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Question About 747-400 Freighter Conversions

Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:21 am

Can someone explain to me the difference between a 747-400SF and a 747-400BCF? According to Jane's and a few other sources, a -400SF is simply a "converted freighter", which is what I thought a -400BCF was. Or is a BCF a freighter converted by Boeing and its associates?
 
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RE: Question About 747-400 Freighter Conversions

Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:56 am

At this moment, there are only 2 type of 747-400 Freighter conversion. It's either done with Boeing supervision (BCF) or it's done at IAL BEDEK.

B747-400BCF
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It is a B747-400 converted to a freighter using kits built by Boeing. The first contract for conversion is done by a contractor that Boeing appoints. The subsequent conversion can be done anywhere the airline choose to. The whole conversion is supervised by Boeing engineers and they certify the plane after the conversion is done up.

B747-400SF
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It is a B747-400 converted to a freighter using 747-200, 300 Side Cargo Door conversion kits. At this moment, it's done up in IAL's base in Tel Aviv. The certification of the plane is done by IAL. And it does not involve Boeing in the whole process.
 
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RE: Question About 747-400 Freighter Conversions

Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:44 am

Quoting Andrewtang (Reply 1):
At this moment, it's done up in IAL's base in Tel Aviv.

You sure about that ? I was of the understanding that some were being done in Cyprus and Taiwan.
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RE: Question About 747-400 Freighter Conversions

Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:48 am

First frame of B747-400SF was done in Tel Aviv. Subsequent ones will also be done up at associate partner engineering bases such as by EGAT, Taiwan. But i think they are too busy until recently having just converted 2 B747-400 into LCF.

Probably there are some already done up in other places. If that's it , i stand corrected. However it's still using IAL's kits for conversion.
 
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RE: Question About 747-400 Freighter Conversions

Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:46 pm

How do these two versions of converted 747-400 freighters compare in terms of loads and performance? I assume the BCF might be slightly better as Boeing itself is involved.

Quoting Andrewtang (Reply 1):
It is a B747-400 converted to a freighter using 747-200, 300 Side Cargo Door conversion kits

The BCF has the same freightdoor I guess. Isn´t the side cargo door the same on all 747 series? Even the 744F still has the windows (blanked except a single one) as the very first 742 Combis had in the mid-70s.
 
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RE: Question About 747-400 Freighter Conversions

Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:26 pm

I don't know about the IAL conversion, but the BCF conversion raises the floor of the upper deck to allow the same number of 10ft high positions as a 747-400F. The hump is not shortened, only the floor is raised. I believe that the floor is raised from behind the upper deck doors.
 
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RE: Question About 747-400 Freighter Conversions

Sun Feb 25, 2007 7:09 pm

Is there any 200's or 300's still being converted and is there any market/demand for them?
 
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RE: Question About 747-400 Freighter Conversions

Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:46 pm

No 742 or 743 has been converted since late 2005. I wonder what´ll happen with the few last 743s built in the late 80s, like the two Combis Egyptair retired in 2004/05 which are just 17. Or the 1987-built Combi D2-TEB which TAAG Angola just returned to its lessor (I think D2-TEA is still operated by TAAG).
 
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RE: Question About 747-400 Freighter Conversions

Sun Feb 25, 2007 9:25 pm

KE is doing some BCF's in Pusan, Korea presently. HL7606 was done by TAECO at XMN and HL7412 ex VT-AID and HL7481 was done by KE themselves which only re-entered service towards the start of this month.

From my reseach I think that Bedek at TLV has only done so far the 2 ex Air Canada 744M's now with Air China as B-2477 and 2478.

The exterior way to tell is that the BCF's have 3 windows not blanked out in the rear section of the upper deck and the IAL Bedek ones have all the windows in the rear portion of the upper deck blanked out.

Couple of questions myself:

Was that awful looking TF-AMI converted by Bedek? That plane is in depserate need of a wash!

Does anyone know if/what which B744's are currently at TLV being converted?? I know EVA Air and some ex ANA ones were due to be done in 2007.

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Tom/PER