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First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:56 pm

I searched but found nothing on the subject. Here it is, LA's first A318 and the first PW6000 powered A318 that's getting ready for delivery:

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About time the PW6000 enters service.
 
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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:00 am

Quoting LTU932 (Thread starter):

Thanks for the pic, it looks very good !

But what is it doing in TLS, and why has it a French reg ? Never seen that on German-assembled Airbuses before.
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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:04 am

What are the dorsal fins on the side of the engines?
 
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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:07 am

Anybody know what kind of routing it will be taking to reach south america?!?

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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:12 am

Quoting Ari (Reply 3):
Anybody know what kind of routing it will be taking to reach south america?!?

If it had folding wings they could have just shuved the whole thing into a beluga!  

Anbody know what the situation is with the A318 and LCY certification? Could be a big sales booster.

[Edited 2007-02-17 16:16:36]
 
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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:30 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 1):
But what is it doing in TLS, and why has it a French reg ? Never seen that on German-assembled Airbuses before.

Probably some extra flight testing prior to delivery. That's my guess.

Quoting Ari (Reply 3):
Anybody know what kind of routing it will be taking to reach south america?!?

Who knows. Regardless of whether it will be delivered through SMA and MAO or through DKR and MAO, the initial routing might be very long and tight in range if it doesn't have any temporary aux tanks, but once in South America, probably Brazil, it shouldn't be very difficult to get the A318 to SCL.

I guess the delivery might be XFW-SMA-MAO-SCL with aux tanks. The same if delivery is from TLS.
 
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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:48 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 2):
What are the dorsal fins on the side of the engines?

Vortex generators found on other 320 models as well, cuts down on the engine/pylon interference on the wing.
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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:49 am

Grea photo. Saw it in FXW in primer cls.
Anyone know the exact first inaugural flight date for LA? Any proposed routings?

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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:53 am

Quoting LH526 (Reply 7):
Anyone know the exact first inaugural flight date for LA? Any proposed routings?

Just noticed that that aircraft has the trailing probe as well, which means its a certification flight, will have to wait for it to get certified first.
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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:59 am

Quoting Zeke (Reply 8):
Just noticed that that aircraft has the trailing probe as well, which means its a certification flight

Noticed that too, that's why I asked  Smile
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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:19 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 5):
I guess the delivery might be XFW-SMA-MAO-SCL with aux tanks. The same if delivery is from TLS.

Depending on the MTOW LA has selected, aux tanks might not be needed at all. Additionally, you can chose a route where you don't need them, even with a low MTOW. I suspect that's what they'll do.
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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:48 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 10):
Depending on the MTOW LA has selected, aux tanks might not be needed at all. Additionally, you can chose a route where you don't need them, even with a low MTOW. I suspect that's what they'll do.

I should have been more clear, so I apologise for the misunderstanding. With aux tanks, I meant temporary aux tanks, similar to those used on delivery flights of 717s to Hawaii.
 
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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:58 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 10):
Additionally, you can chose a route where you don't need them, even with a low MTOW. I suspect that's what they'll do.

SID-FOR is only 1536 nm - well within the range of a A318, yet alone an A318 without passengers. So I don't see why they would need to use aux tanks to get the aircraft from Africa to South America - and you certainly wouldn't need them to get from TLS (where the picture was taken) to SID, or FOR to SCL. Even if you needed a fuel stop in between TLS-SID or FOR-SCL, you certainly woudn't need to spend the money to modify the cabin for aux tanks.
 
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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:04 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 11):
I should have been more clear, so I apologise for the misunderstanding. With aux tanks, I meant temporary aux tanks, similar to those used on delivery flights of 717s to Hawaii.

No, I've understood you ! Still, see here why even those are unnecessary:

Quoting VictorKilo (Reply 12):
SID-FOR is only 1536 nm - well within the range of a A318, yet alone an A318 without passengers. So I don't see why they would need to use aux tanks to get the aircraft from Africa to South America - and you certainly wouldn't need them to get from TLS (where the picture was taken) to SID, or FOR to SCL. Even if you needed a fuel stop in between TLS-SID or FOR-SCL, you certainly woudn't need to spend the money to modify the cabin for aux tanks.
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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Sun Feb 18, 2007 5:08 am

Wow. What a beautiful aircraft indeed.

How many does LA have in order?

Whats the backlog on the A318?

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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Sun Feb 18, 2007 6:21 am

I agree its too beautiful. I'm curious to know the routes LAN will use them on.

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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:01 am

That is the most beautiful livery on an A318 so far. Great that LAN Chile will soon have it in service. When are the rest due to follow?

What are the facilities at Ilheus like? A three leg TLS-DKR-IOS-SCL ferry routing would be relatively easy, with 2500+/- mile segments - well below the A318's 3,250 nm range limit.

I believe LCY certification is targetted for the first half of this year. The Airbus site says LA would use the A318s for domestic operations.

We may finally know if Pratt & Whitney is successful in this iteration of the PW6000 engine.

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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:04 am

Are those brake fans on the mains? It seems unusual that a baby bus would need them, especially when it has thrust reversers.


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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:14 am

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 16):
I believe LCY certification is targetted for the first half of this year.

It would be great if WX ordered the A318 as they could use the maintainace & training facilities of AF, and offer a proper 5 abreast business class. With the new Avros arriving however this looks like only a long term possibility.
 
