA
 
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RE: American Eagle To Resume 2nd Daily PIA-DFW!

Sat Feb 17, 2007 3:24 am

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 15):
I doubt PIA-CVG will happen because DL recently downsized that hub by 26% and placing more emphasis on ATL. MLI and CMI once had service to the CVG hub but then service was shifted to ATL (and CMI eventually lost the service altogether).

I remember when MLI was only a CVG station, it made for more convenient connection times, and the CVG staff gave me excellent customer service. That said, it was also kind of a pain, because there were limited connection opportunities. I remember having to fly a friend into Peoria, (an hour and a half drive) from Moline because our CVG service really didn't provide the connections he needed.

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 15):
The Greater Peoria Regional Airport has yet to announce their decision on terminal renovation or building a new terminal, with the latter now said to be the favored. A new terminal would be built west of the existing building.

I'm glad to hear they are talking about doing something down there. In the area, BMI, MLI and CID all have much newer airport facilities. PIA was well maintained and clean, but I would imagine it gets VERY congested on busy days.
 
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RE: American Eagle To Resume 2nd Daily PIA-DFW!

Sat Feb 17, 2007 4:32 am

Quoting Mli717fan (Reply 19):
I'm glad to hear they are talking about doing something down there. In the area, BMI, MLI and CID all have much newer airport facilities. PIA was well maintained and clean, but I would imagine it gets VERY congested on busy days.

Yeah, during peak periods it can get quite crowded inside the ticketing and baggage screening areas. In fact, since they had to install baggage screening stations, there's even less space for the crowds. Now they're busy moving the ticket counters out and the screening equipment back behind them. I think all of this is helping to drive the need for a new or renovated terminal.

I think BMI's new (well five years old now) terminal, MLI's renovated 1985 terminal and new (2000-2001) concourse, CID's terminal (opened in 1986?), CMI's 1989 terminal and even SPI's terminal make PIA's look pretty pathetic.
 
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RE: American Eagle To Resume 2nd Daily PIA-DFW!

Sat Feb 17, 2007 4:44 am

without an act of congress or BOS closing, I fear PVD will not make the list of "airports that got their DFW service back."

good news for PIA, FWA, and MLI though.
 
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RE: American Eagle To Resume 2nd Daily PIA-DFW!

Sat Feb 17, 2007 4:48 am

Quoting Mli717fan (Reply 3):
It looks like MLI is getting a its second DFW flight back.

AA3807 Departs DFW at 3:55pm and arrives MLI at 5:55pm
AA3808 Departs MLI at 6:20pm and arrives DFW at 8:25pm

those flights are served with an ERD.

I wonder what other cities are gaining lost DFW service back.

That's great to hear! I hope they can get the loads to support both flights. CID has 5 daily to DFW, so I would think it wouldn't be too difficult. I know the only reason that OH left MLI is because they were trying to put pressure on FL. This was also their reasoning for having a summer flight to MCO. Now that the ERJ-170s are gone  Sad flights are increasing to 5 a day to ATL. I was told by one of my former co-workers at OH that DL is trying to make MLI a mini focus city for DL Connection, and right now they are experimenting with what works and what doesn't. Hopefully the traffic keeps up overall, so we can up 1 million passengers next year. We had 911,000 in '06, so hopefully we'll top that again this year.
 
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Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:25 am

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 20):
CID's terminal (opened in 1986?),

That is correct, and the C concourse was expanded in 1997, adding 2 jet bridge gates (for a total of 6) and creating a large picture windown at the end to view landings and takeoffs.. There is also another expansion to begin soon to espand the B consourse (which is the lower level concourse)
 
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RE: American Eagle To Resume 2nd Daily PIA-DFW!

Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:39 am

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 15):
The Greater Peoria Regional Airport has yet to announce their decision on terminal renovation or building a new terminal, with the latter now said to be the favored. A new terminal would be built west of the existing building

Out of curiosity does anyone know where the funds would come from for a new terminal building? I agree that a new terminal buidling has been badly, badly, badly needed for a long time now. I cant imagine what the lsecurity lines must be like early in the mrornign when so many flights leave PIA. I always fly out later in the day when there is less traffic.

