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New Zealand Aviation Thread

Sat Feb 24, 2007 7:44 am

I believe its now time for an official New Zealand Aviation Thread due to recent events. These recent events include NZ announcing a seasonal AKL-YVR route, which will operate from November to March, with starting services at 3 per week using the B772ERs. NZ has recently taken delivery of its last B772ER. NZ is still receiving its new fleet of Q300s to replace its fleet of Saab340s that are operated by one of its regional carriers called Air Nelson. NZ has recently ordered a further 4x B787-9s to bring its total B787-9 order to 8x. NZ is currently adding extra Y+ seating to its B744s. New Zealand based Pacific Blue has recently celebrated its 3rd birthday with Sir Richard Branson helping to party. SRB also talked about Pacific Blue starting NZ domestic flights. Last year, Nelson (NSN) based Origin Pacific folded. Early this year NZs domestic oneway fares dropped on all routes, and was quickly followed by Jetconnect (Qantas) dropping its fares.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread

Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:52 am

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):

Finally! Been waiting for this for a while. But since I dont have too many facts I couldn't start the thread. I guess initially it would be a good idea to list the fleet(atleast the jets, including those on order) in NZ and the major long-haul routes.
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Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:10 am

Quoting AKLDELNonstop (Reply 1):
would be a good idea to list the fleet

NZs operating fleet as off February 24th and whats on order. Also includes the extra B787s that NZ havn't put onto their list yet.

B747-400, 4 owned and 4 leased, average age is 12.8years, average daily use is 14.75 hours
B777-200ER, 4 owned and 5 leased, average age is .8 years, average daily use is 14.44 hours
B787-9, 0 owned and 0 leased, with 8 on order, average age is 0 years and average daily use is 0 hours
B767-300ER, 5 owned and 1 leased, average age is 10.5 years, average daily use is 13.73 hours
Airbus A320, 2 owned and 10 leased, average age is 2.5 years, average daily use is 10.2 hours
B737-300, 5 owned and 9 leased, average age is 9.1 years and average daily use is 7.95 hours

ATR72-500, 3 owned and 8 leased, average age is 6.1 years and average daily use 7:18 hours
Q300, 12 owned, with 8 on order, average age is 0.7, average daily use is 7:47 hours
Saab340A, 6 owned and 3 leased, average age is 18.8 years, average daily use is 5:65 hours
Beech1900D, 16 owned, average age is 4.8 years, average daily use is 7:05 hours

Totals 57 owned, 39 leased, 16 on order, average age 6.9 years, average daily use 9:06 hours
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread

Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:17 am

Any idea when 763 ZK NCO will leave the fleet?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread

Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:27 am

To keep this thread going, here are some New Zealand-focussed airline-related resources that I and others have compiled that are available on the web.

Airdata has some very good AKL focused information, including photographs.

To inform discussions about current and potential new air routes to and from New Zealand have a look at the monthly external migration statistics issued by Statistics New Zealand and the monthly analysis done by the NZ Ministry of Tourism. This information is primarily based on the entry/departure cards all international passengers have to fill out and gives us an excellent set of data. Unlike Australia, for example, New Zealand does not make this information public for individual airlines so I cannot share that information.

On my homepages you will find a list of and links to International Airlines Serving New Zealand and a list of New Zealand's Air Services Agreements. My Transport page includes links to all the ministerial media statements issued in recent years about new air services arrangements my colleagues and I have negotiated on behalf of New Zealand.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread

Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:44 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 2):

B747-400, 4 owned and 4 leased, average age is 12.8years, average daily use is 14.75 hours
B777-200ER, 4 owned and 5 leased, average age is .8 years, average daily use is 14.44 hours
B787-9, 0 owned and 0 leased, with 8 on order, average age is 0 years and average daily use is 0 hours
B767-300ER, 5 owned and 1 leased, average age is 10.5 years, average daily use is 13.73 hours
Airbus A320, 2 owned and 10 leased, average age is 2.5 years, average daily use is 10.2 hours
B737-300, 5 owned and 9 leased, average age is 9.1 years and average daily use is 7.95 hours

Good idea Jase to start this thread. A small correction, we only have 8 772ER's, not 9. 4 owned and 4 leased.