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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Sun Feb 18, 2007 8:45 am

Beautiful aircraft! Can't wait until its inaugural flight for LAN.
 
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Sun Feb 18, 2007 8:51 am

What a gorgeous looking Aircraft, cant WAIT to tryout LAN!
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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:26 am

The engines almost look as large as the fuselage.

Great looking livery though.
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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:49 pm

can someone please tell me ... what the point in the A318 really was? I mean it is not more efficient than the EMB series... if i read these forums correctly.? How much life does this aircraft really have in store?
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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:55 pm

Quoting CF188A (Reply 22):
can someone please tell me ... what the point in the A318 really was?

I believe Airbus wanted to enter the 100 seat market with the A318. In all fairness, we could probably ask the same thing about the Boeing 737-600.
 
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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:57 pm

Quoting CF188A (Reply 22):
How much life does this aircraft really have in store?

There is a small need for it, you will see some airlines either buy the aircraft as a step up from props, or for others, as a 737-500/DC-9 replacement
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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:35 pm

Quoting CF188A (Reply 22):
can someone please tell me ... what the point in the A318 really was? I mean it is not more efficient than the EMB series... if i read these forums correctly.? How much life does this aircraft really have in store?

A slightly shrunk A319 basically, to offer a 100 seat version of the popular A320 series. It is heavier and larger than the Embraer 190 but hauls roughly the same number of pax. Because of this it is less efficient and can be charged more for landing fees etc, however, it does offer a lot of commonality with the A319/A320/A321. So for airlines who already have those aircraft, the higher costs of the A318 vs the E190 can be made up for by having interchangeable crews and simplified maintenance. Same goes with the 737-600 vs the E190 for airlines with fleets of other 737s.

For airlines that require large fleets of both (example being Air Canada with 100some 319/320/321 and a fleet of E175/190s), it is more economical to go with the 190. On the other hand, if you are like Westjet and have a large fleet of 737s and only require a small number of 100 seaters, the maintenance costs and crew costs have a larger effect and thus it becomes cheaper to just pick up a few -600s.

The market for both the 318 and the 736 is quite limited, but considering they were fairly easy and pretty cheap for Airbus and Boeing to develop (start with a 737-700 or an A319 and basically just shorten it up a few feet) it is entirely possible for money to be made with them.



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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:27 pm

Quoting CanadianNorth (Reply 25):
It is heavier and larger than the Embraer 190 but hauls roughly the same number of pax.

To be more specific, 9 more than the E190 and 1 less pax than the E195, significantly farther with substantially more cargo.
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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:27 pm

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 26):
significantly farther with substantially more cargo.

which...the Embraer or the 318?
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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:49 am

Nice looking LAN A318.

Quoting CF188A (Reply 27):
which...the Embraer or the 318?

That would be the A318
 
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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:21 am

The A318 also has a better airfield performance than the E-series, maybe that point was imortant to LA.
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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:26 am

Quoting KL808 (Reply 14):

How many does LA have in order?

Twenty (20) according to this Flightglobal report.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...testing-five-years-later-than.html

Quote:
"The first Pratt & Whitney PW6000-powered Airbus A318 for launch customer LAN Airlines is undergoing testing. The Chilean airline has 20 of the twinjets on order."


Quoting KL808 (Reply 14):

Whats the backlog on the A318?

I believe the LA order is pretty much it, because the other launch customers had converted to the A319, cancelled or just let their orders lapse when their aircraft/engine combination of choice failed to meet performance requirements. I think some of them might revive their orders while others could place new orders IF they see a DRAMATIC performance improvement in LA's PW6000A engined birds.
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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:34 am

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 30):
Quoting KL808 (Reply 14):

Whats the backlog on the A318?

I believe the LA order is pretty much it

You should include the A318Elite backlog, then the figure almost doubles.
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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:43 am

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 30):
Quoting KL808 (Reply 14):

How many does LA have in order?

Twenty (20) according to this Flightglobal report.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...testing-five-years-later-than.html

Quote:
"The first Pratt & Whitney PW6000-powered Airbus A318 for launch customer LAN Airlines is undergoing testing. The Chilean airline has 20 of the twinjets on order."

That is correct DEVILFISH. Lan currently have 20 A318 on firm order. I believe that LAN also hold some options as well.

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 30):

I believe the LA order is pretty much it, because the other launch customers had converted to the A319, cancelled or just let their orders lapse when their aircraft/engine combination of choice failed to meet performance requirements. I think some of them might revive their orders while others could place new orders IF they see a DRAMATIC performance improvement in LA's PW6000A engined birds.

Here are the correct figures for the A318 backlog.

Air France x 1
LAN x 20
Tarom x 2
Frontier x 4
Private (A318 Elite) x 13
US Airways x 15 (it will be interesting to see what US does with this order).

Total: 55 frames to be delivered.


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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:48 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 32):
US Airways x 15 (it will be interesting to see what US does with this order).

IMO will convert to 320/321.
 
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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:14 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 32):
Here are the correct figures for the A318 backlog.

Maybe DEVILFISH meant PW powered.

But thanks WINGS for the backlog update. Hopefully those 15 US frames will get delivered as 318's.

Quoting Danny (Reply 33):
IMO will convert to 320/321.

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RE: First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318

Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:02 am

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 30):
IF they see a DRAMATIC performance improvement in LA's PW6000A engined birds.

How much performance/CASM improvement is claimed for the PW6000 variant?

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