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Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:43 am

Update is at 430pm eastern for the groundstop, anybody have info on what happened?
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:56 am

Since I was slow in typing, will suggest deleting my thread and just post here...

Per the FAA.GOV site...

Due to OTHER/NOTAM A0908/07, there is a Traffic Management Program in effect for traffic arriving Cleveland Hopkins International Airport, Cleveland, OH (CLE).

Airport NOTAM'd closed as of 2010z due to an aircraft off of runway 28. Snow squall going through the airport at the time:

CLE SPECI 182017Z 33013G19KT 1/4 +SN BKN003 BKN010 OVC015 M08/M11 A3003
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:01 am

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BTA2235

That flight? Looks like the last one to land and not divert to DTW.
 
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:02 am

It looks like PIT is seeing quite a few of CLE's diversions.

FlightAware showing several ExpressJet and a few Continental flights headed for PIT.

http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KPIT/enroute

[Edited 2007-02-18 22:13:03]
 
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:12 am

Look at this Commutair flight doing some holding... I bet he returns to PIT.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UCA8744
 
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:15 am

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/11048114/detail.html

Commuter plane with 70 people slid off the runway... no one hurt...
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Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 6):

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/TCF6448

EGF diverted to PIT...only plane with 70 seats..
 
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:19 am

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 6):
http://www.newsnet5.com/news/11048114/detail.html

Ok, stupid question, but... where are the buses/drivers coming from?

Are they using the parking shuttles or does CLE have busses hiding under a tarp somewhere for this purpose?

Glad ot hear no injuries were reported!

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Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:25 am

Flight is Delta Connection 6448 (Operated by Shuttle America) ATL-CLE. Aircraft type is EMB170.
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:28 am

From cleveland.com

http://www.cleveland.com/newslogs/pl..._plaindealer/archives/2007_02.html


"Sunday, February 18, 2007

Plane runs off runway, nobody hurt
3:45 p.m.

A plane has slid off a runway and into a fence at Cleveland Hopkins Airport this afternoon shortly after 3 p.m.

The Delta Express jet did not go completely thru the fence near West Hangar Road. No injuries have been reported.

Check back for more details.
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:40 am

Delta Express, huh!?!? Nice to see the media is up to their normal selves.
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:44 am

Airport reopened at 2130z...

First flight landing now (2140z)...

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Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:47 am

Funny I was just coming online to ask the same question. I was working Clearance and saw that GS come out due to aircraft incident and weather (not verbatim). I knew this was where to look first! I assumed it was an aircraft sliding off the runway but wanted to be sure. I am glad everyone is okay.

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Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:05 am

Any indicatin as to which runway? I read that it was in the fence near West Hanger Road, but I am unsure as to that location. If it was one of the 24s then these folks had a heck of a ride!
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:09 am

Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 16):

At the time of the incident, they were using 28. Now they are using 6.
 
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:18 am

Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 17):
At the time of the incident, they were using 28. Now they are using 6.

Landings on 10/28 make me nervous in dry weather, much less in snow squalls like we have been experiencing today. Luckily they did not slide across the road as the rocky river valley is extremely close to the end of 28.

FYI - 10/28 is just over 6000 ft long.
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:55 am

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 12):
Delta Express, huh!?!? Nice to see the media is up to their normal selves

CNN initially said the airline was Shuttlecraft. They've got it right now.
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Let Me Tell You, Landing A 772ER Is Harder Than It Looks!
 
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:04 am

Here's some pictures



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Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:06 am

here's a photo from the scene. this was taken from the Brookpark Rd. bridge over the Rocky River, just past the NASA entrance.

http://www.opshots.net/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-2712
 
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:12 am

Quoting Chrisjake (Reply 22):
here's a photo from the scene. this was taken from the Brookpark Rd. bridge over the Rocky River, just past the NASA entrance.

Great picture Chris. Any idea how much damage was done to the airplane? It looks like it just hit the fence.
 
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:22 am

EMB 170-100 SE N862RW 17000098
 
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:44 am

Yikes,

Not only was at at CLE when the incident happened, but N862RW is the 170 that took me from IND to ATL two weeks ago.
 
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:48 am

I think I jinxed CLE  frown . Last week, I mentioned to my college roommate how winter incidents at CLE are not uncommon...and sure enough, a week later...
 
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:59 am

Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 8):
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/TCF6448



Quoting BatonOps (Reply 23):
Any idea how much damage was done to the airplane? It looks like it just hit the fence.

I think the news stated that there was engine damage to both... but we know how reliable they are.. could it be possible we see the first e170 scrapped?
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:06 am

Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 28):
could it be possible we see the first e170 scrapped?

From the pictures above it doesn't look like the fuselage buckled at all, but that tree is hiding some of the front part. I'm curious to see what the underside looks like. Hopefully the nose gear didn't tear up too much assuming that it was sheared off.
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SOURCE:WJW
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RESTRICTION:
CATEGORY:NorthEast (NE)
FORMAT:VO
DURATION:01:28

.. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. ..