Back to the funding issue, seems that in PIA there has been a lot of controversy, for some time now, about funding and spending for other civic projects, hotel at civic center, new library and none of it has been resloved. There is a mindset back there that is quite slo w to accept change. I dont know the ins and out of funding the airport but, based on other things, feel that this is something that will be, sadly, quite slow in coming.
 
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RE: American Eagle To Resume 2nd Daily PIA-DFW!

Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:52 am

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 22):
I know the only reason that OH left MLI is because they were trying to put pressure on FL. This was also their reasoning for having a summer flight to MCO. Now that the ERJ-170s are gone Sad flights are increasing to 5 a day to ATL. I was told by one of my former co-workers at OH that DL is trying to make MLI a mini focus city for DL Connection, and right now they are experimenting with what works and what doesn't.

That would be a cool thing do see, but I hope it doesn't come at the expense of FL service. I noticed the schedule is now down to 2x ATL per day and 4x MCO per week. (We used to have 3x ATL per day). I'm a little nervous what will happen to fares at MLI if we were to lose FL.

I miss OH, I've had my best experience on them. I was flying JAX-CVG-MLI and my plane was 4 hours late getting to JAX. When I boarded, I was sure I missed my connection. When we landed, I got off the plane and there was an OH lady standing there asking who was going to MLI. I told her I was, she told me to follow her right now, and ran with me down the concourse (if you can call it that in the commuter terminal in CVG) and to my connecting gate. I was the last person on board, and the FAs were just about to do the safety demo. I wrote a letter to Delta about how trilled I was that they made sure I didn't miss my connection. Especially since the flight was oversold, they could have easily given my seat to someone else, and left me to wait for the next flight, 4 hours later.

Edit: Wording was bad.

[Edited 2007-02-17 00:05:37]
 
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RE: American Eagle To Resume 2nd Daily PIA-DFW!

Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:22 am

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 18):
Did Eagle take delivery of more aircraft b/c they're expanding?

No Eagle last aircraft was in 2005 it was a EMB-145 a/c number 942. Routes are added by taking from some places or if mainline goes in it can drop some eagle aircraft. But the main reason is higher aircraft usage. 25 min turns results in more time in the air.
 
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RE: American Eagle To Resume 2nd Daily PIA-DFW!

Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:24 am

Quoting Mli717fan (Reply 25):
That would be a cool thing do see, but I hope it doesn't come at the expense of FL service. I noticed the schedule is now down to 2x ATL per day and 4x MCO per week. (We used to have 3x ATL per day). I'm a little nervous what will happen to fares at MLI if we were to lose FL.

Unfortunately I think FL's days in both MLI and BMI are numbered....I think FL might want to redeploy those planes. I think ATL-RFD and ATL-GRR might work well. RFD seems to do well with LCCs
 
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Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:39 am

Quoting Mli717fan (Reply 25):
I miss OH, I've had my best experience on them. I was flying JAX-CVG-MLI and my plane was 4 hours late getting to JAX. When I boarded, I was sure I missed my connection. When we landed, I got off the plane and there was an OH lady standing there asking who was going to MLI. I told her I was, she told me to follow her right now, and ran with me down the concourse (if you can call it that in the commuter terminal in CVG) and to my connecting gate. I was the last person on board, and the FAs were just about to do the safety demo. I wrote a letter to Delta about how trilled I was that they made sure I didn't miss my connection. Especially since the flight was oversold, they could have easily given my seat to someone else, and left me to wait for the next flight, 4 hours later.

It's ironic that you say that, because the exact same thing happened to me in SDF when I was 16. They held the plane for me until I got on so I could catch my flight back to MLI. I would hate to see FL go, however. I think they are a great airline, and I don't want to see them leave. Aside from that, it would probably hike up fares quite a bit out of MLI unless Bruce Carter could convince another LCC in here in FL's place. We'll see how things work out, though.
 
