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CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:01 pm

Eff. 4/3, CO will be adding a 4th daily nonstop between MSY and EWR, to be operated by CO Express/ExpressJet.

It'll be a 5:09pm arrival from EWR with a 5:40pm departure.

This is what CO's MSY departure schedule will look like as of 4/3:


5:38a IAH 733
6:30a IAH 738
6:35a EWR 733
7:00a IAH 738
7:55a IAH 738
8:30a IAH ERJ
9:15a IAH 739
10:15a EWR 73G
10:40a IAH 73G
11:15a CLE ERJ
12:00p IAH 735
1:20p IAH 735
2:50p EWR 733
3:05p IAH 739
4:30p IAH 735
5:40p EWR ERJ
5:46p IAH 738
6:55p IAH 738
 
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:05 pm

Now thats an absolutely beautiful schedule right there, although perhaps one more rotation to CLE would be good as well?
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:11 pm

no more 753  crying 


Oh well, glad to see CO is still committed to MSY
 
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:22 pm

A daily ERJ to CLE? Meh... I wish they'd bump that up to at least 1 735. Wish they had a later flight to IAH... like 8pm or so.
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:45 pm

I flew MSY last week and was amazed how deserted that airport was. Good to hear someone is increasing service.
 
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:49 pm

Quoting JetBlueAUS (Reply 3):
A daily ERJ to CLE?

IIRC, pre Katrina, they didn't fly mainline between MSY/CLE it was only express jet..... don't think we'll see it in the near future...
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:57 pm

And there was much rejoicing-yaaaaay! (insert Terry Gilliam animation of minstrels waving little flags here) Always glad to hear when you guys get another addition at MSY.

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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:05 pm

Quoting N353SK (Reply 2):
no more 753

It's seasonal....it'll likely be back for the Summer.

Quoting JetBlueAUS (Reply 3):
A daily ERJ to CLE? Meh... I wish they'd bump that up to at least 1 735. Wish they had a later flight to IAH... like 8pm or so.

They had 2x ERJ to CLE before Katrina. 1x is a good compromise for now I think. It'll likely go double daily before too long. 735 is probably overkill right now.

Quoting N353SK (Reply 2):
Oh well, glad to see CO is still committed to MSY

Yes, we all are. They have flat out owned the MSY-Houston O&D market as of late. And they'll be the clear market leader again in MSY-NYC service.
 
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:20 pm

It is still hard to believe how much WN shunned MSY. A lot of people may have left MSY after Katrina, but most of the evacuees weren't business travelers. That area has a huge encatchment area..... it is sad. Hopefully CO and XE with its new service will help spark Moisant a little.
 
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:36 pm

Hopefully the folks in the N.O. area will return CO's loyalty and committment when other carriers who have been slower to rebuild their service there eventually return (with "welcome us back" promotional pricing). Unfortunately, in most cases, corporate loyalty goes unrecognized in the face of fares that are a dollar or two lower.
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:49 pm

Quoting PExDCA (Reply 9):
Hopefully the folks in the N.O. area will return CO's loyalty and committment when other carriers who have been slower to rebuild their service there eventually return (with "welcome us back" promotional pricing). Unfortunately, in most cases, corporate loyalty goes unrecognized in the face of fares that are a dollar or two lower.

Well, it's interesting because initially, WN really made an effort to let people here know that they were back...with "we're with you, new orleans, as you rebuild" billboards popping up in different areas. Those have been down for quite some time now, and WN has not added one new flight in here since June. Other airlines have, and if you look at the ticket counters these days, you'll see consistent lines at AA...DL...CO....FL...but not WN. My feeling is that they had the chance to really show what they were made of in terms of loyalty to the area, but they let it pass, and now other airlines are seeing some of WN's former passenger base head their way.
 
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:57 am

Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter):
8:30a IAH ERJ

Interesting. I didn't realize CO was servicing any of the IAH flights with RJs. I've never seen an MSY flight in the B terminal at IAH (but I guess it's been awhile, now that I think about it, and with just one per day, the opportunity would be rare, in any event).

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 10):
y feeling is that they had the chance to really show what they were made of in terms of loyalty to the area, but they let it pass, and now other airlines are seeing some of WN's former passenger base head their way.

