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TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:51 am

Today TAM received its second MD-11, currently parked in GRU and will start full service next week. TAM now runs 3 daily flights to CDG.

Another MD-11 is expected for delivery in March/07. TAM's MD-11 are an interim solution until the B77W are received in 2008.

Yesterday TAM also received an additional A319 (XFW-SID-MCP) , which therefore increased TAM total fleet to 100 planes a milestone in TAM expansion drive.

TAM fleet composition:

10 x A332
2 x MD-11
52 x A320
15 x A319
21 x F100

TAM is expected to end 2007 with at least 110 planes.

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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:30 am

A nice fleet variety. It's rare to see a carrier operate a variety of mainline aircraft from three different manufacturers that does not include Boeing. Too bad it will be short lived. Nothing against Boeing, but I love MD-11's.
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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Sat Feb 17, 2007 3:06 am

Will they replace the Fokkers?
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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Sat Feb 17, 2007 3:14 am

Congrats to TAM, they have done a very good job.

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 2):
Will they replace the Fokkers?

Yes, with A319s. Not a direct replacement because they need the extra capacity.
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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Sat Feb 17, 2007 3:15 am

Actually it's great to see any airlines still picking up MD-11s to use in service in this day and age.
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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Sat Feb 17, 2007 4:21 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 2):
Will they replace the Fokkers?

Either that or retrofit their cabins, I would hope. I flew one between CGH and FLN and it all looked rather shabby inside and in stark contrast to JJ's new A319s.
 
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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:16 am

They've also had bad luck with their Fokkers. Not the greatest safety record.

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 4):
Actually it's great to see any airlines still picking up MD-11s to use in service in this day and age.

I agree, but it will probably be the last time we see a new pax operator of the MD-11. Too bad all of them were converted straight to freight when the airlines retired them.
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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:46 am

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 1):
Nothing against Boeing, but I love MD-11's.

I am sure Boeing doesn't mind, Boeing provided them, right? A stop-gap until the 777s arrive.

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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:10 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 2):
Will they replace the Fokkers?

As mentioned before, TAM will replace all F-100s with A319s until 2010.

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 7):

I am sure Boeing doesn't mind, Boeing provided them, right? A stop-gap until the 777s arrive.

Correct, the MD-11s were part of the deal with Boeign regarding the acquisition of B77Ws - it also meant now Boeing has as its customer the biggest airline in Latin America.

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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:34 am

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 1):
Nothing against Boeing, but I love MD-11's.

Technically, the MD-11 is a Boeing product since Douglas merged with them.  Wink I hope there will be pictures of the second JJ MD-11 soon.

BTW: Does anyone know what customer code JJ is getting at Boeing?
 
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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:19 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 9):
the MD-11 is a Boeing product since Douglas merged with them.

Yes, as has been mentioned on this thread time and time again, Boeing ITSELF is providing JJ with the 3 M11's until it can deliver the 4 777-300ER's in 2008. Boeing is providing JJ with a "fully-integrated" solution; which may go a long way in explaining why JJ decided to place an order with them for the first time ever.

JJ's 777-300ER order with Boeing was announced on October 31, 2006 and includes four firm orders, plus four purchase rights. All four initial delivieries will be made by mid-2008.
 
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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:11 am

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 10):
Boeing is providing JJ with a "fully-integrated" solution; which may go a long way in explaining why JJ decided to place an order with them for the first time ever.

I think the aircraft's superior performance may also go a long way in explaining why JJ decided to place an order with them. I'm sure Airbus could have come up with a similar soloution had they ordered the 346.
 
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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Sun Feb 18, 2007 8:44 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 2):
Will they replace the Fokkers?

And by the middle of 2008, all Fokkers would be replaced.

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 4):
Actually it's great to see any airlines still picking up MD-11s to use in service in this day and age.

And the M11 is really nice on TAM livery !

Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
Yesterday TAM also received an additional A319 (XFW-SID-MCP) , which therefore increased TAM total fleet to 100 planes a milestone in TAM expansion drive.