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RE: American Eagle To Resume 2nd Daily PIA-DFW!

Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:48 am

Quoting IADLHR (Reply 24):
Out of curiosity does anyone know where the funds would come from for a new terminal building? I agree that a new terminal buidling has been badly, badly, badly needed for a long time now. I cant imagine what the lsecurity lines must be like early in the mrornign when so many flights leave PIA. I always fly out later in the day when there is less traffic.

Probably federal grants.

Quoting IADLHR (Reply 24):
Back to the funding issue, seems that in PIA there has been a lot of controversy, for some time now, about funding and spending for other civic projects, hotel at civic center, new library and none of it has been resloved. There is a mindset back there that is quite slo w to accept change. I dont know the ins and out of funding the airport but, based on other things, feel that this is something that will be, sadly, quite slow in coming.

Opposition has really nothing to do with slowness to accept change. The City's eyes have long been bigger than the taxpayers' wallets and they can't seem to discern between "wants" and "needs." The City puts out the red carpet for developers, "quality-of-life" boondoggles and hi-tech, but seemingly no one else. Transportation is little understood, though the politicians talk like it's so important.

I don't think the airport will have a problem getting federal funding for expansion projects. Our local congressman is very good at getting federal funds for projects.
 
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Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:52 am

THe real thing PIA has going against it is horrible School Dist 150
 
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RE: American Eagle To Resume 2nd Daily PIA-DFW!

Sat Feb 17, 2007 10:06 am

I hope PIA can get a new or heavily renovated terminal and concourse. Looking at other airports of the size, I consider myself lucky that MLI is as nice and large as it is.

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 29):
I don't think the airport will have a problem getting federal funding for expansion projects. Our local congressman is very good at getting federal funds for projects.

(Not trying to ignite a political firestorm, but) You've got that right, theres been comments around here about how LaHood adopted parts of our district because of the lack of help from our own congressman. That I-74 project is quite an undertaking, and something we can only dream of up here. Peoria is a forward looking city, with a lot of civic pride. I'm sure a good plan will get approval from all parties involved.

Is the airport building (terminal/concourse) close to or at capacity ? If that is the case they are going to need to do something before they lose more customers to other central IL airports. At least it sounds like they are working on getting the ball rolling...

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Sat Feb 17, 2007 10:27 am

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 27):
Unfortunately I think FL's days in both MLI and BMI are numbered....I think FL might want to redeploy those planes. I think ATL-RFD and ATL-GRR might work well. RFD seems to do well with LCCs

Not do doubt you, but RFD has had a lot of trouble holding carriers the last few years, while FL has been in both BMI and MLI for almost a decade. Airtran has a lot of new 737s coming online, and I think they can have service at MLI, BMI, MDW and RFD. People from MLI and BMI aren't going to drive to Rockford to fly AirTran, and similarly, people from RFD ARE going to drive to ORD or MDW if the fare is cheaper. Especially since AirTran currently has few (if any)loyal RFD customers. Airtran at MLI draws loyal customers from eastern Iowa and extreme northwestern Illinois. Airtan at BMI draws customers from all over central Illinois.

While it would be sad to see FL ditch MLI, I believe that if you don't use it, you lose it. If we are smart enough to use the airline that has brought so much to our airport, that is our own stupidity.

I was a loyal DL flier until they changed their service in an attempt to drive FL out of town. I even went business class on my last FL trip.
 
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RE: American Eagle To Resume 2nd Daily PIA-DFW!

Sat Feb 17, 2007 10:43 am

Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 31):
I hope PIA can get a new or heavily renovated terminal and concourse. Looking at other airports of the size, I consider myself lucky that MLI is

Having visited a few times, I can say that MLI has a world-class facility. Having that "big-city airport" look with the concourse is certainly asthetically-pleasing.

Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 31):
(Not trying to ignite a political firestorm, but) You've got that right, theres been comments around here about how LaHood adopted parts of our district because of the lack of help from our own congressman. That I-74 project is quite an undertaking, and something we can only dream of up here. Peoria is a forward looking city, with a lot of civic pride. I'm sure a good plan will get approval from all parties involved.