I was just looking at WN's interactive route map, which I hadn't done in awhile. In their defense, if you look at non-stop options out of places like AUS, TUL, OKC, IND, SAT, BHM, the number of destinations served is comparable to MSY (within 4 of the number of available nonstop destinations). That said, WN's offerings at MSY are radically less than what was available pre-storm.

Further to your point, the routing options on WN out of MSY are so poor these days, there is really no reason to choose them over another carrier unless you are flying to one of their nonstop destinations. Apart from the nonstops, you're generally going way out of your way (frequently to HOU to get to a destination that is east of MSY or to TPA or MCO to get to the Northeast); it's no surprise that MSY pax are eschewing WN.

P.S. Don't mean to turn every thread into a gripe about WN's service reductions here; it's just a topic that interests me.
 
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:32 am

Quoting JetBlueAUS (Reply 3):
A daily ERJ to CLE? Meh... I wish they'd bump that up to at least 1 735. Wish they had a later flight to IAH... like 8pm or so.

While I'm sure this won't appease you, I should point out that CO785 CLE-MSY is on a 735.
 
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:47 am

Quoting N353SK (Reply 2):
glad to see CO is still committed to MSY

As are we, this airline is amazing!

Quoting JetBlueAUS (Reply 3):
I wish they'd bump that up to at least 1 735

Quoting HPAEAA,reply=5:
pre Katrina, they didn't fly mainline between MSY/CLE it was only express jet


CLE-MSY was a 735 for years before Katrina, and was a double-daily ERJ leading up to the storm.

Quoting XJET (Reply 8):
A lot of people may have left MSY after Katrina

....careful with this

Quoting XJET (Reply 8):
but most of the evacuees weren't business travelers

or travelers at all!
UNO did an interesting study in 2002: in the 3rd, 7th, and 9th wards-- nearly 27% of the individuals had never left Louisiana, nearly 40% had never left the DeepSouth (LA, MS, AL, FL [geographically], GA), and nearly 94% of them had never left the USA.

(and before anyone takes a stab at MSY's lack of intercon nonstops using the aforementioned information, keep in mind that that'd be like attempting to extrapolate LAX's int'l potential using data from SouthCentral  Yeah sure)

Quoting XJET (Reply 8):
will help spark Moisant

....ooooooooh, that's a name that hasn't been heard in a while  Wink

Quoting PExDCA (Reply 9):
Hopefully the folks in the N.O. area will return CO's loyalty and committment when other carriers who have been slower to rebuild their service there eventually return

I'm living testimony to that, and MSYTristar can vouch for it:
Just paid $406 more to connect in IAH to TPA, on a 737 (which I usually go well outta my way to avoid flying) just to support CO and avoid giving WN money for my nonstop to TPA in April. Yes it sucks to spend more for a 1stop, but it'd be even worse IMO to support that airline after the way they've handled our market.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 10):
and WN has not added one new flight in here since June

For the sake of further clarification:
WN has not added one (OF ANY KIND OF) flight in here since June 2006... not just "new" ones
(yes Steve, I knew what you meant, just bringing the point home  Wink)

Quoting MSYguy (Reply 11):
've never seen an MSY flight in the B terminal at IAH

Seen a few. The late-nights (11pm+) used to be RJs.... and then they went 738/757 pre-K!
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:21 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 13):
Quoting PExDCA (Reply 9):
Hopefully the folks in the N.O. area will return CO's loyalty and committment when other carriers who have been slower to rebuild their service there eventually return

I'm living testimony to that, and MSYTristar can vouch for it:
Just paid $406 more to connect in IAH to TPA, on a 737 (which I usually go well outta my way to avoid flying) just to support CO and avoid giving WN money for my nonstop to TPA in April. Yes it sucks to spend more for a 1stop, but it'd be even worse IMO to support that airline after the way they've handled our market.

Would this make you the exception that proves the rule?  spin 
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:34 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 13):
Just paid $406 more to connect in IAH to TPA, on a 737 (which I usually go well outta my way to avoid flying) just to support CO and avoid giving WN money for my nonstop to TPA in April. Yes it sucks to spend more for a 1stop, but it'd be even worse IMO to support that airline after the way they've handled our market.

That is absurd.

Do you really expect WN to fly unprofitable routes from MSY?

