den346
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CDG 2E Progress?

Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:03 am

I was curious about how the rebuilding of the collapsed terminal 2E at CDG was going? Any news on when it will fully reopen?

thanks
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marcus380
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RE: CDG 2E Progress?

Sun Feb 18, 2007 8:49 am

Actually terminal 2E is partially in use.
Half of the building is used for check-in and so on
there is a temporary building built on the tarmac
with buses embarcation only ( i used it to go to EZE )
here is the plan:

http://www.aeroportsdeparis.fr/Adp/R...-4bc6-906c-ba0e8375f2b4-cdg2ef.pdf

Concerning the re-openning of the full classical bridges zone I think
it will be in 2008, rihgt after the openning of the S3 terminal (left of E and F on the plan)
Each time I taxi on CDG I can see a lot construction going on there...


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den346
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RE: CDG 2E Progress?

Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:27 am

Great! Thanks for the info! I am glad to hear that the concourse will reopen soon, it is such a beautiful design!
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jouy31
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RE: CDG 2E Progress?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:28 am

Actually, S3 should open in phases between April and November this year, while the "Jetee" of 2E where the roof is being rebuilt should be back online in Summer 2008, at about the same time as the opening of 2G, the new terminal for regional aircrafts flying to Schengen destinations.

2E is really three buildings: 1) the check-in area, 2) the isthmus where the security and outgoing immugration checks take place and where the main 2E lounge for AF is located, and 3) the "Jetee", the boarding area, which is currently closed.

To the right of the isthmus, you can find the first temporary boarding area (gates E7x) which you reach by walking. There is another temporary boarding area (satellite H, also known as "Aire Hotel", home to gates E8x) reached by bus from the first temporary boarding area. It has its own AF lounge as well as duty free shops.

BTW, according to ADP's investment plan, S4 should be available in 2012, and the first phase of CDG 4 in 2016 ...
 
mindscape
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RE: CDG 2E Progress?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:42 am

Quoting Jouy31 (Reply 3):
S4 should be available in 2012, and the first phase of CDG 4 in 2016

Hello Jouy31
Do you know/can you tell more about S4 and especially CDG4 ? where ? for which usage ?
If i am correct, CDG1 is for foreign carriers (mostly Star Alliance members), CDG2 mostly used by AF and Skyteam, CDG3 dedicated for Charters and LCC...
 
goldorak
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RE: CDG 2E Progress?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:33 pm

I was at 2E yesterday and I can tell that the former "jetee" of 2E is now almost completely gone (they prefered to destroy everything and rebuild a let's hope safe building !). So there's still a lot to be done. I'm wondering if they'll be able to reopen in 1 or 1.5 year.

Quoting Mindscape (Reply 4):
CDG1 is for foreign carriers (mostly Star Alliance members),

not necessarily for foreign carriers but as there are not a lot of French carriers apart AF, you find mostly foreign carriers at T1. French carriers operating at T1 include TN, Corsair (during ORY curfew hours). Otherwise as you said Star Alliance carriers is the most important group there (except AC and OS which are operating from 2A and 2D).

Quoting Mindscape (Reply 4):
CDG2 mostly used by AF and Skyteam

Yes but progressively AF is pulling out of 2A/2B. There are a lot of non-skyteam carriers at T2, including, Finnair, Swiss, AC, Cathay, AI, VN, JAL, TAM, AA, Air Austral, Air Algérie, OS, EK, etc

Quoting Mindscape (Reply 4):
CDG3 dedicated for Charters and LCC

yes, correct
 
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RE: CDG 2E Progress?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:21 pm

Quoting Marcus380 (Reply 1):
here is the plan:

http://www.aeroportsdeparis.fr/Adp/R...f.pdf

That is the most confusing airport map I have ever seen. I can only hope that they are easier to read at the airport.
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longhaul67
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RE: CDG 2E Progress?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:03 pm

Quoting Goldorak (Reply 5):
I was at 2E yesterday and I can tell that the former "jetee" of 2E is now almost completely gone (they prefered to destroy everything and rebuild a let's hope safe building !).