DATE: Sunday, February 18, 2007
SOURCE: WJW (FOX) Cleveland, OH



DEVELOPING, CHECK FOR UPDATES, MOS SOUND, AND VERBATES TO FOLLOW.

INFORMATION:
Scary moments for about 75 passengers and crew members in Cleveland after
their
plane skidded off the end of a runway and pierced a fence at Cleveland
Hopkins
International Airport Sunday (02/18) afternoon around three P-M.

The Delta Air Lines flight operated by Shuttle America had arrived from
Atlanta
and stopped about 150 feet past the end of the runway.

It was snowing at the time but another plane had landed on the runway about
eight minutes before and reported no braking problems.

Officials said visibility was at about a quarter- to a half-mile.

The airport was closed for over an hour after the accident and some planes
were
diverted to other cities.

There are no reports of any injuries.

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 12):
Delta Express, huh!?!? Nice to see the media is up to their normal selves.

that's the way it read on the original wire transmission and legally that is how it has to be transmitted.

the wire transmission credits the airport as the source.
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Quoting BatonOps (Reply 23):
Great picture Chris. Any idea how much damage was done to the airplane? It looks like it just hit the fence.

thanks. it really didn't look damaged at all from where i was. if anything, possible the landing gear. there is ALOT of snow on the ground right now here, i imagine that the snow helped keep the aircraft off the actual road.

here's a photo from a different angle
http://www.opshots.net/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-2713
 
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:15 am

Glad I wasn't at work today, that's for sure.

We haven't cut a break all week at CLE. There was the snowstorm, that hampered us through Thursday; then 24L had pavement problems on Friday, which put us in ground stops and delay programs-on a perfectly sunny day. Saturday we got heavy snow squalls again, delaying lots of flights in the afternoon, and then this incident today.

Bad week at CLE.

Glad no one seems to be injured.
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:56 am

Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 24):
I think the news stated that there was engine damage to both... but we know how reliable they are.. could it be possible we see the first e170 scrapped?

The only way it would be scrapped was if there are wrinkles in the fuselage and the spars are bent. The engines can easily be replaced and I think the pylons can be also (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). I'll have to talk to one of our claims guys to see exactly what determines if it's scrappable. Also, who owns the DL Connection E170s?

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Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:57 am

Quoting Chrisjake (Reply 27):
thanks. it really didn't look damaged at all from where i was. if anything, possible the landing gear. there is ALOT of snow on the ground right now here, i imagine that the snow helped keep the aircraft off the actual road.

here's a photo from a different angle

Another great shot Chris. Too bad you can't get to the nose of the aircraft. It doesn't look like the aircraft would be write off but then again we only see a small portion of the aircraft.

Did they crew/passengers evacuate through the front left door?
 
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:59 am

Quoting Chrisjake (Reply 19):

Great photo - and a really nice portfolio of pics you've got there!

Looks like that RJ could be damaged significantly... let's hope it's not much worse than it looks.

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Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:00 am

Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 29):
Also, who owns the DL Connection E170s?

Shuttle America
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:11 am

Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 29):
The only way it would be scrapped was if there are wrinkles in the fuselage and the spars are bent.

If the WN bird from the MDW incident can fly again, there should be no reason this one can't. The only potential problem is that it's away from home (though they'd just have to get it cleaned up enough for a m/x ferry down to IND).

I'm surprised the EJet haters who seem to be lurking on a.net lately have not yet found this thread...
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:12 am

The nose of the aircraft breached the perimeter fence at West Hangar Rd. It is, apparently, still mostly buried in snow. The engines are also fairly deep in the snow. Passengers were evacuated using the emergency slides since no airstairs could be brought to the scene. The airport used shuttle busses (probably from the parking lots) to take the passengers to the terminal. There were 70 passengers and 4 crew on board, none of whom were injured; however three passengers were taken to the hospital for examination on their own requests. The plane landed during whiteout conditions at about 3 PM. The previous aircraft on the runway had not reported braking problems.

Personal opinion/observations: Here in Cleveland we are used to rapidly changing conditions. You can go from ten miles' visibility to zero visibility as a Lake Effect snow band crosses the area. You can go from bright sunshine and broken clouds to dark haze in the same time. Arrivals were coming in on Runway 28 at the time, and they are usually spaced farther apart than when landings occur on either of the 24 parallels. IMHO, this means that conditions could easily change that rapidly between arriving aircraft in the closest possible spacing. Although Runway 28 has ILS, it's only Cat.I, so the pilot has a significant amount of work to do to put the plane down on the runway. It is also KCLE's shortest runway at 6017 ft. and no overrun. In addition, I've watched numerous Runway 28 landings and most are made with a rather steep nose-down attitude and little flare until 20 ft. or so above the runway.
What can you say? If the pilot ended up with limited options due to sudden lack of visibility, proximity to the ground and likely sudden wind shear, s/he may have been in a no-win situation. Put the plane down and hope for the best. In this case, the snow drift at the end of the runway may have been "the best."
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This aircraft was operated by Republic Holdings/Chatauqua/Shuttle America........
 