As a former New Orleanian, I too am dissapointed in the slow pace of "recovery" in all sectors, but don't blame WN for this. They are still the largest carrier at MSY and still offer non-stop service to the most cities. Do you really think that WN could still make make money on a non-stop flight to SAN or IND? I doubt it, neither are servied non-stop from HOU either. People in MSY just need to accept that the situation there has changed for the worse and airlines will not restart service until economic conditions justify it. CO has been bring service up to pre-Katrina levels because they are a network carrier whose hub in Houston has extremely strong business and social ties to New Orleans.

My advice: save your money and your time and fly Southwest.
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:38 am

Quoting PExDCA (Reply 14):
Would this make you the exception that proves the rule?

I may be among the more dramatic examples, but based on what (limited) interaction I've had with other MSY-roadies, I'm certainly not the only one.

That, and quite a few are flying out of BTR more lately; which is a testament to that airport's effort to reduce fares/gain destinations, but I don't really like (as per moi) as it further weakens MSY's O&D
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:53 am

Quoting NateDAL (Reply 15):
My advice: save your money and your time and fly Southwest.

Sometimes in life there is a financial cost associated with following your conscience. There is a lot of truth to the expression "we speak with our wallets".

I'm not saying that there are not considerations on both sides of this issue, but your response illustrates what I attempted to point out in my initial post on this thread... if you want any company (not just airlines) to expand in a given market you need to reward them with your continuing patronage, not only when they offer a lower price, but when sometimes it costs more as well.

In this case it appears that CO is investing in the rebuilding of air service in N.O. and it's kind of refreshing to see (at least one person) returning the investment.
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:58 am

Quoting NateDAL (Reply 15):
Do you really expect WN to fly unprofitable routes from MSY?

No. But many of the routes no longer served could be profitable.

Quoting NateDAL (Reply 15):
People in MSY just need to accept that the situation there has changed for the worse and airlines will not restart service until economic conditions justify it.

Current demand levels warrant additional service; the market is underserved. No one here is expecting to have what we had before (certainly, if you've spent anytime here post-K, you know that). For my part, I just want the service reductions to correlate with the actual drop in demand; WN has gone much further.

Are you suggesting that a market like MSY/BHM, which had about 700 seats per day pre-storm, couldn't support a single flight now (which is presently the situation thanks to WN, but not for long, thanks to XJET)? Do you think the loss of that city pair entirely reflects "economic conditions"? The answer is no. It reflects WN's decision to use its aircraft elsewhere. Which, of course, is their right. But call it what it is; don't attribute it to "economic conditions."

Quoting NateDAL (Reply 15):
CO has been bring service up to pre-Katrina levels because they are a network carrier whose hub in Houston has extremely strong business and social ties to New Orleans.

And the additional flights to EWR? What's the explanation for those? Could it be that CO is *profitably* flying routes from MSY?
 
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:19 am

Quoting NateDAL (Reply 15):

My advice: save your money and your time and fly Southwest.

...your advice has been:
heard
taken into consideration
denied


I'd rather spend the extra any day to reward a company looking out for us than to do so for one that's done all but shove a cedar trunk up our collective recta then brag about it.
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:36 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 19):
I'd rather spend the extra any day to reward a company looking out for us than to do so for one that's done all but shove a cedar trunk up our collective recta then brag about it.

Amen, brother!

I think WN sort of expected the general population of the Greater New Orleans area to just sort of take what WN will give them on account of past loyalty. The people here are smarter than that. This is '07, not '05, and make no mistake about it...even though they may still have the most flights from MSY (not by that many), WN is no longer the can-do-no wrong darling of this airport. That ship has sailed.
 
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:29 am

I always thought it was B.S. how CO flies ERJs from EWR-MSY post-katrina. I know before the tragedy CO was flying 73Gs on this route, and afterwards scaled back service on this route. Glad to hear that they are adding because it is due. CO is way more capable of filling up larger aircraft on this route.
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:39 am

Bravo it good to see more flts into MSY.
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:13 am

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 21):
Glad to hear that they are adding because it is due. CO is way more capable of filling up larger aircraft on this route.

Actually just this month they replaced the last ERJ with a 733 on the route. I'm sure in time the new ERJ flight will go to 735/33. The EWR flights are always full or oversold from here every day.
 
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:22 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 19):
I'd rather spend the extra any day to reward a company looking out for us than to do so for one that's done all but shove a cedar trunk up our collective recta then brag about it.

So, the solution is to NOT fly an airline that offers non-stop service to the city you want to go to, and to spend $400+ MORE to one-stop it on an airline that does NOT fly non-stop to where you want to go? All in order to "make a point" about how the airline that offers non-stop service to the city you want to go has not been "good" to MSY?