I believe this A319 will replace one F100, and that's why Tam do not provide a Press Release announcing their 100th plane. I'm sure they will use this fact a lot.

Quoting Willyj (Reply 11):
I think the aircraft's superior performance may also go a long way in explaining why JJ decided to place an order with them. I'm sure Airbus could have come up with a similar solution had they ordered the 346

100% correct. As pointed out by Pdpsol, both Tam's CEO and CFO confirmed that the main reason for the 77W deal was that Boeing furnished a solution Airbus at that time was not able to do, pricing and as a plus the financing with US Eximbank.
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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:46 am

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 7):
Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 1):
Nothing against Boeing, but I love MD-11's.

I am sure Boeing doesn't mind, Boeing provided them, right? A stop-gap until the 777s arrive.

Yeah, I am sure the Boeing execs read these boards regularly for our input.  sarcastic  I just put that out as a heads up to the Boeing purists on this forum.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 9):
Technically, the MD-11 is a Boeing product since Douglas merged with them.

Haha yeah right, that's pushing it a bit. They may own the rights at this time, but they had no involvement in the design. I laugh when people refer to Mad Dogs as Boeing Douglas MD-80's.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
And by the middle of 2008, all Fokkers would be replaced.

Any idea as to where they will go after TAM phases them out? KLM Cityhopper possibly?
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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Sun Feb 18, 2007 5:57 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
I believe this A319 will replace one F100, and that's why Tam do not provide a Press Release announcing their 100th plane. I'm sure they will use this fact a lot.

Which Fokker 100 is slated to leave the fleet? Any idea whether TAM has put up a schedule of Fokker 100s leaving the fleet?
 
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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:30 pm

With TAM going with the "McBoeing"  Smile MD-11, then replacing them with T7s, where would you guess their A350 order will head?

Sorry for the OT question, but TAM has been mum, any guesses?

They are a great airline, their expansion is understandable, very professional, however their prices are not as competitive as they once were. Once I bought a cheap TAM for the MIA-GRU-NAT torture route, showed up at the TAM counter with a visa that was 22 days expired. They changed my ticket to fully refundable, no restrictions while I had my visa renewed. It worked out perfectly, I stayed in Natal waiting to go on a job for 3 extra weeks.

This was a few days after the 9/11 attacks and flights restarted. The fare was USD 425.00, MIA-GRU-NAT and back. Incredible.

On another trip from NAT to MCO, the flight from GRU was late, they overnighted me at MIA, even though I bought the ticket codeshare from AA. So far, their customer service has been incredible. If they would only quit the FedEx model of everything going to GRU...
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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:16 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
And by the middle of 2008, all Fokkers would be replaced



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
I believe this A319 will replace one F100, and that's why Tam do not provide a Press Release announcing their 100th plane. I'm sure they will use this fact a lot.

Lipe: TAM's F-100 will only be phased out until 2010. Increased demand and time-lag for delivery of new aircraft mean that F100s will stay in TAM fleet longer than expected. As a matter of fact, not long time ago TAM was still considering both the A319 and Embraer jets as options for replacement of the F-100, with the A319 getting the upper hand.

Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 14):
Which Fokker 100 is slated to leave the fleet? Any idea whether TAM has put up a schedule of Fokker 100s leaving the fleet?

No concrete schedule as yet. As mentioned above, the F100 will stay with TAM longer, at least until 2010. But market dynamics may change plans as well.

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 13):
Any idea as to where they will go after TAM phases them out? KLM Cityhopper possibly?

I think they will go to many different operators. Last year one of TAM F100 was delivered to Iran Air. But KLM will certainly be the main destination of the old and worn out frames....

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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:54 am

Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 14):
Which Fokker 100 is slated to leave the fleet? Any idea whether TAM has put up a schedule of Fokker 100s leaving the fleet?

