airpearl
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EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 1:11 am

In breaking news this evening, Reuters reported that the European Union is set to ban most of Pakistan International Airlines’ fleet from flying to the 27-nation bloc because of safety concerns.

The source said a committee of experts had decided to block all but seven planes (presumably the newly delivered B777s) of the airline’s 40-plane fleet from flying to Europe for failing to meet international safety standards.

“Only those seven will be allowed to make flights to European Union countries,” the source told Reuters. “The rest of the fleet will be blacklisted.”

The decision is likely to come into force in about 10 days, the source said.

Rather shocking news if it comes true!
 
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 1:21 am

Quoting Airpearl (Thread starter):
Rather shocking news if it comes true!

I wouldn't call it "shocking". If an airline fails to meet any country's standards and refuses to improve, I think it's the appropriate course of action....
 
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 1:30 am

Well Im shocked !!! PIA are a good airline . I want to see the details and individual incidents to back up this EU proposal.
 
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 1:58 am

 Confused

Hmmm. Strange as it was only a few of months ago when the EU gave the go-ahead to operate B743s into the EU.
I guess this ban will not only affect flights to LHR (B743) but other EU cities that are served with the A310. If this is true then PK really does ned to get it's act together as they will lose a lot of custom if they drop the EU destinations due to a lack of "safe" aircraft.
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 2:52 am

This is also going to hurt service to the US, as all of their flights to the US stopover in Europe IIRC.
 
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:05 am

PIA maintenance is not bad, this is indeed shocking.
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:17 am

Wait, I thought they had 'banned' the 743's from flying to the UK a while ago. This truly is shocking. Sam Chui posted a very cool TR on a PIA 743 recently.
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:28 am

Quoting Cba (Reply 4):
This is also going to hurt service to the US, as all of their flights to the US stopover in Europe IIRC.

If necessary, they could operate the flights via northern Africa.
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:33 am

Whats shocking is that it taking 10 days to ban them. If they are that bad they should be banned now!
 
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:38 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 7):

If necessary, they could operate the flights via northern Africa.

The question would be whether PK feels it has to move the 777s to serve major European markets rather than markets like Toronto or New York.
 
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:44 am

Shocking news, PIA has long been considered relatively safe.....
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 6:20 am

Wernt some of their jumbos recently banned?? They should have used that as a wake up call instead of getting further banned!!!
I guess this could mean some good news for emirates
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 6:45 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 2):
Well Im shocked !!! PIA are a good airline . I want to see the details and individual incidents to back up this EU proposal.

I agree. It never seemed to me that they had a bad reputation. There are other airlines that are far worse than PIA.

Hopefully whatever maintenance issue the EU found can be taken care of soon.
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 6:48 am

Around 1990 I went into a PIA 747 making a stop between JFK & Islamabad. I still remember it because I was shocked by the mess in the cockpit (magazines / manuals everywhere), all the indicators of non functioning systems (flying with the MEL) and the circus in the passenger cabin (several lavatories jammed, people sleeping in the aisles, lack of airco..

It is a long time ago, but a few new 777 don´t make a decent airline.
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 7:19 am

Quoting Flycro (Reply 8):
Whats shocking is that it taking 10 days to ban them

Yeahhhh---- Thats what I'm thinking!!!!!!!!!!
Whats up with that-----politics as usual?
I am really surprised as I have always concidered PI a "stand-up" operator, however I am also aware that "time can change everything".

Seems pretty simple to me----
If they are that bad then shut 'em down right now. Otherwise shut-up!
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 7:40 am

Yes, the PK B742's were banned a few months ago. They have had several incidents in particular
at MAN within the last couple of years. A couple of these have involved B777s as well if I recall.
The EU is not afraid to ban aircraft from respected airlines as well as from
countries that do not meet their strict standards.
DAS is one that is still trying to resolve their banned status.
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:02 am

Wow, never nice when a major international carrier faces poor safety perceptions. Think how long is took KE to get their acts together. I hope PK does something in the next 10 days to correct this situation or there will be a lot of US-Pakistan passengers changing airlines, and quick. I'm sure if the EU is going to place a ban than the Americans won't be far behind. Those 777's are going to get a workout!
 
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:11 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 7):

If necessary, they could operate the flights via northern Africa.