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Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:49 am

Can also now say that the new livery (yawn, boring, I know it keeps coming up), will definitely be going ahead and will appear on the domestic fleet from late October. All interantional aircraft are to be done overseas, and all domestic aircraft will be painted in Christchurch.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread

Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:13 am

What a great idea about time we had an NZ thread.

Quoting 767ER (Reply 3):
767ER From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 729 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted Sat Feb 24 2007 14:17:49 your local time (29 minutes 51 secs ago) and read 31 times:


Any idea when 763 ZK NCO will leave the fleet?

I believe that its EOL (End Of Lease) check is late September early October, ill have to go check again though.
Anyone got any info as to the future of the ATR fleet, my understanding is that Air Nelson holds options on 14? Q400s.
Also can anybody speculate on the future on the A320 fleet.
Air NZ is very happy with both 737 and A320,however there have been some recent improvements to the 737 with the 900ER and 700ER becoming available.
These aircraft are very appealing to Air NZ due to their better payload / range stats than the A320 and also their commonality with the 737-700 which could replace 737-300 aircraft .The 733 is used on domestic services and NLK,CHC-BNE,AKL-NAN-RAR-AKL,IUE,TBU and some Tasman services as a back up a/c.
The A320 is sometimes used on domestic services, but is considered to big to replace 733 fleet.
As a side note there is some rumors that the 733 fleet will be converted to Y 142 seats from 136 with the addition of one row of seats.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread

Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:20 am

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 6):
Can also now say that the new livery (yawn, boring, I know it keeps coming up), will definitely be going ahead and will appear on the domestic fleet from late October. All interantional aircraft are to be done overseas, and all domestic aircraft will be painted in Christchurch.

Hooray!!!, now the only questions is "what will it look like?"....
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread

Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:50 am

Quoting ZKNZA (Reply 7):
As a side note there is some rumors that the 733 fleet will be converted to Y 142 seats from 136 with the addition of one row of seats.

It's not a rumour - it's happening.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread

Sat Feb 24, 2007 12:05 pm

Quoting TG992 (Reply 9):
It's not a rumour - it's happening.

Yeah I know , they are looking at adding arow to another couple of aircraft types(not widebody)as well.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread

Sat Feb 24, 2007 12:25 pm

The increase in seats from 136 to 142 is similar to the increase the 737-200s had from 112 seats to 121 all those years ago. The 300 may be bigger and quieter than the 200, but the 200 is still the greatest. I had a ride in one of the Ozjet 732s when they were demonstrating it. That had only 60 seats. Nice accelearation when we took off and nice firm stopping when we landed, and good to see the bucket thrust reversers.

When you are choosing the new plane for NZ domestic services, the short stage legs must make it a very difficult decision. In Dunedin, we have lost most of our jet services because the 733 is too much plane for DUD-CHC. I am a bit afraid the 737-700 will be too much plane for DUD-WLG. In 3 years, will we have Q400s between DUD and WLG?
 
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Sat Feb 24, 2007 12:45 pm

Quoting ZKNZA (Reply 7):
As a side note there is some rumors that the 733 fleet will be converted to Y 142 seats from 136 with the addition of one row of seats.



Quoting TG992 (Reply 9):

It's not a rumour - it's happening.



Quoting ZKNZA (Reply 10):
Yeah I know , they are looking at adding arow to another couple of aircraft types(not widebody)as well.

If you knew, why did you say it was a rumour?  Yeah sure
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread

Sat Feb 24, 2007 1:05 pm

Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 11):
In 3 years, will we have Q400s between DUD and WLG?

Or perhaps, sometime in the future, trunk jets will go Embraer - say E195 at either 108 or 118 pax.
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Sat Feb 24, 2007 1:19 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 5):
A small correction, we only have 8 772ER's, not 9. 4 owned and 4 leased.

Ah, thanks for the correction, have no idea where I got 5 from.

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 6):
new livery (yawn, boring, I know it keeps coming up), will definitely be going ahead and will appear on the domestic fleet from late October.

