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Fri Feb 23, 2007 5:33 am

Fortunately there is a bilateral in place already so we don't have to wait for anybody to decide whether or not this is "good for Canada."

Air New Zealand Announces New Non-Stop Service Between Vancouver and Auckland

Beginning in November of this year, Air New Zealand will launch non-stop flights between Vancouver, Canada and Auckland, New Zealand. With the announcement of this new international route, Air New Zealand is making a significant step in its focus on strengthening its trans-Pacific network.

The service will initially operate between November 2, 2007 and March 28, 2008 to coincide with the peak travel season between the two destinations, allowing Canadians to escape the snow by enjoying outdoor adventures in New Zealand's warmest summer months and giving Kiwis an opportunity to head north and take advantage of some of the best ski slopes in the world.

"We are committed to creating at least one new long haul international destination each year and Vancouver proved an ideal strategic fit, due in part to Canada's thriving economy," said Roger Poulton, Air New Zealand Vice President - the Americas. "At any one time, we have more than 20 routes under consideration as part of our long-term strategy to grow the airline."

Last year, Air New Zealand became one of the select carriers to offer round-the-world flights with the announcement of its non-stop flights between London and Hong Kong completing the loop; and in 2005, the airline widened its west coast gateway with non-stops flights from San Francisco to Auckland.

"In 2006, Canadians set a new record with 46,000 travelers visiting New Zealand, which marks an increase of more than 10,000 visitors in just a little more than five years," said Bruce Lahood, Tourism New Zealand Vice President for North America. "But even more importantly, according to a survey focused on Canadian travelers in January of 2006, 99 percent returned home satisfied with their vacation to New Zealand and more than 95 percent would recommend the destination to their friends, family and colleagues."

Air New Zealand is going to help make that recommendation even more appealing with three non-stop flights each week between Vancouver and Auckland. The new route reduces travel time to a little over 14 hours, whereas previous itineraries from Vancouver to New Zealand totalled an average of around twenty hours. Now, passengers will be treated to a luxuriously direct flight aboard Air New Zealand's new fleet of Boeing 777-200ERs, which feature lie-flat beds, vast entertainment options and award-winning food and wine. Star Alliance partner Air Canada will also be code sharing on this service.

Flight schedules from Vancouver will leave on Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays and are designed to meet the needs of both business and leisure passengers with an early evening departure time.

This new service will provide a convenient one-stop route for Canadians travelling to many Australian destinations and will minimize the requirement of transiting through the U.S.

Air New Zealand will operate the following schedule from Vancouver to Auckland, subject to timeslot, capacity and regulatory approvals:

Flight number Schedule

NZ83 Departs Vancouver 1830
Arrives Auckland 0600(a)

NZ84 Departs Auckland 1915
Arrives Vancouver 1200

(a) Note - The average length of the flight is around 14 hours,
however, due to time differences, arrival in New Zealand is two days
later than departure date.

Tickets are available beginning today with prices starting at CAD$1498 (excludes airport tax and fuel surcharges). For more information or to book online, please visit www.airnewzealand.com.
 
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 8:06 am

It was only a matter of time. Im surprised it took them this long.
It is what it is...
 
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 8:10 am

So, their 8 777-200ERs are going to be used on AKL-YVR and AKL-LAX-LHR. Anything else?
 
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 8:26 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 2):
AKL-LAX-LHR

From what I heard, that will be reverting back to a 744 by that time

So the 744s will be (from what I hear) AKL-LAX-LHR return, AKL-HKG-LHR return, and AKL-LAX (I think)

The 777s will be AKL-PVG return, AKL-NRT return, AKL-YVR return, AKL-SFO return.

Someone clear this up for me, but I think thats how things will pan out

[Edited 2007-02-23 00:27:54]
 
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 9:16 am

I am very surprised to see that Air New Zealand is using a 777 for this route. This is odd due to the fact that most every trans-pacific flight is on 747. Wow
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 9:23 am

I notice here that they are going to fly 3x per week.

Would it not be wiser for them to fly daily and continue the flight to YYZ or ORD or JFK? Or will the cost of a stopover nullify the advantages of a second destination?
 