It would depend on whether the US thinks security arrangements in a north African country are sufficient.
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 12:09 pm

Quoting A342 (Reply 7):
If necessary, they could operate the flights via northern Africa.

The good old "southbound route"  Wink
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 12:37 pm

Quoting Cba (Reply 4):
This is also going to hurt service to the US, as all of their flights to the US stopover in Europe IIRC.
However all US flights are operated by the 777-200ER and 777-200LR, which are presumably among the seven aircraft that will be allowed in the EU.

Considering PIA currently has:

2 777-300ER
2 777-200LR
2 777-200ER (A 3rd Coming soon)

That makes seven aircraft.

[Edited 2007-02-24 04:39:24]
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 1:15 pm

Shocking to say the least !!!!
I'd certainly like to know the details. B742s and A300s were bad, no doubt but I don't see anything wrong with 743s and A310s.
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bilalaman
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 1:35 pm

Is it just air safety concerns of A310s & B742s? Or does the EU also consider PIA crew to lack airmanship and discipline?
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CXfirst
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 2:24 pm

If this is true, they better get some new planes in quickly, or lose a lot of money-making routes.

Where will they redirect their fleet?

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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 2:34 pm

Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 15):
A couple of these have involved B777s as well if I recall.

Yes they have...as recently as Feb 15 when a PIA 777 cliped another a/c while taxiing. This was the reason that there were two PIA 777's at MAN on Friday Feb 16. Spotters might have noticed around 11:00 UTC, one was at a gate, and the other was on the hard stand. The a/c on the hard stand was the one reportedly involved in the incident on 2/15. Sorry but I wasn't able to see the registration of the a/c involved in the incident.
 
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 2:57 pm

That airline is in need of a major overhaul anyway. Their aircraft are outdated and have experienced numerous small eqp. failures in the past few years. A310's and 743's are considered hand-me-down aircraft, for lack of a better word. I do like the 777s tho.
 
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:00 pm

Quoting B777A340Fan (Reply 1):
wouldn't call it "shocking". If an airline fails to meet any country's standards and refuses to improve, I think it's the appropriate course of action....

What did they fail? They fly basically the same type of aircraft as anyone else. They haven not had any of
their 747s or A310s crash.

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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:26 pm

Quoting YLWbased (Reply 5):
PIA maintenance is not bad, this is indeed shocking

Their Maintenace is well respected. Other Airlines have used PIA to do Maintenance.

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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:37 pm

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 6):
Sam Chui posted a very cool TR on a PIA 743 recently.

It was actually a 74M (B747-200 Combi), of which PK operate two. I am working in ISB next week and am thinking of ending the trip with a 74M flight ISB-BKK. I have already flown on a 743 of PIA which was very pleasant.

I am disappointed to hear of the EU ban on the majority of PK's fleet.

There were rumours a couple of months ago that the Luzair L1011-500 being overhauled in AMS was supposed to be going to PK on wet-lease for a while. Did anything ever come of this??
 
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:45 pm

Quoting Sayem55 (Reply 20):
B742s and A300s were bad, no doubt but I don't see anything wrong with 743s and A310s.

I don't see why you would see any difference. 747-200s and A300s properly maintained are just as safe as properly maintained 747-300s and A310s.

Those brand new 777s will be no safer if they are also not maintained properly.

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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:38 pm

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 28):
Those brand new 777s will be no safer if they are also not maintained properly

The problem is that they WILL be safter if not maintained properly... for a while. New planes don't require alot of the things high cycle/older aircraft need. So you can slack off for a bit and they don't fall out of the sky. The problem then arrives when it hasn't been kept up at all, its no longer got the "new plane smell", but no one yet is really watching for safety issues since it is new. My point is that being new is more dangerous after you get past that inital bit of extra safety that new frames usualy give you... if you are not keeping up with the letter of the regulations.
 
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 5:20 pm

Quoting A342 (Reply 7):

If necessary, they could operate the flights via northern Africa.

Well actually

Quoting Sebring (Reply 9):
The question would be whether PK feels it has to move the 777s to serve major European markets rather than markets like Toronto or New York.

Oh... what that guy said.