Well, admittedly I've voted for LaHood each time he has run though I'm not always happy with what he does (locally, mainly) but he has good relationships with fellow congressman of both parties and even the president himself (who visited just recently). In a lot of ways, it's good that he can get those funds for local projects, especially transportation-related. I think he served on the House Transportation Subcommittee at some point in his career.

I-74 now makes Peoria look like a "big city" with the futuristic high-speed ramps, wider lanes, flyovers and street bridges. I understand there is a plan to build a new bridge over the Mississippi R. between Moline and Bettendorf.

Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 31):
Is the airport building (terminal/concourse) close to or at capacity ? If that is the case they are going to need to do something before they lose more customers to other central IL airports. At least it sounds like they are working on getting the ball rolling...

Well, we have eight gates, though only six are in use. NW uses gate 8 on the west end of the concourse, G4 uses Gate 7, UA uses Gate 6, AA uses Gates 5 and 3 (Gate 4 in between may be placed too tightly for anything but a small turboprop if 3 and 5 are in use), DL uses Gate 2. Gate 1 seems to be for other purposes and is on the east end of the concourse (probably for use by small turboprops). Gates 7, 6, 5, 3 and 2 are jetway-equipped. With the restoration of the 2nd daily DFW flight, all six of those gates will be occupied by RON aircraft.

A new terminal is probably needed regardless of congestion, crowding and lost pax due to more asthetically-pleasing facilities such as at BMI and MLI because it was completed in 1959, nearly 50 years ago. The main building was expanded considerably in 1968-1970. The concourse was built in 1970 and extended twice, in 1997-1998 and again in 2001. A second baggage carousel (first in 1970) was installed about 2002. Baggage claim is in the basement but every other small-hub facility in Illinois has them on the same level. Terminal renovation/new terminal at PIA would give us the same.

I doubt too many pax are turned away by the age of the facility since their use is primarily economic (lowest fares, convenience) . LCC service by Allegiant Air proves that. It would not surprise me if PIA became the dominant airport in central Illinois again, permanently. Bloomington-Normal has a lot going for it (location) but benefits most when neighboring facilities suffer from poor service. I don't put PIA in that poor service category anymore, though there is considerable room for improvement. There have been some changes in the region since BMI's service and PAX soared in the late 1990's and early 2000's. That's why BMI sees service to just three hubs and one leisure destination. They failed to obtain service to a western hub with SCASD money. If pressure from DL could drive FL out of BMI that would benefit PIA initially but might make it overconfident and service might stagnate like it did for most of the 1990's.

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I was more talking about the firestorm of me talking bad about our former local congressman (Evans). LaHood has enjoyed great support from his district and in turn has helped his district out a lot.

We have a concept plan for a new I-74, complete with a 6-8 lane (depending on plan) bridge spanning the Mississippi. http://www.i74corridorstudy.org/ I hope it goes forward, and I'd imagine that part of the holdup has been the fact that there are two states involved. With new representation on both sides of the river, maybe we can get something done there.

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 33):
That's why BMI sees service to just three hubs and one leisure destination. They failed to obtain service to a western hub with SCASD money.

Wow, you are totally right.. I knew the AirTran was a valuable player at BMI. I didn't realize how much the rest of their service is lacking. If FL left down, that would be a huge blow to them. That said, Peoria has done a very good job being competitive in recent years, and I think FL leaving town would most likely send a lot of customers up I-74 to Peoria.

Is American the dominant carrier at PIA, or is it Allegiant or United? Has American seriously considered adding service like PIA - MIA, PIA - LAX or PIA - East Coast? I'd imagine any of those have the potential of being profitable. Especially since there aren't any downstate airports in IL that have service to those areas. (Besides potentially SPI - IAD).