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 9:25 am

This sure is a surprise. I thought it was all talk and no action. Interesting to see AC code-share on the route,not that AC would have any real reservations. This news has me starting to think about the viability of AC planned YYZ-LAX-SYD service as it's starting to get a little crowded with the announcement of DJ entering the trans-Pacific market next year.
 
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 9:26 am

Quoting Collin260 (Reply 4):
This is odd due to the fact that most every trans-pacific flight is on 747. Wow

NZ2 AKL-LAX-LHR - 777 (seasonally)
NZ6 AKL-LAX - 777 (seasonally)
NZ8 AKL-SFO - 777 (seasonally)
NZ21 NAN-LAX - 763
NZ28 PPT-LAX - 763
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 10:03 am

Quoting AKLDELNonstop (Reply 5):
I notice here that they are going to fly 3x per week.

I do not see it loaded onto their schedule.

Any new news on the HNL route? Do they plan on keeping that route still?
 
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 10:36 am

Quoting 9252fly (Reply 6):
I thought it was all talk and no action. Interesting to see AC code-share on the route,not that AC would have any real reservations

I'm a bit puzzled by this comment? Why would you think AC would not be doing any codeshare bookings on this flight?

Quoting 9252fly (Reply 6):
This news has me starting to think about the viability of AC planned YYZ-LAX-SYD service as it's starting to get a little crowded with the announcement of DJ entering the trans-Pacific market next year.

Canadian tourism to Australia is growing too, so I suspect it will be able to hold its own. What will be interesting to see is if the YVR-HNL-SYD flight is dropped, in favour of routing all AC traffic through its growing base at LAX.
 
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 10:37 am

Quoting Planetime (Reply 8):
Any new news on the HNL route? Do they plan on keeping that route still?

No announcement to drop it and the 763's aren't leaving the fleet any time soon, but the AKL-YVR route is non-stop not just direct. People still want to visit Hawai'i and Hawai'ians still want to visit New Zealand.

Quoting Collin260 (Reply 4):
This is odd due to the fact that most every trans-pacific flight is on 747.

Odd? AKL-SFO is with a 772ER and quite often the AKL-LAX and AKL-LAX-LHR routes are serviced with 772ER's. Why would they start a new route (with a minimum of 3 weekly flights; standard NZ policy) risking the extra capacity and thirst of a venerable, but aging 744?

Quoting AKLDELNonstop (Reply 5):
Would it not be wiser for them to fly daily and continue the flight to YYZ or ORD or JFK?

The wisdom that NZ seem to be working to is the demand for travel between YVR and AKL as well as the greater areas these airports service; they appear confident of filling the plane without an extra leg. In the press release, it mentions that inbound Canadian tourism has increased to over 46,000 travelers in '06 a new record and an increment of over 20% in five years. YYZ will be codeshared by alliance partner AC and JFK may well be served direct non-stop once the 787-9 starts in service. In the meantime, there are daily codeshare flights to all three ports from LAX and SFO with UA and CA. Until NZ can serve them direct, what's the advantage?

Regards and all my humble opinion.
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[Edited 2007-02-23 03:03:24]
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 10:50 am

Excellent news!

So it seems that for a start it will be a seasonal route. The most surprising thing to me is that the flight will be non stop and not via NAN.
 
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 11:00 am

Quoting TG992 (Reply 7):
Quoting Collin260 (Reply 4):
This is odd due to the fact that most every trans-pacific flight is on 747. Wow

NZ2 AKL-LAX-LHR - 777 (seasonally)
NZ6 AKL-LAX - 777 (seasonally)
NZ8 AKL-SFO - 777 (seasonally)
NZ21 NAN-LAX - 763
NZ28 PPT-LAX - 763

And AC 763 YVR-HNL-SYD. And there are many trans-pacific flights across the North and Central Pacific to/from Japan, Korea and the rest of Asia on types other than the 747.
 
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 11:12 am

Can the 777-200er make it without any payload restrictions? I guess it would but i thought it might have had some sort of restrictions on it.

But great news for NZ, great to see them expanding more.
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 11:16 am

AKL-YVR = 6121nm. Not a problem for the 777-200LR.

I wonder if this non-stop has to do with the hassles of transitting the United States.

I hope this route proves to be a success!!
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 11:18 am

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 13):
Can the 777-200er make it without any payload restrictions? I guess it would but i thought it might have had some sort of restrictions on it.