See now PK has to make certain choices, like what's more important: Manchester AND Paris, or Manchester AND New York... get what I'm saing (I'm just pulling this situation out of the blue)? Now factor in all the markets PIA serves in the EU, and you can see that there's a good possibility that US services get nixed.
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 5:48 pm

As reported today in Pakistan's Daily Times


A senior official at the Pakistan High Commission in London told the Pakistan International Airlines headquarters in Karachi that the European Union would bar all PIA aircraft, except for Boeing 777s, from flying to 27 European countries after March 8 because of safety concerns.

“We have been told that except for the PIA fleet’s seven Boeing 777s, all other planes will not be allowed to operate in the EU bloc after March 8,” PIA sources told Daily Times while terming the EU’s reported move as “shocking and confusing”.

The sources said that a seven-member Pakistani team of PIA and Civil Aviation officials had just returned from Brussels, where they made a “successful” presentation to the EU’s Air Safety Commission on February 22. They said that in addition to this, last week, a three-member European Air-Safety Committee expressed satisfaction with the measures taken by the airline to improve safety. “The team carried out an audit of our facilities and found that everything was in order.” Asked whether the airline would subject its aircraft to the Safety Assessment of Foreign Aircraft Programme, they said the EU decision had created a lot of confusion, therefore nothing could be said.

“It was hardly three months ago that they cleared all aircraft for operations in the bloc,” they added. A foreign news agency earlier reported that a committee had decided to block all but seven planes of the airline’s fleet from flying to Europe for failing to meet safety standards. PIA Chairman and CEO Tariq Kirmani could not be reached for comment.
 
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 5:52 pm

why do these old planes still fly? because they are all good maintained.  Smile logic or not???
 
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:03 pm

According to the Arab Times:

1) PIA operates 16 flights in 8 countries in the EU
2) Can lease additional aircraft/crew

http://www.arabtimesonline.com/arabt.../breakingnews/view.asp?msgID=13358
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:06 pm

The EU wouldnt ban an airline unless it had reason to do so.... Im amazed that people here question the safety committees of the EU, and demand facts... Its is as if their 20 second analysis of the situation is better than the entire EU safety committee...

PIA - shame on you for allowing your airline to deteriorate so far as to be banned by the European Union.
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:00 pm

Photos of PIA's fourth 777-200ER to be delivered next month
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=400405351&size=m
close up of tail art work http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=400405355&size=m
 
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:13 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 34):
PIA - shame on you for allowing your airline to deteriorate so far as to be banned by the European Union.

Exactly, Best Western; as if to make matters worse, the Indian press will have an absolute field day with this. You can just imagine the Times of India and various others gleefully announcing this to their readership. I would not like to be in the (soon to be ex-) PK CEO's shoes; Musharraf will surely sack him.

I'm not so surprised about the 747s (although I know the -300s were ex-CX, so they would have been in pristine condition), but the A310s? They're not that old at all and they're ideal for some secondary routes (presumably they can still be used to Oslo?).

I would expect that Pakistan govt to bring in some external carrier like LH, SQ or the like, to get this mess sorted out.

Is there someplace one can read the full citation of what faults were found with PK?
 
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:40 am

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 36):
Is there someplace one can read the full citation of what faults were found with PK?

I have been unable to find ONE specific thing the the EU wanted to have fixed, since the drama began a while back. Its all rumors as to what exactly it is they want fixed. 'Safety concerns' if def not good enough for us on this site. Its shocking beyond belief.
 
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:53 am

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 36):
Exactly, Best Western; as if to make matters worse, the Indian press will have an absolute field day with this. You can just imagine the Times of India and various others gleefully announcing this to their readership. I would not like to be in the (soon to be ex-) PK CEO's shoes; Musharraf will surely sack him.

I'm not so surprised about the 747s (although I know the -300s were ex-CX, so they would have been in pristine condition), but the A310s? They're not that old at all and they're ideal for some secondary routes (presumably they can still be used to Oslo?).

I would expect that Pakistan govt to bring in some external carrier like LH, SQ or the like, to get this mess sorted out.

Is there someplace one can read the full citation of what faults were found with PK?

I think PK has bigger fish to fry than worry about negative publicity by the Indian Press. Pakistan's press would not hesitate to reciprocate their feelings...Its a cat and dog story.
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:17 am

Quoting Eagle11 (Reply 12):
It never seemed to me that they had a bad reputation.

