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LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:19 am

Article in Flight. LH threatens to move out of the EU over "green plan".
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...s-to-zurich-to-evade-eu-green.html
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:46 am

Quote:
"There is, however, nothing new in Lufthansa's position on emission trading. We are not against it per se, but there are so many other ways manufacturers, carriers and air traffic management could, with the help of politicians, achieve a reduction in emissions other than introducing this bureaucratic scheme."


Interesting. So basically, they try to forcefeed this bureaucratic nonsense down the airlines' throats rather than to research engineering and scientific studies to reduce emission of pollutants.

Lufthansa... to leave Germany... and FRA is a massive hub for LH, not to mention, how many people work for LH in Frankfort and the several thousand other jobs impacted by the hub as well. A lose-lose situation if this happens if you ask me...

This would bring up a number of questions... instead of going to Germany, then all of the international traffic as well as domestic traffic would go through Zurich? (the majority of the traffic rerouted through Zurich is a given.) Would there be any international traffic left at FRA like JFK, IAD, BOS, PHL, DEN, LAX, SFO, ATL, or ORD flights? How about Asia traffic as well?

Talking about one heck of an altimatum... "Knock this off or we cripple Frankfort"
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:49 am

Well, and LH now has a problem of too many hubs in close proximity. They surely have a desire to reduce that footprint somewhat. The close proximity of OS' hub can't help.
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:49 am

Sounds like the EU is teaching a class called Socialism 101 and LH ain't buying it.
 
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:51 am

Will AF move to GVA, then? Big grin
 
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:53 am

Quoting JJJ (Reply 4):
Will AF move to GVA, then?

That's a different case entirely. LH already has authority to operate out of ZRH.
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:00 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 5):
That's a different case entirely. LH already has authority to operate out of ZRH.

Didn't know that, so there are no issues with 5th or 6th freedom rights?
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:00 am

It's a lot of bla-bla. Of course, they threaten to move their hub. But it won't happen. Between now and 2011, the European Union will put a lot of political pressure on Switzerland. The Swiss will reject, the EU will insist, the EU will give some goodies to Switzerland, like some extra CO2 allowance for the first 1 or 2 years, and they will join the program.

Actually, the CO2 emission trade isn't too bad for the airline industry. Compared to current issues like the ADP tax in the UK and proposed taxed in the Netherlands and Germany, the CO2 emission scheme is far favourable, as it offers an incentive to the airlines to operate better. They can actually DO something to minimize their costs. And, when they are operating very environmental-efficient, they can even earn money by selling their allowance to more poluting companies.
(I know, in the current draft this is blocked, but I don't expect that in the final version).

Airlines like easyJet are in favour of the system, read this for example: http://www.easyjet.com/EN/News/easyjet_environmental_strategy.html
 
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:02 am

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 6):
Didn't know that, so there are no issues with 5th or 6th freedom rights?

Not when they will be using the LX flight certificate.  Smile
 
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:05 am

Quoting JJJ (Reply 4):

Nice...Very funny

Quoting Joost (Reply 7):

The Swiss can do whatever they want! There is no way they would join the EU and let thier standard of living decline. They already have problems with immigrantion, no way they would open themselves up to more.

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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:32 am

From what i read, this won't affect FRA, but MUC. LH threatens to move a lot of their MUC operations to ZRH and basically kill two flies with one hit: the pollution fee and the proximity of two major hubs.

Quoting Joost (Reply 7):
It's a lot of bla-bla. Of course, they threaten to move their hub. But it won't happen. Between now and 2011, the European Union will put a lot of political pressure on Switzerland. The Swiss will reject, the EU will insist, the EU will give some goodies to Switzerland, like some extra CO2 allowance for the first 1 or 2 years, and they will join the program.

LOL! Do you really think the EU is in the position to put pressure on us? They may try to put pressure on us, but it's not going to help them, all it will do is bad publicity and basically make sure that the Swiss will reject to join the EU on the next vote. And your CO2 "goodie" is a bit flawed aswell, as Switzerland's yearly CO2 emissions are far lower than a lot of EU countries's.
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:36 am

Quoting XJET (Reply 3):
Sounds like the EU is teaching a class called Socialism 101 and LH ain't buying it.

No, but don't let reality distract you from your opinion...  Yeah sure

Quoting USflysagain (Reply 9):
The Swiss can do whatever they want! There is no way they would join the EU and let thier standard of living decline. They already have problems with immigrantion, no way they would open themselves up to more.