Full complement of passengers but a small freight penalty.
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 11:24 am

This is great news! In my opinion anything that removes the transit in LAX or SFO from The Great White North to the South Pacific is a major blessing. Transiting from AC in LAX was a pain, as was the whole CBP/HS hoop jumping. Should nicely drop the total transit time as well.
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 11:27 am

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 3):
So the 744s will be (from what I hear) AKL-LAX-LHR return, AKL-HKG-LHR return, and AKL-LAX (I think)

The 777s will be AKL-PVG return, AKL-NRT return, AKL-YVR return, AKL-SFO return.

Can someone confirm this?
 
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 11:41 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 17):
Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 3):
So the 744s will be (from what I hear) AKL-LAX-LHR return, AKL-HKG-LHR return, and AKL-LAX (I think)

The 777s will be AKL-PVG return, AKL-NRT return, AKL-YVR return, AKL-SFO return.


Can someone confirm this?

Pretty much. The 744's have to operate somewhere. Either they are on NZ5/6 to LAX or 7/8 to SFO next Northern Winter plus NZ1/2 LAX-LHR and NZ38/39 HKG-LHR.

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 14):
AKL-YVR = 6121nm. Not a problem for the 777-200LR.

These are 772ER's.
 
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 11:46 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 17):



Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 17):
Can someone confirm this?

For Northern summer schedule
NZ 1/2 will be operated by 744 equipment from June.
NZ 5/6 will revert to 772ER.
NZ 7/8 772ER (occasionally 744)
All japan flights 772 (daily NRT,4x weekly KIX with two of those flights via NRT)
NZ37/38 744
NZ87/88 772ER
NZ3/4 744/772ER
 
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 11:50 am

Quoting AKLDELNonstop (Reply 5):
Would it not be wiser for them to fly daily and continue the flight to YYZ or ORD or JFK? Or will the cost of a stopover nullify the advantages of a second destination?

No, NZ does not have enough spare capacity.

It is dissapointing to see that the route will only be seasonal and not year round. Why not have it year round and offer people better connections via Canada to New York?

I think this will be the longest route by Air NZ yet?
 
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 11:55 am

Quoting Drgmobile (Thread starter):
NZ84 Departs Auckland 1915
Arrives Vancouver 1200

Yay, more flights departing within the same 45minute time frame.
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:00 pm

Quoting ZKNZA (Reply 19):
NZ3/4 744/772ER

That flight is currently not listed to operate this winter, is it going to be?

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 20):
No, NZ does not have enough spare capacity.

Not really that, NZ could just very slightly rejig the schedules and extend the flight but as TG992 has said due to cost it is simply not viable.

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 20):
It is dissapointing to see that the route will only be seasonal and not year round. Why not have it year round and offer people better connections via Canada to New York?

I guess it could yet be year round, however NZ will see how it goes for a start.

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 20):
I think this will be the longest route by Air NZ yet?

Non stop yes, it is longer than LAX-SYD when they operated that route.
 
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:05 pm

Quoting ZKNZA (Reply 19):
NZ 5/6 will revert to 772ER.

A small matter of syntax, NZ5/6 has never been a -200ER so it cannot revert. More correctly it will change to -200ER.
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:12 pm

It will be interesting to watch and see how this route goes over the winter as to whether it will stay on for the northern summer '08. I know others will disagree but Fyfe and his team are certainly creating exciting times for NZ watchers.

Can we start guessing for the new route to be launched in '08?  Smile

Also the financials are reported Tuesday, a possible fleet announcement then?
 
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:21 pm

No offence taken sunrise valley ,I was supposed to put "...will begin to be operated by 777 equipment."

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 22):
Quoting ZKNZA (Reply 19):
NZ3/4 744/772ER

That flight is currently not listed to operate this winter, is it going to be?

I guess the capacity is not needed now due to AKL-HKG-LHR and AKLK-SFO,but dont be surprised to see it operate.
There do seem to be a few widebody aircraft sitting around in AKL not making money,though they tend to be those aircraft owned by AirNZ or on non-operating leases.
Also the 744 fleet is going through a Y+ expansion and A-check escalation to take advantage of the extended down time.
 