Maybe not bad, but they've certainly always been quite a long way from having a good one.

Quoting Eagle11 (Reply 12):
There are other airlines that are far worse than PIA.

Which, in itself, really isn't something to be proud of...

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 25):
What did they fail? They fly basically the same type of aircraft as anyone else. They haven not had any of their 747s or A310s crash.

Flying "the same type of aircraft as anyone else" doesn't mean squat - maintaining them to the standards the countries that you fly to require and training your crews to those required standards does. PIA seems to have failed on at least one of those two counts.

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 34):
The EU wouldnt ban an airline unless it had reason to do so.... Im amazed that people here question the safety committees of the EU, and demand facts... Its is as if their 20 second analysis of the situation is better than the entire EU safety committee...

I'm not really surprised - last time there was a thread about this subject (somewhere between 2 and 3 months back) it didn't even take 15 or 20 posts before someone claimed that the ban wouldn't even be discussed if PIA had ordered Airbus planes instead of Boeings...  Yeah sure ... and since numerous people on this site see the EU as nothing more than a bastion of either Socialism or political blackmailers, I'm really not very surprised about some comments... but I was actually quite surprised that the tone of this discussion has remained rather moderate so far...
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bilalaman
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:30 am

Reuters reports "Its most profitable routes were to the Middle East and Britain."

http://in.today.reuters.com/news/new...NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_India-289047-1.xml
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:40 am

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 36):
I would not like to be in the (soon to be ex-) PK CEO's shoes; Musharraf will surely sack him.

He deserves to be sacked, as the buck stops with him.

Quoting Leskova (Reply 39):
it didn't even take 15 or 20 posts before someone claimed that the ban wouldn't even be discussed if PIA had ordered Airbus planes instead of Boeings

The fact that the EU have permitted the flying of Boeing, and banned the Airbus fleet demonstrates for once and for all that the EU doesnt allow safety to be comprimised for commercial reasoning, but for actual reasons. The immaturity of a select few of high posting individuals on this site is amazing, and damages this site.

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 37):
I have been unable to find ONE specific thing the the EU wanted to have fixed,

That doesnt mean that the issues dont exist, nor that they are not serious, just that they may not be in the public domain.
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:41 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 19):
Considering PIA currently has:

2 777-300ER
2 777-200LR
2 777-200ER (A 3rd Coming soon)

That makes seven aircraft.

That actually makes 8 777 aircraft - 2x 777-300ER (AP-BHV/W), 2x 777-200LR (AP-BGY/Z) and 3x 777-200ER (AP-BGJ/K/L) with a further -200ER due soon (AP-BHX)

Quoting Piedmont767LGW (Reply 23):
Sorry but I wasn't able to see the registration of the a/c involved in the incident.

AP-BGY clipped the tail of Flybe Dash 8-400 G-JEDR.

On a final note, I'd better get down to LHR quick if I want to photograph the two 743s I still need!

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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sun Feb 25, 2007 7:19 am

Quoting Imiakhtar (Reply 3):
Well Im shocked !!! PIA are a good airline . I want to see the details and individual incidents to back up this EU proposal.

The EU safety checks are not based on the crash record, but rather on random inspection checks when landing at EU airports, and maintenance records and other documentation which is also randomly requested by the aviation inspection in the EU.

This random sample may not be representative of the crash record at all, and may not even be representative of the safety of the airline. However, we would tend to work under the assumption that all aircraft of the airline are 100% maintenance and according to regulations at all times. The cost of a slip-up and a potential disaster is too great to bear.

Airlines from developed and underdeveloped countries have know to skimp on maintenance and or use non-OEM parts when retrofitting planes. It's a big no-no, but it's done...
 
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sun Feb 25, 2007 7:36 am

Good opportunity for Mid East based carriers. Would any EU based carrier be interested in starting service to Pakistan now?
 
bilalaman
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:25 am

The News International:

‘PIA unaware of any ban on flights to EU destinations’

KARACHI: A news item which appeared in a section of the press quoted unknown EU sources from Brussels as saying that they plan to disallow some of PIA flights to EU destinations in view of certain technical concerns.

