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What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:33 am

What is the oldest passenger jet in service. Many passenger end their lives as cargo transport but which old bird is the oldesr still carring passengers. Could it be a DC8, 707, 727, a Russian jet, or a DC 9?
 
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:36 am

Quoting JAM747 (Thread starter):
What is the oldest passenger jet in service. Many passenger end their lives as cargo transport but which old bird is the oldesr still carring passengers. Could it be a DC8, 707, 727, a Russian jet, or a DC 9?

There are a few Saha Airlines 707s flying around Iran, and in the US, there are a couple of NW DC-9s that are 40+yrs old. Also, PanAm(operated by Boston-Maine Airlines) flies 727s up and down the east coast(to an ever changing list of destinations).
 
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:41 am

I seem to recall those PanAm 727s being some of the last off of the line (ex-UA). So the NW DC9s should beat them by at least 15 years.  

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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:48 am

Quoting Pgh234 (Reply 2):
seem to recall those PanAm 727s being some of the last off of the line (ex-UA). So the NW DC9s should beat them by at least 15 years.

I think the last 727s went to Fed Ex unless you mean't passenger versions. Bear in mind that the current Pan Am is different from the original so they might have gotten the current 727 from some where else and not from the original Pan Am.
 
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:10 am

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 1):
There are a few Saha Airlines 707s flying around Iran

Yeah, but weren't those built in the 70s? I could be wrong, but I thought I saw that those were some "young" 707s relatively speaking.

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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:08 am

Until December of 2005, I would have said the Grumman Mallards flown by Chalk International Airlines. Built circa 1947, I think they even predated the NW DC-9s
 
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:19 am

It has to be DC3s. There are many of them flying around, some of which are reaching the 60 year mark. Hands down has to be the DC3.
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:22 am

the title says oldest passenger jet

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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:23 am

I believe the thread starter was referring to JET airliners. So the Mallards, and the DC-3s dont count
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:00 pm

I will guess it is the USAF C-135. They can carry passengers.
 
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:40 pm

There was a reg plate inside of an nw dc-9 door that it appeared to be 68?? this was a year or 2 ago and a 71
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:41 pm

Quoting Bohica (Reply 9):
I will guess it is the USAF C-135. They can carry passengers.

Way way off top... the thread refers to Commerical Airlines... not Military, cargo or elsewise.... *begins searching for a moderator as i sense this thread is getting way off-topic8
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:13 pm

Amazing how well some planes are built last such as the DC-9
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:19 pm

I was about to say the DC9, but numerous others have beat me too it  silly 
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:52 pm

Quoting Bimmerkid19 (Reply 11):
Way way off top... the thread refers to Commerical Airlines... not Military, cargo or elsewise.... *begins searching for a moderator as i sense this thread is getting way off-topic8

You better read the original post. Nowhere does it say commercial airlines. Therefore it is not way off topic.
 
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 4:51 pm

Quoting Pgh234 (Reply 2):
I seem to recall those PanAm 727s being some of the last off of the line (ex-UA).

How about the Champion Air 727's. Certainly getting up there in age. Were they among the last of the line as well?
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:31 pm

Are there not a few BAC1-11's still in service somewhere? Would they out-date the DC-9's?
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 7:53 pm

What about the Caravelle? I seem to recall a tour operator in Gabon using one for passenger flights.
 
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:01 pm

Quoting Idlewild (Reply 17):
What about the Caravelle? I seem to recall a tour operator in Gabon using one for passenger flights.

NO Caravelles are flying anymore unfortunately. Gabon Express, which is featured in a nice video/DVD, stopped flying its Caravelle in 2001 already. The final cargo Caravelles stopped flying by 2005.
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:12 pm

What about the 732 they are getting old
UP has one from 1968 i belive
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:14 pm

Hi!