Hmmm.. that will show WN. Hell, maybe they'll pull out of MSY altogether if enough people do that. Wouldn't that be great?

Give me a break. WN has better opportunities at IAD, DEN and (soon) SFO. Those are all post-Katrina additions to the route network that need airplanes. I'm sure there are a number of cities in WN's network that have not seen additional flights since last June.

Yay on CO, but to bash WN is ridiculous.
 
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:37 am

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 24):
So, the solution is to NOT fly an airline that offers non-stop service to the city you want to go to, and to spend $400+ MORE to one-stop it on an airline that does NOT fly non-stop to where you want to go?

LOL. Sounds like you have managed to summarize the business case for every frequent flyer program in 50 words or less!  cheeky 
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:35 am

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 24):
Give me a break. WN has better opportunities at IAD, DEN and (soon) SFO. Those are all post-Katrina additions to the route network that need airplanes. I'm sure there are a number of cities in WN's network that have not seen additional flights since last June.

Yay on CO, but to bash WN is ridiculous.

Nope, not ridiculous at all IMO. You'd have a different outlook on the situation if you lived here most likely. ConcordeBoy is right on for supporting CO. I'd do the same thing...in fact, whenever I hear of someone needing to fly somewhere (and that happens a lot), I go out of my to tell them to avoid WN whenever possible. When they question me on it, I explain the situation to them, and they have always agreed with me.
 
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:14 pm

Its a shame when the airline that offers the most flights from an airport gets labeled as "not being commited to our airport"... that doesn't make any sense. If every MSY passenger felt the way these two guys do, and I were WN, I would completely close the station. Then everyone might realize how nice it was having such an "undedicated" airline around.
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:18 pm

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 27):
If every MSY passenger felt the way these two guys do, and I were WN, I would completely close the station. Then everyone might realize how nice it was having such an "undedicated" airline around.

If everyone felt the same as these two guys in MSY, WN would HAVE to close the station. MSY is a strange situation. I actually understand the sentiment of the MSY residents on here. The market is currently there. However, WN has a plane shortage and has chosen to allocate its resources elsewhere. Their loss. They will probably try to come back when they have to planes to put there.
 
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:30 pm

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 27):
Then everyone might realize how nice it was having such an "undedicated" airline around.

At this point, it's sort of like whatever, you know? If they add flights, if they decrease flights, if they stay the same....whatever. No one really expects them to add anything significant here anymore. They've had a year and a half to analyze the market....they don't think it's fit for more of their 737's....so be it. They'll likely just stay the course with their half assed schedule and see how many seats get filled.

Quoting XJET (Reply 28):
Their loss

Indeed it is.

Quoting XJET (Reply 28):
They will probably try to come back when they have to planes to put there.

I's say 50/50 on that. But i've been wrong before.
 
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:50 pm

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 23):
Actually just this month they replaced the last ERJ with a 733 on the route. I'm sure in time the new ERJ flight will go to 735/33. The EWR flights are always full or oversold from here every day.

Well thats good to hear. I hope sometime in the future CO will ring in the decision to bring the international 752s down to MSY for some daytime turnarounds.
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:48 pm

Quoting XJET (Reply 28):
The market is currently there. However, WN has a plane shortage and has chosen to allocate its resources elsewhere. Their loss. They will probably try to come back when they have to planes to put there.

Maybe they are leaving some market share for Air Gumbo to pick up?  duck 
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:50 am

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 26):
Nope, not ridiculous at all IMO. You'd have a different outlook on the situation if you lived here most likely. ConcordeBoy is right on for supporting CO. I'd do the same thing...in fact, whenever I hear of someone needing to fly somewhere (and that happens a lot), I go out of my to tell them to avoid WN whenever possible. When they question me on it, I explain the situation to them, and they have always agreed with me.

I'm sure you are emotional about it, but it is not at all a rational argument. What you "feel" WN's service levels "should" be is irrelevant. But if you guys want to waste your $400 or whatever on the "loyal" airline, your call.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 29):
At this point, it's sort of like whatever, you know? If they add flights, if they decrease flights, if they stay the same....whatever.

Then why whenever this comes up is there this bitching against WN? Doesn't sound like "whatever" to me.

