gilesdavies
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Are Monarch's 757's On There Way Out?

Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:29 am

I was just on Monarch's website and looking at their fleet details, I noticed the 757 is missing from the list and got me thinking...

I was wondering if Monarch are beginning to phase out the 757 from their fleet???

I am aware of some (if not all) of Monarch's 757's are some of the oldest flying - taking delivery of them going back to 1983. With Monarch operating their aircrafts at a very high utilization rate, I would have thought these frames would soon be reaching the end of their cycle rates. Maintenance costs must also be increasing on these older specimens too...

Also over the last few years the number of A320/1's into the fleet have gradually been increasing and with both the 757's and Airbuses flying very similar routes within Europe and the Canaries. Would it make sense for them to have a common fleet for their Short haul operations?
(I know the ZB 757 has been operated to Florida in the past, but think they are restricted to short haul
operations these days?)


With the A321 having a similar seating number in an all charter config to the 757 and having the required range for what Monarch needs, it seems the perfect replacement!?


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RE: Are Monarch's 757's On There Way Out?

Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:59 am

I flew on G-MOND from Tenerife South back to Gatwick when I was twelve years younger and it brings back memories now every time I see it.

The last figures I can find are for Dec 2004 when G-MOND had 71,713 hours. It's current Certificate of Airworthiness, if my source is correct, expires 13th May 2008. Will they keep it until the very end or will they sell it while there is still some life left?

They do look after their planes though and don't chop and change so much for which I respect them. I made a point of flying on their A300s a couple of years ago while they still have them. I very much enjoyed that and thought their operation was very professional.

Interesting post.
 
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RE: Are Monarch's 757's On There Way Out?

Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:51 am

I believe these will be white, purple and orange with a large door on the side in the near future...

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RE: Are Monarch's 757's On There Way Out?

Sat Feb 24, 2007 12:00 pm

Interesting to note that G-MOND, in the first picture, has different engines than the ones that propel her present day. She was delivered with RB211-535C engines, later refitted with -535E's.
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RE: Are Monarch's 757's On There Way Out?

Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:31 pm

I think their EDI charter base has been upgraded from an A320 to a B757 this summer
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RE: Are Monarch's 757's On There Way Out?

Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:35 pm

Quoting Humberside (Reply 4):
I think their EDI charter base has been upgraded from an A320 to a B757 this summer

Indeed. I was also of the understanding that MON were looking for more 757s to replace/expand their current fleet
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RE: Are Monarch's 757's On There Way Out?

Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:53 pm

Monarch will keep flying thoses 757's for a while longer

They are well maintained (engineering wise) and looked after well, they still do the same job they did 25 years ago when they were first introduced.

Just to give you some idea, G-MONB since its introduction has now achived 30,000 flight cycles which roughly means (a little statistc) that it has flown the equviellent of 80 return trips to the moon

Now that deservers a cheer to the whole of Monarch who have made that possible.

Although I look forward to the 787 deliverise, it will be sad to see the 757's go
 
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RE: Are Monarch's 757's On There Way Out?

Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:05 pm

I was at LGW about two weeks ago (Tues, 13th), flying into LGW to catch a First Choice flight next morning; as we taxied in, we passed 'MONB - which is 757 LN15, delivered in March '83. For a 24 year old airplane, it looked pretty darn good.

I'm sure a lot of people will miss the 757s when they finally go. I don't think a date has been set, but I think you can always tell when an aircraft's days are numbered by when the replacement type is already in the fleet!

I would expect that the majority of MON crews have flown the '57 at some stage in their careers (although I have met one who didn't). It's a real pity we can't jump seat anymore, because that's one experience I'd love to have.
 
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RE: Are Monarch's 757's On There Way Out?

Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:28 pm

Quoting Humberside (Reply 4):

Or perhaps a downgrade -Monarch wish to use their newer Airbuses for their high profile scheduled routes leaving the 23 year old 757s for ever diminishing charter profile
 
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RE: Are Monarch's 757's On There Way Out?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:33 am

Quoting Leigh pilgrim (Reply 6):
Although I look forward to the 787 deliverise, it will be sad to see the 757's go

As far as I am aware the 787's are to replacement order for the A300's, A330's and 767's in the fleet and will enable ZB to have one common type widebody in the fleet... A little like how ThomsonFly (AKA Britannia) had the one type wide body in their fleet - the 767.