I think the oldest passenger jet in service is a Israel Air Force Boeing 707-329 4X-JYT, that rolled out at Renton in the 18th. December 1959, so it already passed 47 years old!!! No jet can beat that I'm sure. In December 1996 he logged 58.598 flying hours, and it was originally built to SABENA has OO-SJC. Here are some photos of the bird:


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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:16 pm

To all the generalisers, I believe that the thread starter wanted to know which is the oldest commercial jet airliner still in passenger service. That means not "732" or "DC-9" but a tail number and an operator.
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:19 pm

Oldest DC-9s has to be East African Airways :

5Y-XXC, line no 2, mfd 0565
5Y-XXB, line no 4, mfd 0665

They're possibly the oldest passenger jets still flying pax services.

The Saha 707s were all mfd in the 70s

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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:33 pm

Hi!

I have to check if Israel Air Force uses 4X-JYT in passenger service...they might who knows!!!
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:44 pm

Quoting CV990 (Reply 20):
Hi!

I think the oldest passenger jet in service is a Israel Air Force Boeing 707-329 4X-JYT, that rolled out at Renton in the 18th. December 1959, so it already passed 47 years old!!! No jet can beat that I'm sure. In December 1996 he logged 58.598 flying hours, and it was originally built to SABENA has OO-SJC. Here are some photos of the bird:

This bird is not a passenger jet if it is flying for the isreali air force.
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:53 pm

Hi!

Sorry but this bird IS a passenger jet...it was built has a passanger jet and it was used to take passengers, that's why SABENA got it. Maybe latter it was converted, by Israel Air Force but only them or maybe any israeli enthusiast can help us finding that out. Please don't forget that for example Iran Air Force ordered and received 707's that were a mixed passenger/refuelling and now they are used to carry passengers:


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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:18 pm

Quoting CV990 (Reply 25):
Sorry but this bird IS a passenger jet...it was built has a passanger jet and it was used to take passengers, that's why SABENA got it. Maybe latter it was converted, by Israel Air Force but only them or maybe any israeli enthusiast can help us finding that out. Please don't forget that for example Iran Air Force ordered and received 707's that were a mixed passenger/refuelling and now they are used to carry passengers:

Whatever it is now is what it is classified as!

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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:41 am

Champion has N697CA the last pax 727 off the line back in'83, but thats far from the oldest jet, probably a NW9 or SAHA 707.
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:53 am

OY-APG has been flying since the 1970's so i think it should hol the record

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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:54 am

The very earliest DC9 was built in 1965........So if there are any 727-100s that are flying around that were produced (first delivered to UAL in 1964) then they should also be considered...As for 727-200, you can almosty bet that any of the original 727-200s (UNadvanced) models are probably scrapped. There might be a fwe flying Cargo some place. Otherwise, some of those 727s were delivered on the late 70's early 80s....
The last of the DC9-30s and 50s off the line came out in the late 70 and early to mid 80s as well..
Yes there are plenty of Ex-American Airlines BAC One Eleven 400's flying around in corporate configurations and those were flying with AA in mid to late 60s as well....But then the BAC One Eleven is a tough old bird....
I am also willing to be that any of those YAK-40s and TU-134s flying around are pretty old as well...

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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:05 am

I think NWA's oldest DC-9 is DC-9-31 N8920E delivered to Eastern 3/29/67...

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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:56 am

The following BAC1-11s are known to be active, or have been in recent months, carrying passengers on some form of commercial operation:

067 401AK N161NG Northrop Grumman f/f 16/04/66 based Baltimore
078 401AK UN-B1110 GST Aero f/f 23/07/66 based Almaty
079 401AK XA-CMG Grupo Adelac f/f 06/08/66 based Toluca
083 212AR N200EE Select Leasing f/f 02/03/66 based Waukesha
086 401AK YR-CJL Jetex/MIA f/f 14/10/66 based Bucharest
087 401AK N162W Northrop Grumman f/f 29/10/66 based Baltimore
090 401AK N164W Northrop Grumman f/f 06/12/66 based Baltimore.

There is some debate as to how often the Baltimore based aircraft fly and if they carry passengers in the sense of transporting people from A to B or if the flights they make are for test purposes. Can anyone help?