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:13 pm

Quoting Collin260 (Reply 4):
I am very surprised to see that Air New Zealand is using a 777 for this route. This is odd due to the fact that most every trans-pacific flight is on 747. Wow

The 777 is the next largest carrier of Pacific traffic.

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 14):
AKL-YVR = 6121nm. Not a problem for the 777-200LR.

or -200ER  Wink

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 14):
I wonder if this non-stop has to do with the hassles of transitting the United States.

Kiwis and Canadians don't have hassles transitting the US, so I don't think that would be it.

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 13):
Can the 777-200er make it without any payload restrictions? I guess it would but i thought it might have had some sort of restrictions on it.

Why would that be the case? The 772ER rated to 656,000 pounds (which is the case for NZ) has 500nm longer range than a standard 744.
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:36 pm

Quoting ZKNZA (Reply 25):
Also the 744 fleet is going through a Y+ expansion

When does that start?
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:44 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 26):
Why would that be the case? The 772ER rated to 656,000 pounds (which is the case for NZ) has 500nm longer range than a standard 744.

Well ive read that they couldnt do SYD-LAX without restrictions and i assume that Auckland to Canada would be a bit further than SYD-LAX. Im pretty sure i read it somewhere.

But its good they they are only going to suffer a small freight penalty.

Edit: It was UA's 777-200's that cant do SYD-LAX without heavy restrictions.

[Edited 2007-02-23 05:45:43]
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:49 pm

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 28):
Well ive read that they couldnt do SYD-LAX without restrictions and i assume that Auckland to Canada would be a bit further than SYD-LAX. Im pretty sure i read it somewhere.

SYD-LAX is 6507nm
AKL-YVR is 6121nm
 
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:23 pm

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 28):
Well ive read that they couldnt do SYD-LAX without restrictions

Not 656,000 pound ones. The United 772ERs are only rated to 648,000

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 28):
i assume that Auckland to Canada would be a bit further than SYD-LAX.

Much Closer

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 28):
But its good they they are only going to suffer a small freight penalty.

If that.
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:36 pm

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 28):
Well ive read that they couldnt do SYD-LAX without restrictions and i assume that Auckland to Canada would be a bit further than SYD-LAX. Im pretty sure i read it somewhere.

Well airnz.co.nz says it's going to be 13hrs and 45mins AKL-YVR and 14hrs and 30mins YVR-AKL - that is pretty long for NZ. Must be the longest non stop flight out of NZ, AR's EZE flight must come close though?
 
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:41 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 27):
Quoting ZKNZA (Reply 25):
Also the 744 fleet is going through a Y+ expansion

When does that start?

It's almost finished. Started a while ago now.

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Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:00 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 32):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 27):
Quoting ZKNZA (Reply 25):
Also the 744 fleet is going through a Y+ expansion

When does that start?

It's almost finished. Started a while ago now.

So what will the total Y+ seating be now?
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:24 pm

Great news for NZ, New Zealand and also Canada.
The route is only seasonal and 3 times per week? Is this correct? Is their no demand for daily flight´s or is Air New Zealand spare of aircrafts? Is their a chance that NZ will upgrade this flight to a daily route, if the 3 pw service is sucsessfull and the B787 will arrive in NZ fleet.
 
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:26 pm

Quoting CrazyHorse (Reply 34):
The route is only seasonal and 3 times per week? Is this correct? Is their no demand for daily flight´s or is Air New Zealand spare of aircrafts? Is their a chance that NZ will upgrade this flight to a daily route, if the 3 pw service is sucsessfull and the B787 will arrive in NZ fleet.

Remember, this is how it all started with NZ's AKL-SFO service. If it is successful, they will upgrade in due time. This route is, however, tailor made for the 787.
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:58 pm

Quoting CrazyHorse (Reply 34):
The route is only seasonal and 3 times per week? Is this correct?

I know! It's ridiculous that the route will only be operated for 4 and a bit months! Will it re-open in November 2008 aswell or not? I think NZ is missing out on alot by not going year round.

Quoting CrazyHorse (Reply 34):
Is their no demand for daily flight

Yes, there is no demand for daily services, yet. PVG will be upgraded, if anything, first. Something tells me though, that with the upgrading of PVG will come an extension of this service onwards to Europe (MAN/FRA) reducing spare capacity even more. This leaves me with the conclusion that NZ will retain their 3x weekly services, and in due time, AC will also provide 3x weekly flight once they recieve their 772LR's.
 