Announced on Tam 3Q 2006 results, to be all returned by the first quarter of 2009 and not 2008 as i informed.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 16):
Lipe: TAM's F-100 will only be phased out until 2010. Increased demand and time-lag for delivery of new aircraft mean that F100s will stay in TAM fleet longer than expected. As a matter of fact, not long time ago TAM was still considering both the A319 and Embraer jets as options for replacement of the F-100, with the A319 getting the upper hand.

I doubt Hardi, they already have plans for the replacement (the A319/A320 bought last year). If you look for their press releases, they are scheduled to depart during the next 24 months IIRC. And by 2009, they expect to keep only 5 F100 flying.

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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:13 pm

Congrats to TAM, the only REAL international carrier of Brazil,  Wink

100 aircraft and still no flights to LAX...  Sad

Still its great to see such a diverse fleet with a fairly nice livery.
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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:58 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 17):
Announced on Tam 3Q 2006 results, to be all returned by the first quarter of 2009 and not 2008 as i informed.

Now they already announce 2009. Funny. My source indicates 2010 while I also have sources indicating TAM will fly the Fokkers in 2012! Let's see what happens. Previously, all F100 were suppose to leave TAM in 2007, and they still have 21 of the birds!!

Quoting JRDC930 (Reply 18):
100 aircraft and still no flights to LAX...

OceanAir is expected to operate GRU-BOG-LAX, while LAN already operates GRU-LIM-LAX.

Interesting but TAM contacts with Star members are deepening. Now TAM has signed an agreement with NH for flights Brazil-Japan allowing for connections in LHR, CDG and JFK. Here is the timetable:

https://www.gapnet.com.br/images/comunicados/opcoes01.gif

TAM is also negotiating with LH (FRA) and TAP (Brazil connections) for an agreement, with sources pointing out that a possible agreement TAM-Star Alliance is not at large. That would be a surprising move by TAM if it decides to join Star Alliance. (of course, TAM has arrangements with AA and AF which have to be taken into account).

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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:19 pm

Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 14):
Which Fokker 100 is slated to leave the fleet? Any idea whether TAM has put up a schedule of Fokker 100s leaving the fleet?

Here is info about the latest F100 to leave TAM. Actually, it is a F100 from TAM Mercosur based in ASU:


Fokker 100 11394
EP-CFM Chabahar Air
delivery 17-18feb07 GRU-REC-DKR-GHA-HER-THR
ex PT-MQL

Irab based Chabahar Air already operates 4 ex-TAM:

EP-CFI ex-PT-MRU
EP-CFJ ex-PT-MRV
EP-CFK ex-PT-MRW
EP-CFL ex-PT-MRY

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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:12 am

Quoting JRDC930 (Reply 18):
Congrats to TAM, the only REAL international carrier of Brazil,

And seems that they are back on track. I just arrived at LHR from GIG/GRU and during the last 12 months it's the first international flight i can say: it's the magic red carpet ! Amazing crew, top level ground services in both GIG and GRU, no lines, fantastic service and plane 100% perfect. The result: 9 hours of a really good sleep on a perfect C seat !

This is the TAM i love to see and fly !

Quoting JRDC930 (Reply 18):
100 aircraft and still no flights to LAX...

And there is no sight of LAX in the near future!

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 19):
TAM is also negotiating with LH (FRA) and TAP (Brazil connections) for an agreement

One of the Tam directors announced a couple weeks ago that they have plans to begin this year 2 new international destinations (without even mention if it's South America, US or Europe). I'm confident that they are looking for FRA and CCS.

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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:21 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 21):
I'm confident that they are looking for FRA and CCS.

Lipe, agree with you. I think FRA and CCS will be operated by TAM until the end of the year 2007. GRU-FRA and ASU-GRU-CCS are my hints.

TAM also decided to upgrade flights to COR: as per 29 March 2007 TAM (PZ) will operate daily flights GRU-COR therefore in direct competition with GOL, which recently also upgraded COR. TAM operates GRU-ASU-COR/GRU-AGT-COR while GOL operates GRU-POA-COR. Lets hope TAM also starts operations in ROS/Argentina soon. Nice to see airlines diversifying their market in Argentina out of EZE.