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:17 am

CNN is reporting that the aircraft struck the localizer antenna at the end of the runway. That will probably cause a good bit of damage.
 
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:20 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 33):
I'm surprised the EJet haters who seem to be lurking on a.net lately have not yet found this thread...

Isn't that family of aircraft known as the Embraer 180? If so, it should have been able to turn around and pull itself out of the snow.  Wink
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:22 am

the passengers where taken on 2 buses marked "Car Rentals" and 1 white van.

i can vouch for the conditions at the time. i was on I-90 in the middle of the squall and could NOT see more than 30-40' in front of me. things deteriorated in a hurry!
 
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Quoting Chrisjake (Reply 38):
and 1 white van

That must have been for the passengers suspected of causing the crash.  wink 
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:36 am

Quoting OptionsCLE (Reply 22):
Not only was at at CLE when the incident happened, but N862RW is the 170 that took me from IND to ATL two weeks ago.

I really hate to see this happen... Before the SLC-BNA route went mainline DL MD-90, Shuttle America was running 170s SLC-BNA... About a year ago, I spent about an hour on that bird after it arrived at BNA for the night talking with the captain. Great guy - gave us the full tour of the new 170 cockpit, etc.


I hope they can get her fixed-up...




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Brand new plane....That's really too bad  Sad  Sad

Hope it doesn't have to be scrapped  Sad
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:24 am

Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 24):
could it be possible we see the first e170 scrapped?

Not even close.... Anything can be repaired. Heck a few years back they put a whole new nose on a Expressjet E145 that landed hard in CLE in a snow storm. This will be pulled out of the ditch... evaluavted, repaired for a ferry flight and flown out for perminant repairs..

[Edited 2007-02-19 03:25:00]
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:29 am

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 41):
Hope it doesn't have to be scrapped  Sad

See reply #33 above by cubsrule. I think Republic holdings will get this thing back on it's wings again sooner than later. The EMB-170s have been quite the workhorse for DL. Trying newer long range routes and in this instance taking the place of some discontinued 732s.

Quoting Associated Press:
CLEVELAND - A commuter plane carrying more than 70 people ran off the end of a runway and pierced a fence after landing at the Cleveland airport Sunday, officials said. No injuries were reported.
The flight, traveling from Atlanta to Cleveland Hopkins International Airport, landed around 3 p.m., said Thonnia Lee, a spokeswoman for Delta Air Lines Inc. The flight was operated by Shuttle America, a Delta connection carrier, she said.
The cause was not yet known, airport spokeswoman Pat Smith said.
It was snowing at the time, with visibility at about a quarter- to a half-mile, said Dan Leins, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service in Cleveland.
Smith said the plane skidded and pierced through a fence before coming to a stop more than 150 feet past the end of the runway. The engines were partially buried in snow and the tip of the plane's nose was resting on a roadway the airport uses to get to perimeter buildings, she said.

I would have to assume that this is a weather related incident, and the NTSB investigators will conclude such as well, despite the 8 minute difference. This shouldn't be the ammunition for all of the E-Jet bashers that seam to have cropped up on these threads as of late, most likely due to the problems B6 is having with their EMB-190s. I hope that DL will continue to work with Connection Carriers Shuttle America and SkyWest to procure more of these EMB-170s and EMB-175s since they can fly these longer routes and not squash people as the CRJs seam to always do no matter if its a CRJ-7/9 even.
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:35 am

Quoting N231YE (Reply 23):

Small world. I flew that plane last week with one of the Fa's from the incident....



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Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:41 am

826, huh? I just worked her this morning, musta been coming back for more. I'll see if I can grab an update or 2 at work, but I'd imagine it won't be much more than the news has already said. Glad I went home just before it happened.
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2 cracks were found already, both about 10 inches long in the cockpit, above the Left and right seat under the F/O and captn when they stood up to exit the aircraft. That is all
i can see for 80 miles
 
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Two things to remember; 1 is Shuttle America has a maintenance hub in CMH. Wouldn't be hard to drive some mechanics up there and borrow some space (ok rent  Smile) at a CO hangar to get it fixed. 2. It really doesn't matter what RP wants to do with the airplane, it's up to the insurance company. If the airplane cannot be fixed for how much it was insured for, then it will be totalled out. My guess is the value of the aircraft (being fairly new), it will be repaired.
 
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:53 pm

Quoting Dl757md (Reply 16):
CNN initially said the airline was Shuttlecraft. They've got it right now.

Not too far from the truth, that is Shuttle America's callsign. (For now, anyway).
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:39 pm

It was definitely a rough day at Hopkins today all around, and then this "little" incident...Kudos to all those who worked through it, and to the CLEARFF for responding so quickly and effectively. Good job, guys!

Thank goodness there were no serious injuries in this accident.

Here's another angle I don't think anyone has seen yet:

http://www.opshots.net/gallery/displ...image.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=0