A press release of the airlines said on Saturday the factual position is as under:

a. The Air Safety Committee (ASC) of the European Union (EU) visited Pakistan during 12 to 16 February, 2006 and held professional–cum–technical consultations with management of PIA. The consultation subject primarily concerned technical upkeep, airworthiness and well-kept interior of Asian countries aircraft operating on European destinations. The committee expressed its satisfaction with PIA aircraft, all operational and professional issues.

b. There was another meeting in Brussels during 21 and 23 February, 2007, where Pakistan was represented by professional and technical experts from Public Sector Aviation Industry (PIA and CAA). The PIA put forth a range of operational data before the ASC of the EU to their satisfaction in terms of the technical fitness, airworthiness and other cabin specific upkeep/maintenance issues of the PIA aircraft. The committee appreciated efforts of the PIA towards maximisation of its aircraft excellent maintenance, standards and airworthiness. The committee, however, counselled to modernise PIA fleet age according to latest technological advancement. Necessary refurbishment of the PIA’s old aircraft is also in the pipeline as per EU standards.

c. The PIA is unaware of any reported ban on its aircraft operations to the EU destinations and is in constant touch with the concerned authorities of the EU besides seeking to fully protect PIA’s interests.

d. It may relevantly be mentioned that PIA Engineering Department has been approved by the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) since 2004 under their Part-145 regulations, which are considered the most modern aviation maintenance/safety standards. Currently PIA Engineering undergoes Quality Surveillance Audits by the EASA auditors twice every year.

The PIA Engineering has not only performed Heavy and Light Maintenance on foreign registered Aircraft under its international approval during the past 50 years but has also supported many reputed airlines in the establishment of their engineering facilities.

e. The PIA has been operating its aircraft with average age of 21 years, which is now reduced to 12 years. The PIA Engineering is concentrating more on Airworthiness and Safety issues of a segment of its fleet. PIA aircraft also operate on destinations in Europe where they undergo safety inspections by inspectors of Safety Assessment of Foreign Aircraft Programme (SAFA). The principles of the programme are simple and being implemented for all foreign (Non-European) airlines landing at the European airports.
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:18 pm

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 36):
Exactly, Best Western; as if to make matters worse, the Indian press will have an absolute field day with this. You can just imagine the Times of India and various others gleefully announcing this to their readership. I would not like to be in the (soon to be ex-) PK CEO's shoes; Musharraf will surely sack him.

I'd like to point out that the Indian press does not waste their time revelling in setbacks to such news from across the border....everyone understands that it could very well have been an Indian carrier in question....I think you are being unfair to the Indian media and people by insinuating that they take pleasure in hearing such news relating to a company across the border....
 
Gr8Circle
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:21 pm

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 36):
Exactly, Best Western; as if to make matters worse, the Indian press will have an absolute field day with this. You can just imagine the Times of India and various others gleefully announcing this to their readership. I would not like to be in the (soon to be ex-) PK CEO's shoes; Musharraf will surely sack him.

I'd like to point out that the Indian press do not waste their time revelling in such news from across the border....everyone understands that it could very well have been an Indian carrier in question....I think you are being unfair to the Indian media and people by insinuating that they take pleasure in hearing such news relating to a company across the border....they have better things to do....
 
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:44 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 41):
That doesnt mean that the issues dont exist, nor that they are not serious, just that they may not be in the public domain.

The problems of PIA have been slowly building up with time. PIA might be considered lucky that nothing catastrophic has occurred. Much of this has flown under the main radar for years because as a public, we tend not to pay attention unless something catastrophic happens. Congrats to the EU for taking this step before something catastrophic happened. I think it showed some proactive thinking.
 
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RE: EU Set To Ban Pakistan International

Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:26 pm

Quoting Piedmont767LGW (Reply 23):
Yes they have...as recently as Feb 15 when a PIA 777 cliped another a/c while taxiing. This was the reason that there were two PIA 777's at MAN on Friday Feb 16. Spotters might have noticed around 11:00 UTC, one was at a gate, and the other was on the hard stand. The a/c on the hard stand was the one reportedly involved in the incident on 2/15. Sorry but I wasn't able to see the registration of the a/c involved in the incident.

...IIRC, turned out to be an ATC error rather than pilot error...


That being said.....I'm planning on fly on PK from JFK in about 4-6 weeks....fortunately its with the B777's...but I hope they don't redeploy them to other European locations... Sad
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