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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:36 am

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 22):
TAM also decided to upgrade flights to COR: as per 29 March 2007 TAM (PZ) will operate daily flights GRU-COR therefore in direct competition with GOL, which recently also upgraded COR. TAM operates GRU-ASU-COR/GRU-AGT-COR while GOL operates GRU-POA-COR. Lets hope TAM also starts operations in ROS/Argentina soon. Nice to see airlines diversifying their market in Argentina out of EZE.

Hardi in fact Gol runs GIG-POA-COR and not GRU, and they will upgrade it for 6x weekly by the middle of april. PZ could run the flight, but i assume they need to establish a COR-ASU flight in order to get the necessary approval. Do you have any info on this ?
ROS is now operated 3x GIG-POA-ROS, but in order to allow the increase on GIG-POA-COR, Gol will extend current BSB-POA to ROS, allowing BSB pax to become international in BSB. COR flights according to Gol staff in GIG, keep at least 70% of their pax straight to Rio and Norheast.

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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:57 am

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 19):
Let's see what happens. Previously, all F100 were suppose to leave TAM in 2007, and they still have 21 of the birds!!

Of those, so far here north, it's said 6 Fk.100 are heading for Click by MX in this 2007.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 21):
And seems that they are back on track. I just arrived at LHR from GIG/GRU and during the last 12 months it's the first international flight i can say: it's the magic red carpet ! Amazing crew, top level ground services in both GIG and GRU, no lines, fantastic service and plane 100% perfect. The result: 9 hours of a really good sleep on a perfect C seat !

This is the TAM i love to see and fly !

Nice! Good to hear this! Such a shame, as above said, no JJ to LAX nor MEX!  Sad

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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:05 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 23):
Hardi in fact Gol runs GIG-POA-COR

You are 100% correct, sorry for mistake. GOL's ROS and COR flights are very successful.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 24):
Of those, so far here north, it's said 6 Fk.100 are heading for Click by MX in this 2007.

As far as I know, TAM would dispose of only 4 F-100s during year 2007. But I will check and revert to you again later.

Is it hard to find customers for ex-TAM F-100? In general, most of TAM F-100 are not in really good shape.

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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:16 am

Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
Yesterday TAM also received an additional A319 (XFW-SID-MCP) , which therefore increased TAM total fleet to 100 planes a milestone in TAM expansion drive.



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
I believe this A319 will replace one F100, and that's why Tam do not provide a Press Release announcing their 100th plane. I'm sure they will use this fact a lot.

Today TAM published a new press release http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...story/02-22-2007/0004532719&EDATE= :
"Feb. 22 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- TAM S.A. incorporated this week a new Airbus A319 aircraft. This is the third Airbus aircraft from the A320/319 family incorporated this year into TAM's fleet [..]
This month, the Company returned two Fokker-100 aircraft. According to TAM's fleet planning, all Fokker-100 operated by the Company will be gradually substituted by Airbus A319/320 aircraft until the end of 2008. With the redeliveries and the new A319, TAM's total fleet reaches 98 aircraft (77 Airbus, 19 F-100 and 2 MD-11). TAM expects its fleet to have 109 airplanes at the end of 2007.[...]"

So they haven't reached the 100 aircraft yet, because 2 F100 left the fleet. 1 to KLM, and 1 to Chabahar.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
And by the middle of 2008, all Fokkers would be replaced.

This is indeed confirmed by the latest press release.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 25):
s it hard to find customers for ex-TAM F-100? In general, most of TAM F-100 are not in really good shape.

All 6 that have left the fleet in the last 12 months have been directly placed with a new operator: Air Niugini, Chabahar and KLM took each two. KLM reportedly did extensive research on the spot before they chose two after the bad experience with the first one they ever took from TAM.
 
