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Travelling As A Passenger In A CX Cargo Plane

Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:59 am

I was reading Barron's this weekend and there was an article about why Chinese Airspace is so crowded resulting in huge delays and excess fuel burn. It basically discussed the difference in regulations between China and the western nations like tail to nose distance, vertical separation, horizontal separation etc.

In passing, the author mentioned that to avoid the long delays because of congestion, business passengers between HKG and PEK prefer to take the 0325 flight eventhough it is a cargo plane and departs at an inconvenient time. This way they can beat the congestion and apparently this flight has a good track record on punctuality.

CX2034 HKG 03:25 PEK 06:30 0 03:05 330

I was surprised to know that Cargo flights carry passengers as well. Is this normal with other airlines?
 
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RE: Travelling As A Passenger In A CX Cargo Plane

Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:06 am

I think you will find it is belly cargo. One reason for selecting the 330 was that it was good as a FR hauler without PAX.
 
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RE: Travelling As A Passenger In A CX Cargo Plane

Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:07 am

Very interesting...

Do they just use crew/courier seats?
 
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RE: Travelling As A Passenger In A CX Cargo Plane

Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:45 am

DHL used to charter the belly space on CX A340/A330 night flights and entire cabins were empty. CX, I believe, used the flights for training.
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RE: Travelling As A Passenger In A CX Cargo Plane

Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:45 am

its a regular passenger A330 but its scheduled at that time to run freight (in the belly holds) but they sell the seats too.
 
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RE: Travelling As A Passenger In A CX Cargo Plane

Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:56 am

These run at night both Cathay and Dragonair used to operate these flights for DHL but I'm not sure if they (the airline) advertised these flights and I dont think they show up on schedules.

CX used to operate a SIN/HKG/SIN rotation at night nicknamed the 'morning dragon, last out of SIN and first back in next am.
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RE: Travelling As A Passenger In A CX Cargo Plane

Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:57 am

Subsituted on heavier routes now with Air Hong Kong A300F
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RE: Travelling As A Passenger In A CX Cargo Plane

Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:01 am

Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 5):
but I'm not sure if they (the airline) advertised these flights and I dont think they show up on schedules.

CX2034 is listed on their website for passenger travel.
 
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RE: Travelling As A Passenger In A CX Cargo Plane

Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:07 am

Out here Freighters can only carry Licenced personnell or Directors of the Airline concerned.
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RE: Travelling As A Passenger In A CX Cargo Plane

Thu Feb 22, 2007 4:34 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 8):
Out here ...

Is this in India? Are there regulations that dictate this?
 
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RE: Travelling As A Passenger In A CX Cargo Plane

Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:30 am

Cargo aircraft (like B74F/B74Y/M1F) will only take passengers as;

- substiture/deadhead flightcrew
- airline staff on duty (e.g. cargo staff/loadmaster etc.)
- other passengers, only being of importance to attend a specific cargo shipment on board

This is a basic rule and used by most common airline companies operating cargo aircraft.

It's absolutely not common, and mostly not allowed to take revenue passengers onboard of cargo aircraft.

1) the aircraft/flight will loose the status 'Cargo Aircraft' and this may cause difficulties when carrying some dangerous goods.
2) airline companies usually don't have traffic rights to transport revenue passengers on their cargo flights.
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