The Swiss cannot do quite all they want - they're not only in the EU's common aviation market, they're also joining the Schengen area, so they're not quite as free in making some decisions as some seem to think...

And could you perhaps drop the 'let thier (sic) standard of living decline' nonsense??
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:39 am

Quoting Leskova (Reply 11):
No, but don't let reality distract you from your opinion...

And what reality is there that would distract me?
 
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:41 am

haha... LH operating out of ZRH. I'm sorry but the idea sounds silly. FRA is a huge city, with lots of O/D traffic as well as connecting traffic. ZRH just couldnt handle it all. It just isnt feasible. Coupld they move a small proportion of their traffic to ZRH, sure... but a big chunk? Probably not. I believe that this is just as the title says: a threat.

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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:46 am

Of course it is only a threat and will never happen in this way. But what I like is that LH is aware that the ZRH hub can be quite important and should not be given up in the next few years. I hope that they apply pressure on the German Governement regarding the approach procedures in Zurich.
 
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:48 am

Unfiortunately, ZRH does not have the capacoity to handle all of the potential traffic.

Mayrhuber has brought it down exactly to the point - instead of extorting more and more money from consumers by raising all kind of BS taxes the politicians should do their homework and get single skies finally started. We have a single market in the EU since years but 1 meter above the ground its borders like centuries ago. The single sky could save 8 to 12 percent co² emissions immediately. It would save consumers and airlines lots of money in saved fuel and salaries and depreciation of investments.

A CEO of a successful airline that is a world market leader and creating thousands of jobs every year, a good number of those in Munich and still even in capacity restricted FRA must be a world class diplomat when he is faced with daily new phantasies like CO² taxes, problems with getting a new build in FRA, threatening night curfews etc. This is like putting aq 50 kgs rucksack on the back of a 100 meter sprinter in an Olympic competition.

Politicians who impose all that instead of doing their work properly are just plain I**ots, unfortunately, Mr,. Mayrhuber cannot say that.
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:58 am

Quoting Leskova (Reply 11):
And could you perhaps drop the 'let thier (sic) standard of living decline' nonsense??

was that supposed to mean sick? what is your problem with us?
 
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:00 am

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 16):
was that supposed to mean sick? what is your problem with us?

[sic] is a Latin term used to indicate that the preceding word may be used awkwardly or spelled incorrectly beucase it is quoting someone. Basically it shows the writers intentional misspelling or incorrect verbage.

Origin of Sic

[Edited 2007-02-20 19:03:17]
 
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:00 am

Quoting AA777 (Reply 13):
haha... LH operating out of ZRH. I'm sorry but the idea sounds silly. FRA is a huge city, with lots of O/D traffic as well

well, O&D ex ZRH isn't that bad either, although the even richer Geneva area residents seem to have passed them last year. I have been standing at the baggage belt in FRA many times with only a small number of people, even when the flight was on a 747.

The fact that Switzerland will join Schengen and has signed the air agreement with the EU does not mean that it has to join emissions trading as well. Mayruber's point simply is, that a passenger flying from Hamburg to Singapore via FRA has to pay an emissions tax, whereas the same passenger flying via DXB does not have to pay a cent. If politicians and EU bureaucrats don't get that simple message, they should shut up or go back to school.

When Mayruber says that they could route some longhaul flights via ZRH, he simply does what a wise business man has to do, run always three steps ahead of the bureaucraft trying to stop you.
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:14 am

The article is talking about moving more flights out of MUC not FRA. It would make sense as the carbon plan would give an unfair advantage to airlines from outside of the EU on long haul international flights. LH would most likely reroute the connections too, many international destinations through ZRH and local (EU) connections through FRA (or MUC?), if I understand the article correctly.

The reason airlines like Easyjet are for it, is because they would only compete on routes within the EU and still have a "fair" playing field, while LH would have an "unfair" playing field on international routes.
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:22 am

I don´t think this is serious , it´s just one of the Mayrhuber menaces .
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:36 am

Quoting Flyorski (Reply 19):
The reason airlines like Easyjet are for it, is because they would only compete on routes within the EU and still have a "fair" playing field, while LH would have an "unfair" playing field on international routes.

The other reason that easyJet would be in favor of the emission trading scheme is that it would raise the overall costs, which will raise ticket prices across the board, which in turn causes customers to be more price sensitive, giving the Easyjets and Ryanairs more of the market share.