Yay. Do you know what B737/A320 will get the new livery first?

Quoting ZKNZA (Reply 7):
These aircraft are very appealing to Air NZ due to their better payload / range stats than the A320 and also their commonality with the 737-700 which could replace 737-300 aircraft .

When do the A320 family options expire? Wouldn't it be more easier to replace the B733s with A319s and use both A319s and A320 pilots fly either aircraft

Quoting ZKNZA (Reply 7):
As a side note there is some rumors that the 733 fleet will be converted to Y 142 seats from 136 with the addition of one row of seats.

What will the new seat inch be then?

Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 11):
we have lost most of our jet services because the 733 is too much plane for DUD-CHC. I am a bit afraid the 737-700 will be too much plane for DUD-WLG. In 3 years, will we have Q400s between DUD and WLG?

Even if DUD looses B737 services, there will still be A320 services. I can't see much off a difference between seating numbers in the -300 and -700 series. When I flew WLG-DUD in a B733 last year, the load was excellent
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread

Sat Feb 24, 2007 1:25 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 6):
Can also now say that the new livery (yawn, boring, I know it keeps coming up), will definitely be going ahead and will appear on the domestic fleet from late October. All interantional aircraft are to be done overseas, and all domestic aircraft will be painted in Christchurch.

NZ1

Finally!!!! About time, not that the old scheme was bad... in fact I quite like it. Still is a shame that it couldn't have been sorted out sooner to save on having to repaint brand new 777 aircraft which came with a free paintjob!  Wink

Further things to watch for at NZ...
8x744 replacement... does NZ go for 8x 748I, or the more likely 8-12x 773ER?
787... NZ has orders for 8x789... talk is that with the 763ERs leaving the fleet withing 3 years (correct NZ1?) that NZ will be leasing 4x788 (possibly more) from 2008. Aparently NZ is looking at doubling its 789 order (although I have my doubts), NZ does have the options, but I'm thinking NZ may go for say another 4x 789 and then order 4-8x 787-10 whilst removing the 772ER from the fleet to have longhaul only operating 787 and possibly 773ER or 748I...
Anyways looks like NZ has done a good job of turning itself around over the past 6 years and is now a strong airline. Pity management is treating most of its staff like crap at the moment, particularly Airport Services and previously the engineers (and of course not forgetting ZEAL).
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread

Sat Feb 24, 2007 1:41 pm

Is Kiwi Pacific a non-starter?

Their website is still promising action in December - 2006:

http://www.kiwipacific.co.nz/default.asp

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Sat Feb 24, 2007 1:45 pm

Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 11):
In 3 years, will we have Q400s between DUD and WLG

Is the replacement happening that soon? The ATRs are still quite young, only 6 years old average. I would think NZ would keep them for a while yet.

Correct me if I'm wrong
 
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Sat Feb 24, 2007 1:48 pm

Quoting Mariner (Reply 16):

I believe that was proven to be an 'Arm chair CEO'. Airworks are the only airline that operates Fairchilds, Fokkers and spare B737. The Airworks CEO said that he has never heard of Kiwi Pacific and has never been in talks
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread

Sat Feb 24, 2007 2:36 pm

New Zealand aviation, well, well, well.....

Let's hope this thread doesn't bomb out like the Chile one! But back to the point, as I stated in the other thread I believe that NZ is looking at the following routes :

AKL to :
-PEK
-EZE
-GRU
-ICN
-SEA
-DEN
-SIN
-KUL
-CGK
-CAN

CHC to :
-HKG

PVG to :
-MAN

EZE to :
-FRA

SYD to :
-LAX

MEL to :
-JNB
-BOM
-DEL

PPT to :
-SFO

ADL to :
-DXB

GRU to :
-GIG

Obviously some of these will not be able to work untill the 787 comes online, but I think it is safe to say that we will see at least a few of these in the next 18-24 months. Ok, maybe only 1 or 2, but still!