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Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:42 am

I always thought it would be an interesting idea of they built an airport about half way from Peoria to Bloomington and closed the two current airports. It would only be about a 20 min drive to either Peoria or Bloomington and it would be right off of I-74. I think most people would be willing to drive 20 min and then their would be one main, fairly large airport. That way you would have Allegiant, AirTran, United, American, Delta, Northwest all in one facility and it would be easier to attract future airlines.
 
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Sat Feb 17, 2007 12:42 pm

Quoting Jaws707 (Reply 35):


I always thought it would be an interesting idea of they built an airport about half way from Peoria to Bloomington and closed the two current airports. It would only be about a 20 min drive to either Peoria or Bloomington and it would be right off of I-74. I think most people would be willing to drive 20 min and then their would be one main, fairly large airport. That way you would have Allegiant, AirTran, United, American, Delta, Northwest all in one facility and it would be easier to attract future airlines.

They've tossed that idea around as well as a downstate Illinois "Super Airport" in the middle of the Peoria, Bloomington/Normal, Springfield, Champaign/Urbana triangle, roughly near Lincoln Illinois but of course nothing came of that. But the Peoria/Bloomington/Normal idea is fairly sound, but naturally is too forward thinking to come about in our lifetime.
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Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 36):
They've tossed that idea around as well as a downstate Illinois "Super Airport" in the middle of the Peoria, Bloomington/Normal, Springfield, Champaign/Urbana triangle, roughly near Lincoln Illinois

Yeah I've heard that idea before. The reason I believe that one is flawed is because everyone would have a rather long drive to the airport. Its just too big of an area to serve with only 1 airport. The Peoria/Bloomington one with 20 min drives would still be really easy on the commute to get to the airport.
 
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Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:02 pm

Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 34):
Is American the dominant carrier at PIA, or is it Allegiant or United? Has American seriously considered adding service like PIA - MIA, PIA - LAX or PIA - East Coast?

At one time, not that long ago, AA was the big boy in town. They had numerous flights PIA-STL and of course ORD.
While the ORD flights are still operating, all the STL flights are gone with the downsizing of AA@STL. Now I dont know who the largest player in PIA is.

Also when AA had the hub at BNA, AA had a couple of flights a day PIA-BNA, As best as I can remember, no ohter central Illinois city had BNA service.

I do know, from someone who works in PIA, that a few years ago they had discussions with AA about startiing PIA-DC. I prseume it was DCA but it could have been IAD However, as we know nothing came of it.. I just know the push was on, and still is, for PIA-DC
 
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Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:26 pm

Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 31):
I hope PIA can get a new or heavily renovated terminal and concourse

PIA.I might add, is the only airport I have seen where one can not buy food beyond security. They only offer vending machines and sometimes, I have found, that they dont work or are out of things.

If there is a lastt minute weather or mx delay and one wants to eat like a sandwich etc, they have to leave the sterile area and reenter through security again. That is a drag let me tell you.
 
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Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:27 pm

I know there's still a big push for more service out of the Quad Cities. Bruce Carter really wants service to LAS, PHX, NYC, and DCA (I think, maybe IAD). It was a big blow losing the FL service to LAS, but I'm hoping that we get service to destinations not served by airports in the region like PHX, NYC, or DCA.
 
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Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:32 pm

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 40):
I know there's still a big push for more service out of the Quad Cities. Bruce Carter really wants service to LAS, PHX,

Bruce Carter, used to be in PIA. If I remember correctly he left PIA when he got passed over for the top job in PIA a number of years ago.

As for PHX, I wonder if there is also a market for PIA-PHX. It just seems that everytime I fly into or out of PIA I meet people who are coming or going to PHX. Perhaps it is just coincidence, but still I wonder if there is a market for PIA-PHX.
 
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Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:47 pm

Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 34):
I was more talking about the firestorm of me talking bad about our former local congressman (Evans). LaHood has enjoyed great support from his district and in turn has helped his district out a lot.

Evans did have health problems for some time before he decided to retire last year.

Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 34):
Is American the dominant carrier at PIA, or is it Allegiant or United? Has American seriously considered adding service like PIA - MIA, PIA - LAX or PIA - East Coast? I'd imagine any of those have the potential of being profitable. Especially since there aren't any downstate airports in IL that have service to those areas. (Besides potentially SPI - IAD).

AA probably handles the most pax at PIA since they also have the most flights (six, soon seven). I doubt PIA will ever see MIA service though. I think I've read on this forum a few weeks/months ago that our airport tried to convince AA to begin LGA service but the plan died after 9-11.

I would love to have seen AccessAir succeed, but they made too many mistakes and their coast-to-cost route network compounded flight delays. Personally, service to major hubs seems to work best for PIA, especially when they hubs themselves are destinations for local travelers. That's why it would be great to have DEN service again. Peoria-based Caterpillar has a regional distribution center there, and some locals spend some time at the ski resorts in winter.

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Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:51 pm

Quoting IADLHR (Reply 38):
Also when AA had the hub at BNA, AA had a couple of flights a day PIA-BNA, As best as I can remember, no ohter central Illinois city had BNA service.

BMI had the Nashville service around the same time frame (1991-1995) as PIA. I can't remember if CMI had it as well. They might have.

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Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:57 pm

Quoting IADLHR (Reply 41):
Bruce Carter, used to be in PIA. If I remember correctly he left PIA when he got passed over for the top job in PIA a number of years ago.

Carter was Airport Director 1994-1998 before he went to MLI. Before PIA, he was SPI's director.

Quoting IADLHR (Reply 41):
As for PHX, I wonder if there is also a market for PIA-PHX. It just seems that everytime I fly into or out of PIA I meet people who are coming or going to PHX. Perhaps it is just coincidence, but still I wonder if there is a market for PIA-PHX.

Peoria airport officials have long tried for PHX service. I know Bruce Carter has stated publicly he's trying to get HP (now US) to come to MLI. Maybe both cities are possible? Perhaps PIA has a better shot since it doesn't have DEN service? Caterpillar has a proving grounds near Tucson so there's a little O/D between PIA and Arizona. Many local residents have retired to Arizona as well and still have family ties here.
 
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Sat Feb 17, 2007 4:58 pm

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 42):

Evans did have health problems for some time before he decided to retire last year.


He did have health problems, and I still have a lot of respect for him. However, LaHood has been more successful at brining congressional dollars to his district.

For US/HP I don't think it makes any sense that they DON'T serve any markets outside of Chicago in Illinois. MLI had almost a million pax last year. PIA and BMI aren't that small either. I think they could probably send a few CRJs around Illinois. If they want to be a major carrier, why are they missing out here.

I also think Peoria could easily support at least one DEN flight a day. I mean not too long ago MLI had 1x DEN per day, now we are at 3x per day. We even see some CR7s mixed in there. There is obviously demand for downstate IL to DEN.
 
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Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:24 am

Quoting Mli717fan (Reply 45):
He did have health problems, and I still have a lot of respect for him. However, LaHood has been more successful at brining congressional dollars to his district.

Maybe Phil Hare will be able to do so after learning the ropes?

Quoting Mli717fan (Reply 45):
or US/HP I don't think it makes any sense that they DON'T serve any markets outside of Chicago in Illinois. MLI had almost a million pax last year. PIA and BMI aren't that small either. I think they could probably send a few CRJs around Illinois. If they want to be a major carrier, why are they missing out here.

PIA officials courted HP in 1988 after losing NW mainline service to DTW and MSP but nothing came of it. I think the Central Illinois Regional Airport study that was completed that year found that PHX was the third most populat destination for Peoria area travelers at the time. When the HP-US merger settles down, maybe we'll see CID, MLI, PIA or BMI added as destinations from PHX.

Quoting Mli717fan (Reply 45):
I also think Peoria could easily support at least one DEN flight a day. I mean not too long ago MLI had 1x DEN per day, now we are at 3x per day. We even see some CR7s mixed in there. There is obviously demand for downstate IL to DEN.