You guys have not acknowledged the fact that MANY cities in WN's system have not seen an increase in flights in the past year due to the new stations in their system. Yet you paint this that WN is somehow out to "get" MSY.

Like I said, good for CO. Obviously they have the assets to deploy to MSY.
 
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:39 am

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 27):
Its a shame when the airline that offers the most flights from an airport gets labeled as "not being commited to our airport"... that doesn't make any sense. If every MSY passenger felt the way these two guys do, and I were WN, I would completely close the station. Then everyone might realize how nice it was having such an "undedicated" airline around.

I don't speak for the others, but I'm not saying I don't want WN around. I am saying that they have elected to deploy their assets elsewhere, despite the presence of demand in this market, and have cut service substantially in a way that is unique to them. No other carrier at MSY has made such dramatic cuts. For that, I think some of us are justifiably peeved.

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 32):
You guys have not acknowledged the fact that MANY cities in WN's system have not seen an increase in flights in the past year due to the new stations in their system. Yet you paint this that WN is somehow out to "get" MSY.

There is a MASSIVE difference, and here it is: the other cities you mention did not have the service and lose it. What WN has effectively done at MSY is make a 50% cut in service. What other WN city has experienced the same in the last 2 years? I'm all ears if you have an answer. I think the answer is none. Is an airline's decision to cut 50% of its service solely to favor other cities in its network a reasonable basis for a passenger to gripe? If you think not, I'd like to hear why not.
 
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:56 am

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 32):
Yet you paint this that WN is somehow out to "get" MSY

Um, no. I really don't care what they do at this point. But don't expect me to support them. They shouldn't put up "we're with you, NOLA..." billboards around the city if they aren't planning on doing it. I just don't have a lot of respect for the airline anymore. Personal preference.

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 32):
Then why whenever this comes up is there this bitching against WN?

Why not bitch against them? Where's the harm?

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 32):
I'm sure you are emotional about it, but it is not at all a rational argument

Yes, it is. 100% rational. But like I said, I can see where people not from here might feel differently.
 
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:59 am

Quoting PExDCA (Reply 31):
Maybe they are leaving some market share for Air Gumbo to pick up?

Wow!! I hadn't thought about those guys for quite some time! Big grin
 
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Thu Feb 22, 2007 4:35 am

Quoting XJET (Reply 35):
Wow!! I hadn't thought about those guys for quite some time!

Oh you need to check out airgumbo.com then....they want to fly A330's to Europe now.
 
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Thu Feb 22, 2007 4:44 am

Quoting MSYguy (Reply 33):
There is a MASSIVE difference, and here it is: the other cities you mention did not have the service and lose it. What WN has effectively done at MSY is make a 50% cut in service. What other WN city has experienced the same in the last 2 years? I'm all ears if you have an answer. I think the answer is none. Is an airline's decision to cut 50% of its service solely to favor other cities in its network a reasonable basis for a passenger to gripe? If you think not, I'd like to hear why not.

Umm.. the other cities also did not have a MASSIVE decrease in their populations (and associated tourism) in the past two years. See the correlation?
 
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Thu Feb 22, 2007 4:45 am

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 36):
Oh you need to check out airgumbo.com then....they want to fly A330's to Europe now.

That is very interesting indeed! Has MSY ever had serivce across the Atlantic on a scheduled basis? I wonder where Air Gumbo would fly. CDG?
 
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Thu Feb 22, 2007 4:57 am

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 37):
Umm.. the other cities also did not have a MASSIVE decrease in their populations

The metro NOLA population has slipped from 1.5 million pre-K to 1.3 million currently. While such a decrease is noteworthy, it shouldn't be called a MASSIVE decrease.

As it relates to the MSY air travel market, recall that the majority of those 200,000 who have not returned lived in areas devastated by Katrina, and as it turned out, a great many of those areas were populated by people who wouldn't be as likely to travel by air.

The demand is here, guys.....and those of you who have access to such numbers will see that our load factors in and out of MSY prove it.

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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Thu Feb 22, 2007 4:57 am

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 37):
the other cities also did not have a MASSIVE decrease in their populations (and associated tourism) in the past two years.

The only massive decrese in population was from Orleans parish itself...and most of those displaced were not exactly frequent flyers. Metro area is at 86% pre-storm population, and the catchment area is about 96%. How's that massive? The tourism would be coming back faster if there were more flights to the area. Still, things are on the up and up.