Also, in relation to DUD, I highly doubt they will lose domestic jet services. Whilst WLG and CHC may not warrant a demand for a 733 to DUD, AKL will and always will. I don't see NZ ordering aircraft as big as the 73G or 319 for domestic ops, I think they'll go Embrarer personally, but don't quote me on it!

When are ROT going to be getting trans tasman flights? I remember QF saying a while ago that they were interested.

Finally, I was dissapointed when EY said that they will not continue their new SYD flight onto AKL, but I am still living in hope that NZ will see a new long haul carrier soon. Maybe QR as an extension from MEL/SYD? AC from YVR to operate year round? CA to PEK? CZ to CAN? I hope someone comes.
 
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Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:35 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 19):
AC from YVR to operate year round?

maybe sometime before this happens

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 19):
Maybe QR as an extension from MEL/SYD?

Well QR has planned 3 weekly flights to MEL if I'm not mistaken.
 
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Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:37 pm

Quoting TG992 (Reply 12):
Quoting ZKNZA (Reply 7):
As a side note there is some rumors that the 733 fleet will be converted to Y 142 seats from 136 with the addition of one row of seats.




Quoting TG992 (Reply 9):

It's not a rumour - it's happening.



Quoting ZKNZA (Reply 10):
Yeah I know , they are looking at adding arow to another couple of aircraft types(not widebody)as well.

If you knew, why did you say it was a rumour?

Sorry there TG992.
I thought I should mention to see if anyone was interested ,I didn't want to confirm it because in my job I'm exposed to a fair degree of commercially sensitive information that I dont necessarily want to confirm or divulge.
 
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Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:45 pm

Quoting ZKNZA (Reply 21):
,I didn't want to confirm it because in my job I'm exposed to a fair degree of commercially sensitive information that I dont necessarily want to confirm or divulge.

That's very interesting, because your profile in the last week has changed from 'cabin crew' to 'airline employee', and in another thread you went to far as to reveal the contents of an alleged private chat between Ed Sims and yourself detailing future aircraft purchase plans, in addition to spilling your guts about YVR prior to the official announcement. And you then expect me to believe you don't want to confirm an extra row of seats being added to 737s? Give me a break..
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Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:45 pm

Quoting ZKNZA (Reply 10):
Yeah I know , they are looking at adding arow to another couple of aircraft types(not widebody)as well.

The ATR's are currently being re-configured to 68 seats from 66. Aircraft number 3 of 11 is being done next week in Christchurch.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 14):
Yay. Do you know what B737/A320 will get the new livery first?

Too soon to say at this stage.

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Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:50 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 6):

I think we may see another change if the ABs win the world cup with frequent trips across the Tasman  Wink
 
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Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:05 pm

Quoting ZKNZA (Reply 7):
733 fleet will be converted to Y 142 seats from 136 with the addition of one row of seats



Quoting NZ1 (Reply 23):
The ATR's are currently being re-configured to 68 seats from 66. Aircraft number 3 of 11 is being done next week in Christchurch.

Are these going to favour passengers with shorter legs or will the seat pitch be unchanged?

Looks like both the 733 and ATR will stay for a few more years at least?

Quoting 777ER (Reply 14):
When do the A320 family options expire? Wouldn't it be more easier to replace the B733s with A319s and use both A319s and A320 pilots fly either aircraft

I hope they buy some A319s or even A318s. Personally, I like the interior layout of the A320 more than the 737s.



Other questions (someone may know the answer):
1. Is Jetconnect going to get newer aircrafts to replace their 733s anytime soon?
2. Is CX going to fly 777-300ERs into AKL when they get them?
3. Someone who can access the reservation system: how full are AKL-RAR NZ 772s? Seems to be a very large aircraft for this route!
4. When is the NZ Saab340 fleet going to completely retire? Which will be the NZ Saab340's last revenue flight? Where have the retired Saab340s gone to?
 
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Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:14 pm

Any thoughts on future domestic destinations for Air New Zealand Link, given that WKA (Wanaka) has been added and a service has been resumed to OAM (Oamaru)?

Haast perhaps? Just kidding! It is, however, interesting to note that there are a number of New Zealand provincial towns that in the past had airline service. Kaikohe (NAC) and Gore (SPANZ) spring to mind.