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:59 pm

Quoting AKLDELNonstop (Reply 5):
I notice here that they are going to fly 3x per week.

Would it not be wiser for them to fly daily and continue the flight to YYZ or ORD or JFK? Or will the cost of a stopover nullify the advantages of a second destination?

Even if they'd like to, they probably don't have enough aircraft to do daily given their fleet is pretty stretched (especially the 777). By going 3x weekly, NZ will only need to free up one of those 777-200 ER's as opposed to the 2 that would be needed if you were doing daily. Smart move on NZ's part, if it does well, perhaps they will take it daily.
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 5:09 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 36):
I know! It's ridiculous that the route will only be operated for 4 and a bit months! Will it re-open in November 2008 aswell or not? I think NZ is missing out on alot by not going year round.

I am not a expert, but I think this route could work year around easily. From Auckland NZ offers many routes to Australia, to Islands in the Pacific and also to other Asian city´s. Connecting through AKL is much easier than connecting through LAX or SFO.

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 36):
PVG will be upgraded, if anything, first. Something tells me though, that with the upgrading of PVG will come an extension of this service onwards to Europe (MAN/FRA) reducing spare capacity even more. This leaves me with the conclusion that NZ will retain their 3x weekly services, and in due time, AC will also provide 3x weekly flight once they recieve their 772LR's.

An extension of the PVG service onwards to Europe is a very interesting option and could work quite well for NZ. I think also MUC and AMS are option for their third european destination.
 
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 5:14 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 20):

No, NZ does not have enough spare capacity.

It is dissapointing to see that the route will only be seasonal and not year round. Why not have it year round and offer people better connections via Canada to New York?

I think this will be the longest route by Air NZ yet?



Quoting SQ452 (Reply 37):
Even if they'd like to, they probably don't have enough aircraft to do daily given their fleet is pretty stretched (especially the 777). By going 3x weekly, NZ will only need to free up one of those 777-200 ER's as opposed to the 2 that would be needed if you were doing daily. Smart move on NZ's part, if it does well, perhaps they will take it daily.

Thanks for the replies guys.

On the topic of NZ not having spare aircraft. I'd like to ask whether all their 744s are currently being used? Because I remember sometime back they had spare 744s which they were to lease to AI but that didn't happen.

And if they do have spare 744s what do they plan to do with them, because surely a/c sitting idle isn't going to earn them any money.

Also are we going to hear about new route announcements like PER, JNB or BOM anytime in the near future?

BTW, time for an NZ aviation thread me thinks.

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Fri Feb 23, 2007 5:28 pm

Quoting AKLDELNonstop (Reply 39):
And if they do have spare 744s what do they plan to do with them, because surely a/c sitting idle isn't going to earn them any money.

They do, there were 5 yes 5 on the ground at AKL today and Wednesday during the early evening. They will be back on NZ1/2 from June though which will still leave probably 3 on the ground during the day. From October it looks as though they may well be on NZ5/6 aswell which means 3 will depart each night, still will probably leave 2 on the ground during the day as 1 goes to BNE or MEL.
 
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Air New Zealand Announces Nonstop Service To Canada

Fri Feb 23, 2007 5:56 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 40):
still will probably leave 2 on the ground during the day as 1 goes to BNE or MEL.

Using a 744 to BNE or MEL terminator flights is just inefficiency IMO. They could definitely start atleast one long haul with their current capacity I think, apart from YVR.
 
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Air New Zealand Announces Nonstop Service To Canada

Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:05 pm

Quoting AKLDELNonstop (Reply 41):
Using a 744 to BNE or MEL terminator flights is just inefficiency IMO. They could definitely start atleast one long haul with their current capacity I think, apart from YVR.

The 744 is not a fuel efficient aircraft. Unless there is a route which can see them constantly filled, it may be more economical to let them sit on the ground at AKL?!
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Announces Nonstop Service To Canada

Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:18 pm

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 24):

It will be interesting to watch and see how this route goes over the winter as to whether it will stay on for the northern summer '08. I know others will disagree but Fyfe and his team are certainly creating exciting times for NZ watchers.