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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:10 pm

Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 26):

Thanks AMSSFO, i'm really expecting a press release that should explain it's not the 100th plane. And thanks to clarify the question concerning to the F100 fleet replacement.

They will receive 3 A320 and 1 more M11 during the next 45 days which will probably increase their fleet to 100 planes.

Also, as a side note, TAM is looking for a GIG-SSA-CDG weekly service.

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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Sat Feb 24, 2007 12:59 am

Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 26):
So they haven't reached the 100 aircraft yet, because 2 F100 left the fleet. 1 to KLM, and 1 to Chabahar.



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 27):
They will receive 3 A320 and 1 more M11 during the next 45 days which will probably increase their fleet to 100 planes.

They reached 100 aircraft for a period of 3 days, when thereafter they disposed 2 F-100s. Anyway, thanks for bringing the the updated information. With the new additions coming over the next few weeks TAM will reach 100 aircraft yeat again. TAM fleet is expected to reach 109 birds by the end of the year.

Btw, TAM will also dispose of a leased A320 (PR-MAF) by the end of the month.

Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 26):
all Fokker-100 operated by the Company will be gradually substituted by Airbus A319/320 aircraft until the end of 2008.

I think that for sure TAM will operate the F-100s in 2009, although the press release mentions 2008. However, as I pointed out perhaps the F-100s stay longer depending on market dynamics. Initially TAM's F-100 were expected to be phased out by 2006, then the date was postponed to 2008.

All in all, TAM is expected to close 2007 with 109 aircraft.

TAM will take delivery of 61 Airbuses until 2010 and has another options for additional 20 x A320. In addition, 4 x B77W will be delivered during 2008 which will lead to the phasing out of the MD-11s and there is an option for another 4 x B77W for delivery in 2008.

TAM plans to operate a fleet of 132 aircfrat in 2010.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 27):
Also, as a side note, TAM is looking for a GIG-SSA-CDG weekly service.

Indeed. In addition TAM is also planing to fly to two new international destinations: speculations point to CCS and FRA.

Lipe: another important development is that TODAY TAM LAUNCHED ITS VIP/BUSINESS LOUNGE IN GIG! TAM's lounge in GIG has 350m2 and is testimony to the airline commitment to further expanding in GIG.

Rgs,

[Edited 2007-02-23 17:29:26]
 
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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Sat Feb 24, 2007 2:16 am

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 28):
Lipe: another important development is that TODAY TAM LAUNCHED ITS VIP/BUSINESS LOUNGE IN GIG! TAM's lounge in GIG has 350m2 and is testimony to the airline commitment to further expanding in GIG

Nice news Hardi !
And i departed GIG last week to LHR... one more week and i should visited the lounge. Now they need to complete the domestic lounge!
I expect they announce more international services from GIG very soon as nowadays we keep EZE and CDG non-stop services only. I gave them a full detailed suggestion about changing some daylights to JFK to run 3x weekly GIG-JFK non-stop.... lets see.

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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:55 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 29):
I gave them a full detailed suggestion about changing some daylights to JFK to run 3x weekly GIG-JFK

You mean, running something like GRU-JFK (night) JFK-GIG (day) GIG-CDG (night) CDG-GRU (night / JJ8099) and with another aircraft GRU-CDG (night / JJ8098) CDG-GIG (night) GIG-JFK (day) JFK-GRU (night) three times per week? This could make sense if the daylight loads to JFK are not so strong (A friend of mine was on a daylight flight GRU-JFK beginning of this month with a total of less than 40 passengers).

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 28):
another important development is that TODAY TAM LAUNCHED ITS VIP/BUSINESS LOUNGE IN GIG! TAM's lounge in GIG has 350m2 and is testimony to the airline commitment to further expanding in GIG.



Quote:
Os passageiros que embarcarem nos vôos noturnos poderão desfrutar do Jazz Lounge, com apresentação musical de pianistas todas as noites

sounds really nice to me  Smile

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 28):
In addition TAM is also planing to fly to two new international destinations: speculations point to CCS and FRA.

