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Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:38 am

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070219/sfm023.html?.v=77

Boeing says that Air New Zealand has exercised the 4 787 options into firm order. They'll be 787-9.

NZ now has total of 8 787-9 on order, first delivery set for 2011

[Edited 2007-02-19 20:39:59]

[Edited 2007-02-19 20:51:38]
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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:48 am

Very nice. Congrats to NZ and Boeing.


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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:00 am

I'm just curious: does anyone know why NZ is ordering B787s in small numbers (I think it was 2 first, then 4, now another 4). Are they firming up options as funding is becoming available?

Thanks,

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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:02 am

Today seems to be the day for 8's. 8 for LO, now 8 for NZ.
Congrats to all parties.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:23 am

Creeping ever-closer to that 500 number!  Smile
Awesome, congrats to Boeing and NZ!
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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:11 am

will they order 8 next time (as their re-order qty so far has been 2, 4, ...)
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:13 am

8 is a nice size for that airline.

462 firm orders (I think) and counting now for the 787.....and first assembly this summer!! WOW !!
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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:16 am

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 5):
very nice - but aren't you about 2 months late

http://www.airnz.co.nz/aboutus/media...t.htm

Seems weird for Boeing to wait for 6 weeks to make announcement publicly
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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:18 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 7):
462 firm orders (I think) and counting now for the 787.....and first assembly this summer!! WOW !!

Can they break 500 before first flight?  eyebrow 
 
kiwiandrew

RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:19 am

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 8):

Seems weird for Boeing to wait for 6 weeks to make announcement publicly

I think the difference now is that the deal has been signed on the dotted line - in December NZ just announced their intention prior to all the documentation actually being signed ..... and sorry I didn't mean to rain on your parade
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:31 am

All we are waiting for now is the highly anticipated 773ER order.
 
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Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:33 am

Congrats to Boeing and ANZ- I was wondering when this intention was going to be made firm!!!! Hopefully with that out of the way we can await the 773ER order with bated breath. Any insiders can give a timeframe to expect a decision??

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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:42 am

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 12):
Any insiders can give a timeframe to expect a decision?

Not that I am an insider but was noted in a previous thread a route announcement is expected Friday - YVR and was noted in a local paper financials are due Tuesday Feb 27.

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Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:49 am

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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:36 am

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 12):
we can await the 773ER order with bated breath

With tongue in cheek, firmly, perhaps NZ will launch the 787-10 . Would'nt that be a put down for Tim Clark et al.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:25 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 9):
Can they break 500 before first flight?

Easily  checkmark 
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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:30 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 17):
Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 9):
Can they break 500 before first flight?

Easily

Which airline(s) do you think will order the 38 planes required to reach the magic 500? Seems the US airlines have not made any noise about placing an order and don't seem likely to any time soon. BA? But who would order in such quantities?
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:39 am

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 18):
Which airline(s) do you think will order the 38 planes required to reach the magic 500?

Even leaving some of the big airlines aside, TK might order up to 20 frames by then. That wouldn't be that much of a surprise.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:50 am

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 18):
Which airline(s) do you think will order the 38 planes required to reach the magic 500?

Well, SQ could firm up their 20 options and BA could order 20, that would do it.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:07 pm

Quoting Mptpa (Reply 6):
will they order 8 next time (as their re-order qty so far has been 2, 4, ...)

2,4, so 6 comes next.

Even thou Boeing has just announced this, this was announced two months ago
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:02 pm

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 12):
Congrats to Boeing and ANZ- I was wondering when this intention was going to be made firm!!!! Hopefully with that out of the way we can await the 773ER order with bated breath.

also , our revered fount of knowledge , NZ1 , mentioned on another thread a couple of days ago that the 767s should all be gone within the next 3 years , as this is before EIS for the 787-9s maybe there is a leasing deal to be announced for some 787-8s to cover the withdrawal of the 767s ???
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:54 pm

Will NZ least some 777-200ER to replace the 767s in the meantime?
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:56 pm

Good news for NZ. Nice to see them grow and expand after the troubles a few years ago
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:58 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 21):
2,4, so 6 comes next.

Could be 2, 4, 8, 16...  Smile
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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:19 pm

Four more 787s with RR for NZ, one more with RR for LOT and an RR 787BBJ. A good week for RR!

(But where's the QANTAS announcement...?)
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:42 pm

Whoa, congrats to Boeing. Can see it reaching 500 now ...