Can we start guessing for the new route to be launched in '08?

Also the financials are reported Tuesday, a possible fleet announcement then?

You could possibly be right regarding the fleet announcement, I spoke with Ed Sims today at the launch, he mentioned they have signed off the 4 extra B789 to take the total to 8, then went on to say they are looking at adding another 8! to take it up to 16!
Watch this space!!
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Announces Nonstop Service To Canada

Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:18 pm

Quoting AKLDELNonstop (Reply 41):
Using a 744 to BNE or MEL terminator flights is just inefficiency IMO. They could definitely start atleast one long haul with their current capacity I think, apart from YVR.

Most long haul flights get in the morning and leave in the evening, the BNE and MEL flights are now or will be extensions of the LAX/SFO flights somwtimes requiring a change of plane in AKL.

Quoting Cchan (Reply 42):
The 744 is not a fuel efficient aircraft. Unless there is a route which can see them constantly filled, it may be more economical to let them sit on the ground at AKL?!

I don't entirely agree with those that keep on saying that, when the 744 is constantly full particularly on long haul flights, it still has the lowest RPK ??of any aircraft in service today. NZ send them to BNE and in the past MEL and SYD, MEL now gets the 772.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Announces Nonstop Service To Canada

Fri Feb 23, 2007 8:05 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 44):

Most long haul flights get in the morning and leave in the evening, the BNE and MEL flights are now or will be extensions of the LAX/SFO flights somwtimes requiring a change of plane in AKL.

I am not referring to the MEL-AKL-LAX flight, which if I am not mistaken is by a 772.

I am referring to AKL-australia-AKL flights on 744s not the ones continuing to the US. For the short terminator flights do the 744s get filled and is it justified using them on those routes. Thats my question

Cheers
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Announces Nonstop Service To Canada

Fri Feb 23, 2007 8:51 pm

Quoting AKLDELNonstop (Reply 39):
Also are we going to hear about new route announcements like PER, JNB or BOM anytime in the near future?

PER ??? haven't they been flying to PER for something like 20 years ?

with regard to the other two destinations remember that they have said one new longhaul per year - both of those seem to me to be 787 routes so I wouldn't expect to hear anything for a while
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Announces Nonstop Service To Canada

Fri Feb 23, 2007 10:53 pm

Going to Vancouver nonstop is great for the Canadian market so often offered only one-stop service over LAX or Honolulu. I thought this was beyond the 772ER range and would have been a 787 route but good for ANZ to be able to do it with a 777.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Announces Nonstop Service To Canada

Fri Feb 23, 2007 11:07 pm

Quoting CrazyHorse (Reply 38):
Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 36):
I know! It's ridiculous that the route will only be operated for 4 and a bit months! Will it re-open in November 2008 aswell or not? I think NZ is missing out on alot by not going year round.

I am not a expert, but I think this route could work year around easily. From Auckland NZ offers many routes to Australia, to Islands in the Pacific and also to other Asian city´s. Connecting through AKL is much easier than connecting through LAX or SFO.

The seaonal service (and QF's similar sesonal extension from SFO) is a good indication of the extreme seasonality of Canada-South Pacific routes which has always made economic operations difficult.

The 3/week and temporary nature of the new NZ service won't be attractive to high-yield business traffic which will continue to favour daily connections via LAX/SFO which makes it easier to rebook when plans change or meetings end early etc. The relative sparsity of business traffic between Canada and the South Pacific has long been another problem making profitable operations difficult on these routes.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Announces Nonstop Service To Canada

Sat Feb 24, 2007 2:05 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 11):
So it seems that for a start it will be a seasonal route. The most surprising thing to me is that the flight will be non stop and not via NAN.

I'd go through YVR any day over LAX. I did the YYZ-LAX-AKL route just in November and would have loved to not deal with the US immigration/customs fun in and out.

Quoting Don81603 (Reply 16):
. Transiting from AC in LAX was a pain

I completely agree. I avoid LAX when I can. Unfortunately sometimes it is impossible. Being Canadian I would prefer to avoid USA for any transit.

As well, this opens up some new possibilities for New Zealander's transiting to Europe. YVR has direct flights to Europe on AC. I wonder if people will start to use that opportunity?

Next I am going to NZ I hopefully will go via YVR!