N200EE must now be a leading contender at just short of 41 years old BUT the thread title says Passenger Jet, not Passenger Airliner so another contender must be N313JS, a Lockheed Jetstar still in regular service, again at just coming up to 41 and looking magnificent when I saw it at Shannon last summer.
 
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:04 am

Quoting Northwestewr (Reply 30):
I think NWA's oldest DC-9 is DC-9-31 N8920E delivered to Eastern 3/29/67...

Northwest's DC-9-31 (N8920E), fuselage number 95 is NWA's oldest flying DC-9.
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:28 am

Quoting Bohica (Reply 14):
You better read the original post. Nowhere does it say commercial airlines. Therefore it is not way off topic.



Quoting Andz (Reply 21):
To all the generalisers, I believe that the thread starter wanted to know which is the oldest commercial jet airliner still in passenger service. That means not "732" or "DC-9" but a tail number and an operator.

Just to clarify I started the post to find out the oldest passenger jet in service which means any passenger jet that still transport passengers. This could include military or private jets that carry passengers not just a commerial jet airlines . Some military jets with mutiple roles are still out fitted to sometimes carry civilian passengers such as a few 707s in Argenitina I think. If someone happens to mention a very old jet that was originally used as passenger but is still used for something else, that is OK as it is interesting info, but the main topic is jets still used to transport passengers. Thanks for all your input and I will keep watching and learning.  

[Edited 2007-02-25 22:30:56]
 
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:38 am

Just another thought, the RAF VC10s are in regular passenger service flying troops/diplomats and government ministers in an airline type layout. The first to fly was XR807 on 25/03/66 and this is still on RAF charge.

However, until someone can confirm that the Israeli 707, ex OO-SJC, is used for the transportation of passengers, the oldest passenger jet in service would seem to be S9-DBM a B727-22 which first flew on 12/04/65 and was delivered to United as N7031U msn 18323. After a career with United, Korean, Skybus, World, Air Atlanta, LADECO, UD Aviation, Southwest Jet and PDC1999 LLC, this magnificent old lady was seen carrying executive passengers into Goma, Congo on 09/10/2006 operating for Executive Jet Services and the aircraft is still current and believed to be in service.

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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:46 am

Quoting Philb (Reply 31):
The following BAC1-11s are known to be active, or have been in recent months, carrying passengers on some form of commercial operation:

067 401AK N161NG Northrop Grumman f/f 16/04/66 based Baltimore
078 401AK UN-B1110 GST Aero f/f 23/07/66 based Almaty
079 401AK XA-CMG Grupo Adelac f/f 06/08/66 based Toluca
083 212AR N200EE Select Leasing f/f 02/03/66 based Waukesha
086 401AK YR-CJL Jetex/MIA f/f 14/10/66 based Bucharest
087 401AK N162W Northrop Grumman f/f 29/10/66 based Baltimore
090 401AK N164W Northrop Grumman f/f 06/12/66 based Baltimore.

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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:48 am

So, let's try to recap:

Possible oldest, is 707 4X-JYT if it can be confirmed that it is both a passenger carrier and still flying
Next is S9-DBM
Then 5Y-XXB East African Express
5Y-XXC didn't become that as the transaction was cancelled and this is believed stored at Mojave, may now be b/u
N191US DC9-15 msn 45718 f/f 09/12/65 as PH-DNA last noted i/s with USA Jet Airlines at Phoenix 20/08/2006
5Y-XXA DC9-14 msn 45725 f/f 29/12/65 as CF-TLE now with East African Express
Then comes BAC1-11 N200EE, followed by VC10 XR807 then Jetstar N313JS.
After that the 1-11s listed in reply 31 are the likliest as none of the 1966 manufactured DC9s seem to be active though there may be the odd Biz Jet from 1966 or even before still flying.
 
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:53 am

Quoting 4holer (Reply 35):
The visitingphx.com website also lists N111JX as having visited PHX on 07/17/2007.