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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:42 am

great news for the 787 program....it is gonna be a big success!
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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:13 am

When is NZs much awaited fleet announcement on 77W likely to occur and when would likely delivery occur? Also, has NZ reduced the quantity and diversity of 777 purchase rights it holds? In 2004 when NZ first announced the 772 and what was then 7E7 order, Norris was quite open that the 77W would be their 747replacement choice but he noted that the 42 purchase rights they held were across the range of 777 types (77W, 77F, and 77L). In May 2006 when Fyfe announced that NZ's 787 order would increase to 4 firm plus 4 options and 10 rights he also referred to a further 30 purchase rights for B777s but was not as specific as Norris. Then in a New Zealand National Business Review interview over the NZ summer hols Fyfe suggested New Zealand held purchase rights specifically for 15-20 77Ws.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:23 am

Its very possible that the slots for these 4 planes came up as "next" and so they firmed the options instead of losing the slots to a firm order.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:39 am

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 29):
Its very possible that the slots for these 4 planes came up as "next" and so they firmed the options instead of losing the slots to a firm order.

And why not? If you can't use them, lease or sell them...SQ and FR do.
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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:55 am

Quoting Aerojoe (Reply 28):
Norris was quite open that the 77W would be their 747replacement

Norris also said the NZ were interested in the 748. It's Fyfe to my knowlege that will bring in the 77W in place of the 744s
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:57 am

Quoting Cchan (Reply 22):
Will NZ least some 777-200ER to replace the 767s in the meantime?

I subscribe to the view that they might take on some 787-8's . Fyfe indicated this about a year ago. Look closely at which leasing company is holding positions in this type for 2009-2010 delivery. Don't forget that NZ's leases on 4 of the -200ER fleet run out in the 2011-2013 time frame , which is just when the most recent 4- 787-9 are scheduled for delivery.
The other possibility is that -300ER's will start arriving as the 767's go freeing up some -200ER's since the -400's look like being in the fleet until the 2010-2012 time frame.
I believe it is a certainty that NZ has locked in delivery slots except for the 787-8 and they are firming these up as they have to so as to maintain their positions.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:21 pm

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 31):
Norris also said the NZ were interested in the 748. It's Fyfe to my knowlege that will bring in the 77W in place of the 744s

I gotta agree with Fyfe or whoever decided on 77W over 748s. I doesn't make sense to buy 748s for NZ when it comes to the time they need to get rid of them...it is just that not many other airlines are interested. Also I am glad that NZ went with the 777 over A340s...the order book for A340s isn't doing well!

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 32):
I subscribe to the view that they might take on some 787-8's . Fyfe indicated this about a year ago.

Since they already have 772 in their fleet, it won't harm getting some more. Have been on NZ 772s for a few times now, they are good beasts, and they really should stay for longer in the fleet. Well, at least longer than the old 744s.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:56 pm

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 21):
also , our revered fount of knowledge , NZ1 , mentioned on another thread a couple of days ago that the 767s should all be gone within the next 3 years , as this is before EIS for the 787-9s maybe there is a leasing deal to be announced for some 787-8s to cover the withdrawal of the 767s ???

My speculation to. There will be a lease if the decision has been made not to proceed with the proposed IFE upgrade to the 763 and to phase them out before arrival of the 789. No word yet on a customer for GECAS order for 7x 77W leaves me speculating, ahead of the announcement later this week.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:24 pm

Quoting ZKNBX (Reply 34):
No word yet on a customer for GECAS order for 7x 77W leaves me speculating, ahead of the announcement later this week

What ILFC orders are there that don't have a name on them?
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:26 pm

Quoting ZKNBX (Reply 34):
No word yet on a customer for GECAS order for 7x 77W leaves me speculating, ahead of the announcement later this week.

I assumed that these 7 aircraft would be the DJ order announced earlier this week - am I wrong?
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:37 am

Quoting Aerojoe (Reply 36):
I assumed that these 7 aircraft would be the DJ order announced earlier this week - am I wrong?


Perhaps, all the reports have DJ and Boeing negotiating. If DJ has a deal with GECAS what would there be for DJ to negotiate with Boeing?
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Orders 4 More 787-9

Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:57 am

Quoting Cchan (Reply 33):
I gotta agree with Fyfe or whoever decided on 77W over 748s. I doesn't make sense to buy 748s for NZ when it comes to the time they need to get rid of them...

I do agree with you to a certain extend and whilst i don't have the figures with me, by the tim NZ is saying it will retire the 744s, My popinion is that the 748 will just be comming out and taking off while the 77W will be nearing a decade old. So far, reports say that the 748 will be more economical that the 77W so my opinion is that they will order 77Ws to replace the 744s, but will take delivery of a few 748s a few years later.

I know that alot here will dispute what I am saying, and rightly so. But its just my $0.02  Smile

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