Realistically Beech 1900D services are what the scale would have to be.

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Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:22 pm

Quoting Cchan (Reply 25):
2. Is CX going to fly 777-300ERs into AKL when they get them?

I won't be straight away as they will be used on the HKG-JFK route
 
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Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:28 pm

Quoting Cchan (Reply 25):
3. Someone who can access the reservation system: how full are AKL-RAR NZ 772s? Seems to be a very large aircraft for this route!

Don't forget you can't look at the cost of operating a half empty AKL-RAR-AKL sector in isolation. You have to also look at the opportunity cost.

Would the aircraft be sitting idle if not utilised for these flights?
Would the longhaul crew be enjoying a paid day off with no work, if not used?
Does using this 777, which would otherwise be idle, free up an A320 to operate a slightly longer duty that the 777 wouldn't be able to operate before being required again for the evening flight?
And many other considerations..


AKL-RAR loads in my experience usually enjoy at least an 80% load factor on the 767.
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Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:29 pm

Quoting Macilree (Reply 26):
Any thoughts on future domestic destinations for Air New Zealand Link

The Chathams maybe? Great Barrier? Stewart Island? Paraparaumu? I don't know exactly, but I doubt there will be much more expasion domestically.

Also, does anybody think NZ would ever consider HBA, CBR or DRW for new routes?
 
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Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:32 pm

Another issue that raises its head with monotonous regularity is the possibility of additional international airports in New Zealand. In recent weeks I have seen references in the news media to the possibility of international airports in the future near Whangarei and at WHK (Whakatane). ROT (Rotorua), Whenuapai (near Auckland - currently an RNZAF base), IVC (Invercargill) and NPE (Napier) are more seriously mentioned.

What many of the proponents seem to forget is that the days of being able, for example, to set up a Customs and Quarantine Hall in an old rescue fire shed as happen at HLZ (Hamilton) when Ewan Wilson launched Kiwi (KC) are probably over given the additional screening requirements, primarily for aviation security and quarantine purposes. If only a few international services per week are proposed the per passenger cost is huge relative to the transport component of an air ticket.

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Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:33 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 19):
CHC to :
-HKG

I'd be surprised to see anything else come out of CHC. Each time NZ has tried something long-haul it hasn't worked so I don't think they'll do it again but I am open to being proved wrong!

There was a report in The Press a week or so back about the runways at Christchurch being extended. They are still new plans at this stage, the focus now is on our much needed new terminal, but it was of interest. They are trying to have two runways going at the same time. I think the article said the main North-South runway was going to be extended to allow departures from halfway, after the point at which the East-West runway intersects it. This would then mean that they might be in a position to have both runways going at the same time. I think its just an operations issue rather than any grand plan for more traffic.

As for new destinations within NZ I'm not sure I can think of any. There is always Mt Cook again! Maybe Te Anau? I suspect we'll just see more direct links and less "hubbing".
 
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Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:36 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 19):
AKL to :
-PEK
-EZE
-GRU
-ICN
-SEA
-DEN
-SIN
-KUL
-CGK
-CAN

Better add ORD to that list, as it seems NZ are more interetsed in ORD being the next US landing spot with B789s

Quoting Cchan (Reply 25):
. Is Jetconnect going to get newer aircrafts to replace their 733s anytime soon?

Jetconnect have 2x B734s in the fleet, which were built around 1991/1992. The original plan was to replace the older B737s with the newer B734s. Anyone know if thats still the plan?
 
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Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:44 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 29):
Also, does anybody think NZ would ever consider HBA, CBR or DRW for new routes?

HBA brings back memories of in the early 1980s as a new grad having to look through individual passenger entry and departure cards for the HBA-CHC services operated by Ansett and Australian (one each a week?) to see how these operations were going. That we could do this suggests that the numbers were very low then. They were I think the only international routes that the two airlines were then permitted to operate.

From memory WLG-CBR has come up in the past in the context of something that NZ or QF would have been able to do if they were allowed to enter into a new alliance. Avoiding having to transit SYD would certainly be appealing to many public servants crossing the Tasman!