I'm due to fly out of 2E on the way to GIG in March. So if it's buses for all departures at 2E, then it must be pretty hectic during the main departure banks? Our departure is at 23:15, i think this is rush hour for AF's South-American routes.

What are the restaurant facilities like at 2E? Just curious as we have 5 hrs between flights

[Edited 2007-02-20 13:04:53]
 
jouy31
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RE: CDG 2E Progress?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:02 pm

Quoting Goldorak (Reply 5):
Otherwise as you said Star Alliance carriers is the most important group there (except AC and OS which are operating from 2A and 2D)

LX is still in 2B, too.
 
jouy31
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RE: CDG 2E Progress?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:31 pm

Quoting Mindscape (Reply 4):
Do you know/can you tell more about S4 and especially CDG4 ? where ? for which usage ?

S4 should be parallel to S3, to the East, and used as part of AF's hub, with AF leaving 2A/B and probably 2C/2D later on. It should accomodate 7 million pax per year. CDG4 is a full fledged terminal, not just a boarding area like S3 and S4. Total capacity should be 25 million pax per year. It should be located North of CDG2 and East of CDG1.

CDG's overall capacity should reach 66.5 million pax per year in 2010, and 100 million sometime between 2020 and 2025.

This data comes from a 348 pages document submitted by ADP to the French Financial Markets Regulator (AMF) on April 21st, 2006.
 
goldorak
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RE: CDG 2E Progress?

Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:22 am

Quoting LongHaul67 (Reply 7):
I'm due to fly out of 2E on the way to GIG in March. So if it's buses for all departures at 2E, then it must be pretty hectic during the main departure banks? Our departure is at 23:15, i think this is rush hour for AF's South-American routes.

yes, it's all bus boarding from 2E due to the construction. But it's not as bad as you think because the 2 temporary structures they built are quite nice and large. Even if several AF long-haul flights leave at 23:00 or 23:30, they leave from 2E / 2F and 2C, so it won't be crowded

Quoting LongHaul67 (Reply 7):
What are the restaurant facilities like at 2E? Just curious as we have 5 hrs between flights

I never really paid attention to this as I'm never connecting at CDG so I'm not very familiar with restaurants at 2E. Anyway, if you come from Norway, you can easily go to any restaurant outisde the secure area in 2F or between 2B and 2D. But you may check also on ADP web site
 
longhaul67
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RE: CDG 2E Progress?

Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:48 am

Ok, thanks for info.
BTW, Google Earth has very high imagery resolution of CDG. Not quite sure how recent this image is:

Big version: Width: 1280 Height: 911 File size: 256kb
 
goldorak
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RE: CDG 2E Progress?

Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:59 am

Quoting LongHaul67 (Reply 11):
BTW, Google Earth has very high imagery resolution of CDG. Not quite sure how recent this image is:

it's at least several months old as it has changed quite a lot. The upper part is the check-in area which is operating normally (never been closed except just after the accident). What we called the "jetee" in previous posts above is the bottom part of the picture (just above the A/C). The central part of the jetee, which looks different, is the part which collpased and when this picture was taken, they obviously already "cleared" the place. But now, the entire jetee has been almost destroyed except the bottom supportive part (who will stay) and they will rebuild on it the new structure.
 
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RE: CDG 2E Progress?

Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:42 pm

Quoting LongHaul67 (Reply 11):
Not quite sure how recent this image is

This is image is at least 3 years old !
 
TYCOON
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RE: CDG 2E Progress?

Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:22 pm

Air France still has a number of codeshare agreements with non-Skyteam members so those airlines (including some OneWorld and StarAlliance members) leave from CDG 2: Swiss codeshares on AF flights to Geneva (2F), OS codeshares with AF to Vienna (2D), MA codeshares on flights to BUD (2B), JAL codeshares on Japan flights (2F) and AY codeshares on the HEL flights (2D). It seems all OneWorld members now fly out of CDG2 (IB, CX, BA, AA, AY). However, most of Iberia's Parisian flights are based at Orly not CDG.
 
jouy31
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RE: CDG 2E Progress?

Thu Feb 22, 2007 4:15 am

True. OW will probably be using the 2A/2B combination with long-haul flights in 2A and medium-haul flights in 2B.

[Edited 2007-02-21 20:20:45]

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