Don't think there is any altruism involved with any of the participants, including the politicians.
 
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:38 am

Quoting USflysagain (Reply 9):
The Swiss can do whatever they want! There is no way they would join the EU and let thier standard of living decline.



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 10):
LOL! Do you really think the EU is in the position to put pressure on us? They may try to put pressure on us, but it's not going to help them, all it will do is bad publicity and basically make sure that the Swiss will reject to join the EU on the next vote.

I'm not stating they can tell Switzerland what to do. I'm also not saying they want Switzerland to join the EU. What I do say, is that they want Switzerland to join the CO2 emission trading scheme on a individual basis, just like Switzerland is involved in many other individual agreements, like Shengen.

The vast majority of Swiss export goes to European Union countries and the most important trade partners of Switzerland are EU countries. Why would Switzerland not join the CO2 scheme, when it would only worsen the relationships with their most important economic partners, pollute the Swiss environment, in order to help a GERMAN company to make large profits? I don't buy it.
 
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:58 am

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 15):
The single sky could save 8 to 12 percent co² emissions immediately. It would save consumers and airlines lots of money in saved fuel and salaries and depreciation of investments.

No doubt that the single sky is a very good thing. Downside with respect to CO2 emissions: as cost would lower, the price of aviation can drop further, making it even more competitive (compared to train, car), causing more flights, offsetting the gains within a couple of years.

Having said that, I'm absolutely in favour of the single sky, as the current situation is plane waste of fuel, money and environment. But it isn't a structural solution for CO2 (and other GHG) emissions.

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 10):
And your CO2 "goodie" is a bit flawed aswell, as Switzerland's yearly CO2 emissions are far lower than a lot of EU countries's.

Have you considered the word "trading" in Emission trading system?

In the draft proposals for the trading systems, current airlines would get a certain allowance for free to start with. What they need more, they need to buy it from the market. What they have in surplus, they can sell to competitors. If Swiss airline companies would receive a wide CO2 allowance, they can just sell it.
 
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:51 am

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 16):
was that supposed to mean sick? what is your problem with us?

None at all - the only problem I have is with that nonsense some keep writing about the EU.

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 20):
I don´t think this is serious , it´s just one of the Mayrhuber menaces .

That, I'd say, pretty much sums it up. While there's a very theoretical possibility that this might happen, I'd say that it would only have even the slightest chance if ZRH were massively expanded: just imagine LH trying to route even half of their longhauls currently going through MUC through ZRH - just wouldn't work.

Quoting Joost (Reply 22):
Why would Switzerland not join the CO2 scheme, when it would only worsen the relationships with their most important economic partners, pollute the Swiss environment, in order to help a GERMAN company to make large profits?

Interestingly, the Swiss seem to be in an ironic situation here - obviously, they could use this as a bargaining tool with Germany to resolve the questions regarding the northern approach routes into ZRH - but they'd have to rely on LH not suddenly deciding to change their minds (if, indeed, LH ever went into planing stages for such a move). If, for the cost of joining the CO2 scheme, they'd negotiate a better contract than the current, rather ridiculous, situation, they'd be improving the situation for ZRH on the one hand, but also removing the competetive advantage by joining the trading scheme. If they chose to stay outside of the scheme, they'd run the risk that non-European/non-EU carriers would send their modern equipment to airports within the EU to reduce their cost exposure there, while sending not-that-modern/low-in-pollution equipment to ZRH.

Problem is that whenever they help that German company, they're also securing Swiss jobs at the same time... while doing something that hurts LH will also hurt LX in the end...
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:51 am

There's an empty threat if I've ever seen one, LOL
Somehow I don't thing the cost advanatage of skipping the emisions tax, would compare very favorable with the losses from operating a hub in the newest, most efficient airport in Europe (MUC) with a large amount of *A connections to other points in both Europe and the World. What is the guy smoking?
 
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:17 am

some of the posts here seem to suggest LH has a 'problem' on their hands with the proximity of their hubs... they've just announced $1.1 billion in annual profits representing a 77% increase over '05...
it kind of reminds me of all the doomsdayers who predicted ZRH would become a feeder city for FRA and MUC once LH takes over while in fact ZRH is being built up as an equal hub in its own right and the implementation of Shengen will only help increase traffic... all 3 hubs have their own strengths and rely on the other 2 for their weaknesses - what a great business model!
AF and KL with the proximity of CDG and AMS? Same thing and they are reporting ever growing profits as well...