N111JX is msn 163 which first flew on 26/01/70 and is thus well out of contention
 
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:04 am

Wow amazingly no Russian jets made it or even came close. I know the first Tu-134s were delivered in 69 but those are of the now extinct "short" version which were all retired by the 90s. Yak-40s were put in service in 67-68 but those first examples have been retired as well. Il-62 of the base NK-8 engine version were first delivered in 67 or 68 but the last of those was retired by Kras Air last year. If turboprops counted there are still several Il-18s flying around.
 
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:11 am

The RAF still has an old Hawker Siddeley HS-125-2 Dominie T2 flying 'round. I think they were made in 1965.
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:44 am

EAA's Ford Tri-motor (N414H), built in 1929?
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:16 am

Quoting Bohlman (Reply 40):
EAA's Ford Tri-motor (N414H), built in 1929

Just digitised a pic of that today taken in 1980 at Grand Canyon Airport in Scenic's colours. Unfortunately it isn't a jet.

Quoting C680 (Reply 39):
The RAF still has an old Hawker Siddeley HS-125-2 Dominie T2 flying 'round. I think they were made in 1965.

The T2 is a navigation trainer, not a passenger carrier, those are CC1 and CC2.
 
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:29 pm

The oldest DC-9-14 in passenger service is in service with with East African Safari Air. It is Registration 5Y-XXB, MSN 45711 and fuselage number four. It was Douglas prototype four and ultimately delivered to Air Canada. It has operated for Douglas, Air Canada, Southern AW, Hawaiian AL, Finnair, British Midland, All Star AL, Midwest AL and now East African Safari Air.
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:34 am

Oldest bizzjet still around is probably N722Q
It's a MS760 manufactured in 1959.

It's offered for sale here

Quoting Sovietjet (Reply 38):
Wow amazingly no Russian jets made it or even came close. I know the first Tu-134s were delivered in 69 but those are of the now extinct "short" version which were all retired by the 90s.

Oldest Russian passenger jet still active (at least in 2006 it was) is likely to be Tu134 RA-65653.

It is (was) opb Sirius Aero, and was mfd in 1970.
Russian jets unfortunately don't get that old.
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:31 am

Quoting Northwestewr (Reply 30):

I think you are about 101 percent correct.
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:59 am

Quoting Dahlgardo (Reply 43):
Oldest bizzjet still around is probably N722Q
It's a MS760 manufactured in 1959.

Well, it will be when re-certificated (presumably on sale). As of now it has no valid airworthiness certificate according to the FAA.and the ad, unlike others on the vendor's site, says nothing about next inspection date etc, just gives the TT, which works out at 26.48 hrs per year!!
 
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Tue Feb 27, 2007 7:20 am

Quoting SJUSXM (Reply 8):
I believe the thread starter was referring to JET airliners. So the Mallards, and the DC-3s dont count

I thought the Mallards were made into Turbo Mallards, therefore JETS. Of course, they did not start out that way when they were built, and considering the misfortune of Chalk's, I guess it is a moot point.

What's amazing to me about this thread is that with all the one-off survivors around the world, former jets turned into military planes, etc., we still put NW's DC-9s in the same group. They are that old! I know that age doesn't correlate to safety, but these beasts are probably not the most efficient machines circa 2007. 40 years old for a modern airliner is simply AMAZING. I hope they reach 50.
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Tue Feb 27, 2007 7:43 am

Quoting Richierich (Reply 46):
I thought the Mallards were made into Turbo Mallards, therefore JETS.

I think you need to accept the generalised terminology which was used indicating the means whereby the main thrust is provided. The Mallards derive their thrust not from the jet but from the propellors spun by the product of a jet engine whereas the thread starter meant aircraft powered by the direct thrust from a jet engine (and let's not get into arguments about fan jets and ultra hi bypass fans. I think we all know the differentiation I'm referring to.
 
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RE: What Is The Oldest Passenger Jet In Service?

Tue Feb 27, 2007 8:00 am

Quoting CV990 (Reply 20):
In 2003 still with turbojets ( must have been awesome to listen that noise ) and in March 2006 already with turbofans.

They should have kept those JT4's on it!  Angry