They will receive two new A332 by November which have to fly somewhere. The two most obvious choices in my opinion would be GRU-FRA and GIG-MIA, which they both mentioned already, FRA depending on a local partner. As RG seems to be closer to LAN than to LH/Star now, a cooperation with LH seems to be feasible. Funny that CCS is the only other destination of LH in South America besides the FRA-GRU-EZE and MUC-GRU flights. Also, on every flight to/from CDG I see a lot of connections from/to Germany, and I heard the same about the LHR flights (though TAM still has to learn a bit of German/Suisse geography, the route map in their inflight magazine shows MUC south of ZRH, more or less where ZRH should be located and ZRH where BSL is located...). There are probably many not too risky options to serve CCS (directly from GRU or via MAO or BSB). What about LIM? They once mentioned it in the past but since they started the codeshare, nothing was heard anymore.

Is the new A319 the first A319 with the new seats, and does it then have 138 or 144 seats?
 
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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:47 am

Hi Jog!

Quoting Jog (Reply 30):
You mean, running something like GRU-JFK (night) JFK-GIG (day) GIG-CDG (night) CDG-GRU (night / JJ8099) and with another aircraft GRU-CDG (night / JJ8098) CDG-GIG (night) GIG-JFK (day) JFK-GRU (night) three times per week? This could make sense if the daylight loads to JFK are not so strong (A friend of mine was on a daylight flight GRU-JFK beginning of this month with a total of less than 40 passengers).

You get it !
The plane used on CDG-GIG runs instead of a GIG-GRU leg, at least 3x weekly GIG-JFK while the aircraft from JFK runs JFK-GIG and after a GIG-CDG flight.

The loads on the day light are very, very bad usually. A non-stop from GIG could help JJ to improve the loads and yields also.

Quoting Jog (Reply 30):
They will receive two new A332 by November which have to fly somewhere. The two most obvious choices in my opinion would be GRU-FRA and GIG-MIA, which they both mentioned already

IMO, if they close an agreement with LH, probably we wont see 3 CDG flights in the near future. I believe they could route one of the A332 to FRA, and as soon as the 77W arrives, it could run CDG.

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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:46 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 31):
The loads on the day light are very, very bad usually. A non-stop from GIG could help JJ to improve the loads and yields also.

Agree, I think JFK-GIG nonstop (even daylight) would work better than double daily GRU-JFK. I think with its recent expansion in GIG, and the opening of the business lounge, the least we could expect is GIG-MIA, GIG-JFK nonstop as new services. TAM could also open GIG-SCL to compete with LAN and GIG-LIM, all with A320.

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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:47 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 29):
And i departed GIG last week to LHR... one more week and i should visited the lounge

I will check the new TAM lounge on 01 May when I will fly JJ8016 GIG-EZE on C class.

Anyway, what happened to RG's lounge in GIG? It must be solely used by TAP nowadays (plus UA). It is a pitty, because soon after TAP moved to GIG T2, TAP had just finished a very nice business lounge in GIGT1, next to AF lounge. TAP lounge in GIGT1 is now completely abandoned, the same as VASP lounge in GIGT1. What a waste! As far as I remember, GIGT1 has lounges from AF (used by DL and CO), AR (used by IB and BA), TAP (abandoned) and VASP (abandoned).

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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:16 am

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 33):
What a waste! As far as I remember, GIGT1 has lounges from AF (used by DL and CO), AR (used by IB and BA), TAP (abandoned) and VASP (abandoned).

You Forgot the Admirals Club (AA). UX and CM probably will use AF lounge. Lan probably uses AA also. Also i expect IB and BA using AA lounge instead of AR as they are Oneworld partners.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 33):
I will check the new TAM lounge on 01 May when I will fly JJ8016 GIG-EZE on C class

I flew this flight once last October, just a couple of weeks after it has been created. Good service, but if you get a crowded C class, it's not so good for just one F/A. On JJ8016 were 8, but on JJ8017, 12 !
Let us know about your opinion !