Quoting BY738 (Reply 8):
Or perhaps a downgrade -Monarch wish to use their newer Airbuses for their high profile scheduled routes leaving the 23 year old 757s for ever diminishing charter profile

While Monarch have the 757, they will continue to fly the scheduled routes and regular swap the aircrafts around depending on demand... The 757 is common site on all of Monarch's scheduled services out of Luton.

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 3):
Interesting to note that G-MOND, in the first picture, has different engines than the ones that propel her present day. She was delivered with RB211-535C engines, later refitted with -535E's.

I have been through the photo's and appears G-MOND has been flying the RB211-535E's, since atleast 1986. Is there much difference in the engines - Performance wise?
 
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RE: Are Monarch's 757's On There Way Out?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:11 am

Quoting BY738 (Reply 8):
Or perhaps a downgrade -Monarch wish to use their newer Airbuses for their high profile scheduled routes leaving the 23 year old 757s for ever diminishing charter profile

It'd be an upgrade if MON had a base at GLA though, wouldn't it?
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RE: Are Monarch's 757's On There Way Out?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:53 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 9):
I have been through the photo's and appears G-MOND has been flying the RB211-535E's, since atleast 1986. Is there much difference in the engines - Performance wise?

According to airliners.net aircraft stats they have better power:
Two 166.4kN (37,400lb) RollsRoyce RB211-535C turbofans, or 178.8kN (40,200lb) RB211-535E4s, or 193.5kN (43,500lb) RB211-535E4-Bs.

A bit of an increase of power. I heard a rumour from one of the engineers at MAN, and he said G-MONB was used as a test aircraft for Boeing, and maybe the first to leave to fleet, no plans as to when this will be, but this has the highest number of hours and rotations to the others in the fleet.

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RE: Are Monarch's 757's On There Way Out?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 4:01 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 9):
I have been through the photo's and appears G-MOND has been flying the RB211-535E's, since atleast 1986. Is there much difference in the engines - Performance wise?

According to the RR website, the 535C model produces aroung 37,000Ibs of thrust compared to 40,000Ibs+ for the 535E models.

http://www.rolls-royce.com/civil_aer...ts/airlines/rb211535/technical.jsp
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RE: Are Monarch's 757's On There Way Out?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 4:16 am

AFAIK, ZB are not planning to phase them out any time soon. Ther B787s will probably replace some of them, but there is no real alternative at the moment, or rather non that matches ZB's needs
 
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RE: Are Monarch's 757's On There Way Out?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 7:44 am

I am not sure whether it is appropriate or not in this forum but when talking about Monarch Boeing 757s, I cannot fail to think about a late friend of mine.

A young man by the name of Blair Dyson, who died aged only 32 as the result of an ultra light crash in Northern Ireland in June 1999, had progressed very rapidly from instructing on Cessna 152, to piloting JEA Short SD3-60 / 146 and had just joined Monarch in the right seat on Boeing 757s.

I met him once after he had done a few flights with Monarch on the 757. He thought that the airline and the plane were great and his excitement about his new "job" was evident. He was full of life and I remember him describing the 757's magnificent initial rate of climb and the related climbout flight deck procedures (with actions!) and it was soon after that that I heard of the tragic end to his short life. He spent all of his time flying or talking about flying and desired to fly as many different types of plane as possible. He died when he went up for a flight with a man he knew in a newly purchased "Cubby P2" G-BVNA and mysteriously crashed close to the Giant's Causeway in County Antrim. It was concluded that the light aircraft rolled almost inverted in turbulence coming off nearby cliffs and broke up in flight not having been designed or stressed for inverted flight.
 
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RE: Are Monarch's 757's On There Way Out?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:27 pm

Quoting BY738 (Reply 8):
Or perhaps a downgrade -Monarch wish to use their newer Airbuses for their high profile scheduled routes leaving the 23 year old 757s for ever diminishing charter profile

An increase from A320 to B752 is a downgrade?! Are you joking?!
 
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RE: Are Monarch's 757's On There Way Out?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:48 pm

Quoting Leigh pilgrim (Reply 6):
Just to give you some idea, G-MONB since its introduction has now achived 30,000 flight cycles which roughly means (a little statistc) that it has flown the equviellent of 80 return trips to the moon



Quoting Jetset7E7 (Reply 11):
I heard a rumour from one of the engineers at MAN, and he said G-MONB was used as a test aircraft for Boeing, and maybe the first to leave to fleet, no plans as to when this will be, but this has the highest number of hours and rotations to the others in the fleet.