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Sat Feb 24, 2007 5:22 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 29):
The Chathams maybe? Great Barrier? Stewart Island? Paraparaumu?

Chatham Islands are served very well by Air Chatams. Chatham Islands only have a limited amount of motels/B&Bs etc and visitors need a permit to visit. From memory The Chathams can only have the same amount of new visitors that Air Chatams Convairs can carry. Great Barrier are served well with Great Barrier Air. I've never seen a full Great Barrier flight leave AKL, in all the times I've been there. Stewart Island Airport can only handle Cessnas/Pipers. Even thou the new owners of Paraparaumu airport are wanting to build a new terminal for 'real' commercial flights, I can't see NZ starting link services there since WLG is only 1 hour away. Even if NZ was to start services there, the biggest aircraft would have to be the Saab, due to the runway length (as it was shortened a few years ago) and houses are now being built at both ends of their two seperate runways. Even thou Paraparaumu is served by Air2There.com, their population size really does'nt warrant NZ services since WLG serves the area well
 
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Sat Feb 24, 2007 6:01 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 29):
Great Barrier?

Lol good luck trying to get a link plane down there. Lolz the runway is only 9m wide.
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Sat Feb 24, 2007 6:03 pm

Quoting Cchan (Reply 25):
Are these going to favour passengers with shorter legs or will the seat pitch be unchanged?

The ATR's are having half the R/H rear galley removed to fit in the extra seats, therefore the pitch stays the same. With the 733's, the pitch will change slightly, though by an an inch at the most.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 32):
Jetconnect have 2x B734s in the fleet, which were built around 1991/1992. The original plan was to replace the older B737s with the newer B734s. Anyone know if thats still the plan?

Jetconnect have their 3rd 734 arriving soon, ZK-JTR. I believe the 4th is due not long after JTR.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread

Sat Feb 24, 2007 6:18 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 36):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 32):
Jetconnect have 2x B734s in the fleet, which were built around 1991/1992. The original plan was to replace the older B737s with the newer B734s. Anyone know if thats still the plan?

Jetconnect have their 3rd 734 arriving soon, ZK-JTR. I believe the 4th is due not long after JTR.

Its good that QF are bringing over more B734s. Any ideas on when the last B733 will be replaced?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread

Sat Feb 24, 2007 6:53 pm

[quote=TG992,reply=22]Quoting ZKNZA (Reply 21):
,I didn't want to confirm it because in my job I'm exposed to a fair degree of commercially sensitive information that I dont necessarily want to confirm or divulge.
[quote=TG992,reply=22]
That's very interesting, because your profile in the last week has changed from 'cabin crew' to 'airline employee', and in another thread you went to far as to reveal the contents of an alleged private chat between Ed Sims and yourself detailing future aircraft purchase plans, in addition to spilling your guts about YVR prior to the official announcement. And you then expect me to believe you don't want to confirm an extra row of seats being added to 737s? Give me a break..[/quote

Whats more interesting TG992,is that I have only been a member for less than a week so I find it very hard to believe that I changed from cabin crew to airline employee.I changed it from aircraft engineer to airline employee because I see most members at this site choose to rather put 'airline employee' ,than their specific job title.I can change it back if you so wish.
I have never even chatted with Ed Sims in my life, let alone about future fleet plans.You got me mixed up with another user there.
I never spilled my guts about YVR at all,though I have commented on the threads going.Again I believe you have mixed me up with another user.
Go and see for yourself,look through the posts.
Really TG992 this diatribe is unnecessary, especially as you dont seem to be getting your facts correct with regards to who is posting what.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread

Sat Feb 24, 2007 7:03 pm

Quoting ZKNZA (Reply 38):
Again I believe you have mixed me up with another user.