I will also check on May 28, GIG-GRU-JFK.

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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:39 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 34):
You Forgot the Admirals Club (AA).

Correct!

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 34):
You Forgot the Admirals Club (AA). UX and CM probably will use AF lounge. Lan probably uses AA also. Also i expect IB and BA using AA lounge instead of AR as they are Oneworld partners.

Lipe, as far as I recall IB uses AR lounge in GIGT1. But I may be wrong. Anyway, AF lounge is always crowded and sometimes too small. I also think CM and UX will use AF lounge - although remember that CM uses now RG lounge in GRU, which is another ghost!

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 34):
Let us know about your opinion !

I will let you know, at least TAM still has C class in South American flights - some time ago they were thinking to scrap C on these flights as well. I will also check JJ8021 EZE-POA C class 03/May and JJ3876 BSB-EZE C class on 13/May. I I agree that one F/A for 12-seat C class is certainly not ideal, but even KLM and AF use 1 F/A for intra-European C class, and sometimes you even have 24 seats for 1 FA in C class - but Y class F/A help out in C class. Does all TAM A320 configurated with C class have 12 seats in this class?

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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:32 am

Latest news is that TAM will probably change one of its GIG-CDG flight to operate GIG-SSA-CDG, with the remaining 6 weekly as GIG-CDG. In addition, until the end of the year TAM will also open SSA-EZE or SSA-GRU-EZE. TAM now carries more than 90,000 monthly pax in SSA.

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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:28 am

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 35):
Does all TAM A320 configurated with C class have 12 seats in this class?

Yes, all of them. Seems that they are now 7 with the "A32A", all with 12C 144Y.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 36):
Latest news is that TAM will probably change one of its GIG-CDG flight to operate GIG-SSA-CDG, with the remaining 6 weekly as GIG-CDG. In addition, until the end of the year TAM will also open SSA-EZE or SSA-GRU-EZE. TAM now carries more than 90,000 monthly pax in SSA.

I remember heard this even before they begin the flight. And SSA is really a strong base for TAM, an important early morning focus city, with strong year-round traffic, a EZE flight makes all sense. There are some changes on the network under way, and an A32A (the one with Business Class) will become available at GIG during 8:30 AM till 18:30 (use to run a domestic flight JJ3496/JJ3497 GIG-SSA-REC-SSA-GIG during the day). As they could manage to use this plane to run the GIG-GRU-ASU flight, they could even extend the EZE-GIG early morning as a EZE-GIG-SSA or even a GIG-EZE early morning (something missing nowadays!). It's early to imagine something!

I think a SSA-EZE or even SSA-GIG-EZE makes more sense as they already keep 5 daily GRU-EZE plus 1 GRU-CWB-EZE, plus 4 weekly additional GRU-EZE. I see GRU-EZE with A321 in the near future.

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RE: TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered

Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:03 am

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 35):
Does all TAM A320 configurated with C class have 12 seats in this class?



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 37):
Yes, all of them. Seems that they are now 7 with the "A32A", all with 12C 144Y.

They all have 12 seats because at TAM you still get a better seat compared to the Y class seat while LH, AF etc. basically just provide you with an empty middle seat and a better food selection on intra-europe flights and thus adjust the size of the business class according to demand. TAM's February board magazine shows a total of 8 of these A320 with 156 seats, 29 A320 with 174 of the new seats, and 13 A320 still with 168 of the old seats.

Apropos seats... I got the pleasure of the new Y class seat on an A320 GYN-CGH two days ago. I must say: I did not like it. The carpet was already spoiled a lot and, in my opinion, could be replaced already. Also the seat covers were looking quite used already. In terms of the seat itself: The seat pitch appeared to me as limited as with the old seat (which I had on an A319 on the CGH-GYN sector), i.e the thinner seat backs do in deed make up for the extra row, but provide (again in my opinion) no extra comfort to the customer.

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