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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:24 am

LH was threatened to move to AMS, ... (1990s)
then it was threatened to move its operations over to MUC, ...(2000beginners)
then onwards to BBI ...(If they hadn't those huge problems over there)
and now they are threatened to move to ZRH  crowded  .

Oh man, theses things from Mayrhuber are nothing more than very hot air.
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:28 am

would they really have to move many flights, or could they do more of a "paper" move for the HQ and get the same benifits of telling the EU to sod off.
 
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:24 am

Quoting Lumberton (Thread starter):
LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

And the midnight news on RTL just ridiculed Lufthansa for that!  rotfl 

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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:47 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 29):
And the midnight news on RTL just ridiculed Lufthansa for that!

I wonder if they'll still laugh if it will really happen  Silly
 
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:59 am

Maybe you should not raise passenger fees 4 Francs in July then Big grin
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:31 am

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 31):
Maybe you should not raise passenger fees 4 Francs in July then

That's not gonna hurt LH so i dont think they'd really care Big grin
 
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:43 am

A new LX? Maybe swissair isn't dead! I don't know if I buy it, but it seams stupid for a flag carrier to operate outside of it's country.
 
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:46 pm

why does LH have the rights to operate out of Zurich?? How did swiss air allow this??

also why is switzerland want to be so different?? Why dont they join the EU, its not like the standard of living there is low or anything, like it is between USA AND mexico
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:59 pm

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 34):
why does LH have the rights to operate out of Zurich?? How did swiss air allow this??

Maybe because LH owns a large percentage or if not, all of LX.
 
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:06 pm

Quoting Joost (Reply 22):
I'm not stating they can tell Switzerland what to do. I'm also not saying they want Switzerland to join the EU.

Actually, the EU wants Switzerland to join them. I think you know that each country of the EU has to pay a "fare" based on their PIB (french for Produit Intérieur Brut) translated gives "the money generated in the country for a year". Which is 1% of the PIB. That's why they hardly want Switzerland to join because our PIB is enormous !
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:53 pm

Quoting Joost (Reply 7):
It's a lot of bla-bla. Of course, they threaten to move their hub. But it won't happen. Between now and 2011, the European Union will put a lot of political pressure on Switzerland. The Swiss will reject, the EU will insist, the EU will give some goodies to Switzerland, like some extra CO2 allowance for the first 1 or 2 years, and they will join the program.

 checkmark  Couldnt agree more, Swiss was forced already to adept almost every European standard in the last years.

Quoting Leskova (Reply 11):
The Swiss cannot do quite all they want - they're not only in the EU's common aviation market, they're also joining the Schengen area, so they're not quite as free in making some decisions as some seem to think...

 checkmark  Indeed, and also lot here seem to forget < 90% of all imported,exported products come throug EU and go to it. Also i think we can assume big parts of Swiss Airspace will be incorporated in Eurocontrol.

Quoting HBJZA (Reply 36):
That's why they hardly want Switzerland to join because our PIB is enormous !Hope Switzerland doesn't join EU !

Dont want to go to far offtopic but with the money we waste on our  mad sh*t military we could pay this easily. At least being a member of the EU our vote would count unlike now.
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:54 pm

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 34):
why does LH have the rights to operate out of Zurich?? How did swiss air allow this??

Swissair or Swiss Air stopped operating in 2002. The airline that resulted out of its demise was and is an airline operating as SWISS International Air Lines (LX).

About two years ago, Lufthansa (LH) stepped in and bought the airline, as it was losing a lot of money and would not have made it without a strong partner airline. Why did they allow this? Simple, the LH/LX partnership has proven to be extremely successful so far.

And LH has the rights to operate out of Zurich, since bilateral agreements between Switzerland and the EU - which allow an EU airline to run any flights from an EU country to Switzerland and a Swiss airline to run flights between two EU countries - let them do so.
 
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:04 pm

never gonna happen though.

People in Frankfurt or Munich, will not be happy transfering in ZRH. Additionally, all the crew and hq is in Germany. Plus, ZRH can't handle the traffic that is in FRA and MUC.

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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:04 pm

Quoting Aviationmaster (Reply 38):

And LH has the rights to operate out of Zurich, since bilateral agreements between Switzerland and the EU - which allow an EU airline to run any flights from an EU country to Switzerland and a Swiss airline to run flights between two EU countries - let them do so.