I flew Gatwick-Athens return on G-MONB on October 15 1995 as a cockpit guest of the co-pilot. There were many interesting aspects of the flight, outbound over parts of the former Yugoslavia and Macedonia, back over Italy but in respect of this thread and the above quotes I can confirm that, at that time, the aircraft was the high time B757 in terms of both cycles and hours. The cockpit had a small rack housing a number of boxes which contained equipment marked as Boeing property which, when I asked, was explained as "computer gear which is measuring spar and torsion box stresses". The crew had no input to reset the equipment but had to ensure it was running by checking lights as part of the pre-take off checks.
 
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RE: Are Monarch's 757's On There Way Out?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 9:46 pm

Don't think they will be going anywhere any time soon. As many have stated, Monarch have looked after these aircraft very well, they are a credit to Monarch Engineering.

If I remember correctly, a couple of years ago Monarch operated both the highest time and highest cycles 757s (different aircraft). When G-MONC had the hard landing in Girbralter which caused airframe damage, a few years back I believe Boeing were very interested in it, with it being such an early aircraft.

They must still have a few years in them yet, they still do a great job for Monarch, and as long as operating them is economically viable they'll continue to wear purple and gold.

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 3):
Interesting to note that G-MOND, in the first picture, has different engines than the ones that propel her present day. She was delivered with RB211-535C engines, later refitted with -535E's.

I imagine any of the big cargo operators would love to have these aircraft, 1 very caring previous owner.
 
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RE: Are Monarch's 757's On There Way Out?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:05 pm

Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 17):
they are a credit to Monarch Engineering

Also a very good point, I rate Monarch's engineering team as one of the best in the country

Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 17):
They must still have a few years in them yet, they still do a great job for Monarch, and as long as operating them is economically viable they'll continue to wear purple and gold

 checkmark . Its the same with all the UK charter carriers, I think the 757 will be in our airspace in those colours for manyb years to come, and I like that thought
 
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RE: Are Monarch's 757's On There Way Out?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:06 pm

Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 17):
If I remember correctly, a couple of years ago Monarch operated both the highest time and highest cycles 757s (different aircraft)



Quoting Philb (Reply 16):
I can confirm that, at that time, the aircraft was the high time B757 in terms of both cycles and hours.

I was surprised at the time that one aircraft had both highest time and highest cyles together but, at least in October 1995, that was the case which was particularly interesting when compared to similar age BA 757s which had years of "Shuttle Bashing" behind them.

Does anyone know which 757 now has the highest time and which has the highest # of cycles?
 
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RE: Are Monarch's 757's On There Way Out?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:12 pm

Quoting Philb (Reply 19):
Does anyone know which 757 now has the highest time and which has the highest # of cycles?

The information on the CAA site is a little old perhaps but gives you an idea of where each aircraft is up to. MONB is in the lead as of 2005 with MONK having the least hours.

I did have a link posted here but the CAA website doesn't allow search results to be posted.

If however you're talking about the B757 in general, I'm not sure.



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RE: Are Monarch's 757's On There Way Out?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:23 pm

Thanks Myt332 - I already had that info, thus my question. Not sure when the CAA update the hours info on longstanding aircraft that don't change reg or owner.

I suspect that G-MONB is the high time 757 worldwide but can anyone confirm this with figures later than December 2005 when MONB had 77,319 hours and which has the highest # of cycles?
 
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RE: Are Monarch's 757's On There Way Out?

Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:10 am

Quoting Philb (Reply 21):
Thanks Myt332 - I already had that info, thus my question

I thought as much thus why I added the last part, good job I re-read your post. After I'd gone through the hassle of looking up the info though I owed it to myself to post it!

Does the FAA post any info regarding aircraft hours? I'm thinking maybe not, as I can't find anything but I'm wondering what N917UW is packing these days? She was the 4th built B757. G-JALC was the 5th built and ended her days with MyTravel. When she left though, she only had approximately 60k hours which isn't close to touching MONB.
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RE: Are Monarch's 757's On There Way Out?

Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:37 am

Quoting Philb (Reply 19):
I was surprised at the time that one aircraft had both highest time and highest cyles together but, at least in October 1995, that was the case which was particularly interesting when compared to similar age BA 757s which had years of "Shuttle Bashing" behind them.

oooops feel stupid now didn't read your post properly before I posted! I was told it was different aircraft, but that was only a few years ago.

Quoting Philb (Reply 19):
Does anyone know which 757 now has the highest time and which has the highest # of cycles?

I would imagine Monarch can still claim the highest cycle machine, not much has changed in respect to they are still very highly utilised on Monarch's flying programme, so probably still clocking the cyles nicely. Not sure whether they would still have the highest time?
 
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RE: Are Monarch's 757's On There Way Out?

Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:58 am

I'd guess MONB will now have around 80,000 hours and can't think of any active 757 being ahead.
 
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RE: Are Monarch's 757's On There Way Out?

Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:06 am

Yes thats alot of hours Monarch have looked after her well and is a credit to the company she still looks as good and performes as well as she did when delivered, i personally favor there A300 G-MONS nice aircraft enjoyed my flight on that.
 
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RE: Are Monarch's 757's On There Way Out?

Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:18 am

Quoting ScottishLaddie (Reply 15):
An increase from A320 to B752 is a downgrade?! Are you joking?!

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RE: Are Monarch's 757's On There Way Out?

Mon Feb 26, 2007 5:08 am

MONC and MOND were in fine condition when I flew them last year, nice machines for their age.

Monarch's 75s fit into the charter programme in the summer and winter extremely well (and also on the sched services), I really can't see them going any time soon. Plus, the Airbus guys at Monarch are already maxed out on the sched services; it probably wouldn't be a wise move to dump the 75s for this reason.

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RE: Are Monarch's 757's On There Way Out?

Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:30 am

Quoting Holidaycharter (Reply 25):
i personally favor there A300 G-MONS nice aircraft enjoyed my flight on that.

The A300's are work horses, but when they tech they are a nightmare, it backlogs everything else up especially when they do GOI via BAH, can be stuck out there for days. Last summer we had to send a 757 out there as cover when the flight wasn't full.

Some of the older A320's are struggling BB, CD and NX, BB recently had a hydraulic leak in BCN and was stuck out there for 2 days, as Iberia wouldn't do the engineering on it, so Monarch had to send out 4 of their own guys. Didn't really delay flights, as MAN has a 757 on standby, so that was used as cover.

Week before CD gave an underpower reading on number 1 engine, had to perform an engine run on stand prior to a flight to LEI. I spoke to the engineer about it, and he said he'd been expecting these days to come when their A320's started to get old.

3 A321's are due from bmi in the coming months, a nice little addition to a growing fleet.

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RE: Are Monarch's 757's On There Way Out?

Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:46 am

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 3):
Interesting to note that G-MOND, in the first picture, has different engines than the ones that propel her present day. She was delivered with RB211-535C engines, later refitted with -535E's.

Every 757 has been upgraded to or delivered with E engines at this point.
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RE: Are Monarch's 757's On There Way Out?

Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:44 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 29):
Every 757 has been upgraded to or delivered with E engines at this point.

Are you referring to the Monarch fleet only? There are still quite a few C powered 757's in service, most of which are with EAT or DHL Air.
 
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RE: Are Monarch's 757's On There Way Out?

Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:55 am

Quoting Lotsamiles (Reply 30):
There are still quite a few C powered 757's in service, most of which are with EAT or DHL Air.

Interesting. I was under the impression that all the C powered aircraft had been converted and all the ones past a certain time had been delivered as E models. Even more interesting given that DHL is a cargo carrier.
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RE: Are Monarch's 757's On There Way Out?

Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:16 pm

I flew on one of these STN - BGR - BGI, that was in 1990 and I was just getting into planes. We were allowed into the cockpit back then and as a 9 year old kid with a new fascination, ZB and the 757 have always been special to me for these earliest plane memories - plus you would also at least see one ZB 757 at LTN which was otherwise pretty dead pre U2 days. I remember the pilots being amazing friendly and great guys and the captain gave me a ZB 757 postcard which he signed and wished me all the best - I still have it and is of MONC, so ive always assumed that was the aircraft i flew on (if anyone can confirm that was the aircraft used on those charters that would be great...)
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