You'd think. UA has 2 daily MLI-DEN roundtrips for years (many of 'em with larger BAe-146's though) so if they can support 3, PIA could do at least one.
 
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Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:27 am

If FL left BMI (i pray they dont), I think youll see Alliegiant re-introduce PIA-SFB...The area couldnt support an M80 and 717 to Orlando area, so Alligiant swtiched SFB to PIE.


PIA was the first city in Central Illinois to get BNA service via SF3s in 1991. But by 1992-93, I think AA flew J31s to SPI and CMI. Also I think BNA-MLI or RFD on SF#s was given a try but it didnt last long. AA also use to fly F100s in to PIA from ORD in 1991-92. Around 1999 or so NW flew SPI-MEM. Comair also tried SPI-CVG back with Brasilisa like in the early 1990s. Skyway use to fly PIA-DTW in 1990-92.


The DEN-MLI service at 3x per day has been extremely successful, with loads over 80%.

the area regional airport was studied in 1990. It was ot be built in Lincoln, IL with PIA, BMI, SPI, DEC closing down.
 
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Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:39 am

BTW I remember seeing in PIA around 230pm in the afternoon in the early 1980s a TWA 727-100/200, a CO 727-200 and an OZ DC-9 all on the groiund at the same time.

In 1981, TW actually flew ORD-PIA 2x daily with 727-100s continuing on to DCA and LGA. The PATCO strike killed that service and it lasted only 2 months. In Summer 1983. CO flew two PIA-OMA-DENs and one PIA-IND-IAH with the flight going on to Mexico. I flew a Texas International DC-9-30 from PIA to OMA in 1983, it must have been a sub, the flight was 100% full, the return flight 2 days later was on a 727-200.

UA came to PIA in 1984 and flew different combinations. DEN-PIA-MLI, DEN-PIA-FWA, DEN-PIA-SBN, DEN-PIA-TOL, DEN-STL-PIA mostly with 727-100s but also 737-200s and later 737-300s.

NWA filed with the CAB to fly MSP-PIA-ATL-MIA but lost the case to OZ who flew DSM-PIA-ATL.


In the terminal there are pictures of PIA circa 1970, you can tell it is PIA ,as the checkboard floor is still the same....in the background there is a TWA sign, but I know for a fact TWA didnt serve PIA from 1959-81. Anyone know why there is a TWA sign there?

CO began service to PIA in 2/1977 on a LAX-MCI-PIA-ORD routing with 727-200s.
 
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Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:01 am

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 47):
If FL left BMI (i pray they dont), I think youll see Alliegiant re-introduce PIA-SFB...The area couldnt support an M80 and 717 to Orlando area, so Alligiant swtiched SFB to PIE.

I think DL could best serve the Central Illinois market not by going head to head against FL at BMI but by serving both PIA and CMI from ATL.

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 47):
PIA was the first city in Central Illinois to get BNA service via SF3s in 1991. But by 1992-93, I think AA flew J31s to SPI and CMI. Also I think BNA-MLI or RFD on SF#s was given a try but it didnt last long. AA also use to fly F100s in to PIA from ORD in 1991-92. Around 1999 or so NW flew SPI-MEM. Comair also tried SPI-CVG back with Brasilisa like in the early 1990s. Skyway use to fly PIA-DTW in 1990-92.

AA began PIA-BNA in May 1991 and eventually added BMI, CMI and SPI service (and MLI and RFD had it as well, IIRC). AA's cut backs at BNA ended the service by mid-1995. AA's Fokker 100 "commuter" service from ORD to PIA and SPI operated December 1991 to January 1994. NW's SPI-MEM route was more recently than 1999; I think it was 2001 to 2003. Skyway's PIA service from DTW lasted 1990 to 1994.

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 47):
the area regional airport was studied in 1990. It was ot be built in Lincoln, IL with PIA, BMI, SPI, DEC closing down

Actually, the study was conducted in 1987-1988 and concluded that CMI and PIA should develop service to the west and east, respectively - sort of an endorsement of a "two regional airport" concept. Not much happened and service continued to decline in the region.

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