Correct, but I think they were talking mainly about internatinal -not EU- flights that are allegedly to be moved from muc to zrh. LH does not per se have traffic rights for these routes, but LX does.... And remeber who LX belongs to... Right!

I Suppose they could basically do an LH flight with LH aircraft under LX traffic rights. And then again, they could just fly it under LX's flag as well...
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:30 pm

Added to this, actually, an eventual takeover by a strong partner airline, was

Quoting SwissA330 (Reply 40):
I Suppose they could basically do an LH flight with LH aircraft under LX traffic rights. And then again, they could just fly it under LX's flag as well...

They would need to use LX flight numbers, and operate through the legal Swiss entity. The paint at the aircraft doesn't matter at all, so they can use LH planes.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 39):
People in Frankfurt or Munich, will not be happy transfering in ZRH. Additionally, all the crew and hq is in Germany. Plus, ZRH can't handle the traffic that is in FRA and MUC.

That's right. Although I expect that we will see an increase in ZRH flights anyways between now and 2020, just because FRA cannot handle the traffic anyways. In 2012 already, airport capacity in the business centers will be extremely scarce, be it LHR/LGW/STN, AMS, FRA, MUC, CDG/ORY or whatever airport. But that's a completely different subject.
 
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:04 pm

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 32):
That's not gonna hurt LH so i dont think they'd really care

Swiss is not happy at all with the taxes Unique charges...and an increase won't change that...

Switzerland decided to regulate the relation to the European Union with a bunch of contracts (bilateral agreements). That means that all further negociations with the European Union will result in a "give me something and you will get something too"-system. Switzerland will come under severe pressure for sure. Just look at what happens with the Swiss tax system right now. If Switzerland wants to keep it's tax system, they need to give something for that...like joining the emission trading (just an example though but that's how it will work in general). That said: I am 100% sure that Switzerland will join the emission trading.

By the way: Germanwings chief is threatening Stuttgart airport to leave completely if they don't expand the airport Big grin ...Oh yeah...sure

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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:29 pm

Quoting Joost (Reply 23):
But it isn't a structural solution for CO2 (and other GHG) emission

Neither is a tax on top of the many other taxes, especially not when such a tax is only imposed on carriers who are already forerunners in environmentally advanced aircraft.

Mayrhuber's remark was smart by remiding EU bureaucrats that single actions by the EU are contraproductive and doesnot help the EU airlines when they have to compete globally. The EU should get involved with the ICAO dri
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:48 pm

Quoting Joost (Reply 41):
Although I expect that we will see an increase in ZRH flights anyways between now and 2020

Without a dought, but it's not logical, in fact it's plain stupid to move everything from FRA/MUC to ZRH

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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:58 pm

I don't see LH destroying its MUC hub - in fact, it's still growing nicely. Especially this year there are many new longhaul flights - DEN, ICN/PUS, JNB (flown by SA - codeshare). You can't really move it all to ZRH...
Exceptions confirm the rule.
 
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:22 pm

Mayrhubes did not mean to move any hub entirely to Zurich. It is just they he reminds everybody that they could also grow in ZRH instead of FRA or MUC; cirtaily under the LX brand. You will not see any LH flight from ZRH to JFK!

Another question to me what makes Mr Mayrhuber to expect that Switzerland will not join the EU green house gas reduction target?
In general the Swiss are more environmental conscious than most other European countries. Just ask any German or Dutch lorry driver....
 
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:25 pm

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 46):

You're right, but this is the wrong forum...
Exceptions confirm the rule.
 
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:52 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 49):
ICAO and not the EU commission is the right authority to act in this matter.

We should not wait till the last corner of the world agrees....

If the EU bureaucrats do it right and also charge foreign carriers (as said they said they wanna do), I don't see what the advantage of Switzerland would be.
It made quite a bit of a headline here in Australia when the EU mentioned that it might be quite possible that everybody who does not fulfill the EU CO2 laws in its own country might have to face additional taxes on its product to euqual this 'unfair' advantage.
 
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RE: LH Threatens To Move Hub To Zurich

Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:53 pm

Quoting XJET (Reply 3):
Sounds like the EU is teaching a class called Socialism 101 and LH ain't buying it

Sounds like time for the refresher of 8th grade Social Studies class. Either we're having a bit of trouble with the terms or someone spellchecked with the Ronald Reagan dictionary.  Smile

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