You're absolutely correct. I withdraw my comments and unreservedly apologize.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread

Sat Feb 24, 2007 7:09 pm

Thats ok TG992 Its easy to get mixed up.There are a few different AirNZ regos as usernames on this site.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread

Sat Feb 24, 2007 7:26 pm

Completely irrelevant to the subject I know but my god! Great to see some decent manners here on a.net!
Bring out the gimp
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread

Sat Feb 24, 2007 7:29 pm

NZ should look at something like a cessna caravan imo. Full pilot + student to fly them?. Should be possible to improve your natural network by moving into smaller places. Some of the airports around the Coromandel, Southern Hawkes Bay, lots of places that are difficult to get to in New Zealand. Not so much strictly about profit but rather entrenching the your network.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread

Sat Feb 24, 2007 7:39 pm

All this talk about NZ going for EZE to FRA!

I doubt that is on the cards before the 787... however, I understand that they continue to look at extending PVG to Germany, with no clear preference at this stage for MUC or FRA, and that this is high up the list of possible next destinations, and all possible with 772ER.

Further, any word on PVG frequency increases?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread

Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:03 pm

Quoting RichardJF (Reply 42):
NZ should look at something like a cessna caravan imo

An idea none the less but it won't happen. I must admit that It would be nice flying a caravan for NZ on a 135 Single pilot IFR ops into places like Milford sound and Kaikoura. Some very nice approaches there Big grin
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread

Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:01 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 34):
The Chathams can only have the same amount of new visitors that Air Chatams Convairs can carry.

How much longer is Air Chathams going to fly those Convair 580s for? I flew with them once in 1999, and God, I will never fly with them again! It doesn't look safe at all!

Quoting 777ER (Reply 34):
Great Barrier are served well with Great Barrier Air. I've never seen a full Great Barrier flight leave AKL

In the long weekends, you will see those islanders and trilanders packed full, flying non-stop between AKL and Great Barrier, with minimal ground time.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread

Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:17 am

Quoting Macilree (Reply 4):
To keep this thread going, here are some New Zealand-focussed airline-related resources that I and others have compiled that are available on the web.

John, do you know of links that provide data on air freight volumes between country pairs?

Thanks..
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread

Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:34 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 34):
Chatham Islands are served very well by Air Chatams.

I think I would beg to differ. Any airline which charges $800 for that route is really milking its market. I realize the numbers of people who travel it aren't great but business must show a balance between making profit and treating a customer well. Why are they not thinking about growing the market of visitors? It seems to me that its a classic class of when you have a monopoly...
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread

Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:52 am

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 46):
John, do you know of links that provide data on air freight volumes between country pairs?

I am relatively sure that the air freight data between New Zealand and other individual countries is available on the Statistics New Zealand web site but it is a bit of a struggle to get to it. Cargo data is available by tonnage (although I am not sure that air freight tonnages by country are available for free) and by value. Unless you are prepared to pay Statistics New Zealand for a special computer run (we usually do on an annual basis), the trick may be to look for information on volumes and values through individual airports and then add. Try the Exports and Imports Tables (you then need to work out how to dig into the data using the tables) and the Overseas Cargo Statistics.

Last week I was actually looking at this data to see what growth in total tonnes there had been in international air freight over the last five years. In the past I recall noting that cargo value between Finland and New Zealand was particularly high whereas passenger numbers are very small - all those Nokia cell phones?

The other possibility is to look for the other country's statistics on trade with New Zealand. I did that for Canada the other day but found they wanted C$3 for the data I was after!

Good luck!

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread

Sun Feb 25, 2007 4:27 am

Quoting ZKNBX (Reply 43):
I understand that they continue to look at extending PVG to Germany, with no clear preference at this stage for MUC or FRA, and that this is high up the list of possible next destinations

I have a very strong personal preference for MUC over FRA. The new terminal buildings at MUC are excellent where as FRA is a rabbit warren. Also returning from meetings in Europe (the LH *A connection) I have on a number of occasions filled in part of a Saturday in Munich waiting for the evening flights out to East Asia. It is a very nice city with great parks and museums that I am sure would appeal to many New Zealanders (and Chinese?).

The seasonality of the German market to New Zealand was the problem with the previous FRA service. From memory (correct me if I am wrong) at one stage NZ tried an London - FRA sector to try to solve this.

This week, however, it will be BKK and ZRH for my transit stops.

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