Quoting XJET (Reply 38):
Has MSY ever had serivce across the Atlantic on a scheduled basis

National flew MSY-AMS/CDG with a DC10....BA flew MSY-LGW with a L15.
 
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:00 am

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 37):

Travelin Man, It's not worth it. Everyone else on this board realizes why WN chooses not to come back full strength to MSY, except for these few people. They can sit here an bitch all day (Which they frequently do) about how MSY warrants much more service before DEN,SFO, etc does, even though it's an obvious conclusion that the higher yielding passengers would come from other cities.. But in the end, 10 people refusing to fly WN out of MSY aint gonna make a difference to WN. They have walk-up fare business travelers in SFO to cater to.
 
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:00 am

Quoting MSYguy (Reply 33):
I think the answer is none. Is an airline's decision to cut 50% of its service solely to favor other cities in its network a reasonable basis for a passenger to gripe?

WN's decision to cut 50% at MSY isn't solely just to favor other cities. It's partially just because demand is lower at MSY.

And if WN can make more money or increase its long term strength by moving planes to other strategic markets, then it makes sense. If you haven't noticed, a race is on between WN and other LCC's to establish themselves in certain markets before other LCC's get too established. That race isn't occurring at MSY as WN is the lead LCC in MSY and no other LCC seems that gung-ho to challenge them.

And in reality, if WN really wants to retake MSY in the future, it won't be that hard to do. Despite the hurt feelings of some on this board, most consumers will fly whoever is cheapest and most convenient. And WN is the master at both (or at least making consumers think they are the master of both).
 
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:29 am

Quoting TransWorldSTL (Reply 41):
even though it's an obvious conclusion that the higher yielding passengers would come from other cities..

And you base that upon what? Do you work in revenue management for an airline?

Quoting TransWorldSTL (Reply 41):
10 people refusing to fly WN out of MSY aint gonna make a difference to WN.

Not at all. But it's more than 10. There's just 10 of us on this board.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 42):
And in reality, if WN really wants to retake MSY in the future, it won't be that hard to do. Despite the hurt feelings of some on this board, most consumers will fly whoever is cheapest and most convenient. And WN is the master at both (or at least making consumers think they are the master of both).

Well, again, this is sort of a different market here now, especially with the pending arrival of XJet and the increased CO presence, to an extent. People here don't need to rely on WN as much as they used to. When they flew 58 flights a day and had more than half of all departures from the airport, sure. But most carriers here are on a somewhat level playing field. Other carriers are generally matching WN's pricing on competing markets from here now. It is not like it used to be. And the consumers realize that.
 
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:36 am

Quoting TransWorldSTL (Reply 41):
Everyone else on this board realizes why WN chooses not to come back full strength to MSY,

For the umpteenth time....this is getting tiring....they can put the planes where they want to. It's their business to run. No one is questioning that. Just don't expect us to give thanks to WN for flying a whopping 24 trips a day out of here. They'll continue to get criticized on this board as well as here at the airport, trust me.
 
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:36 am

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 43):
even though it's an obvious conclusion that the higher yielding passengers would come from other cities..

And you base that upon what? Do you work in revenue management for an airline?

I guess revenue management at WN made that decision.
 
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:47 am

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 45):
I guess revenue management at WN made that decision.

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Absoultely they did. The airline's priorities have changed. They have chosen to move on to othe roppurtunities....perhaps not better oppurtunities, but other one's nonetheless.

BTW, the Southwest manager has missed the last three station manager's meeting's here. I guess she's busy repainting the billboards to say "We're still (kind of) with you, New Orleans, as you rebuild."
 
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:57 am

Quoting TransWorldSTL (Reply 41):
But in the end, 10 people refusing to fly WN out of MSY aint gonna make a difference to WN.

Actually chief, you can make that 9.....I haven't flown domestically on anybody other than Southwest since April of 1996.

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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:05 am

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 47):
Actually chief, you can make that 9.....I haven't flown domestically on anybody other than Southwest since April of 1996.

I knew you'd jump in, Tom.  Smile Remember that classic -300 flight to LAX that you took?

Needless to say there's not much excitement coming from B these days....except for the re-roofing project, and the visit by ThomsonFly.
 
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RE: CO To Add More MSY-EWR Service

Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:08 am

When I went to MSY, I rewarded NW with their 5 flight per day "dedication" to MSY  Smile
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