TG992
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Important Note For All Crew Flying Into NZ

Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:03 pm

Hi all,

As you may or may not be aware, Additional aviation security screening measures are being introduced by the New Zealand government from the 31st March 2007, that will restrict the quantity of Liquids, Aerosols, and Gels permitted to be carried into aircraft cabins of aircraft departing NZ on all international
flights. These measures are intended to replicate the measures imposed by the EU, and also to be aligned with similar rules to be implemented on flights to and from Australia on the same date (31 March 2007).

While this is inconvenient and possibly unnecessary, that's not the point of my post.

Currently, no exemption is being planned for tech or cabin crew.

That means
* all liquids, aerosols and gels must be in containers of 100mls or less
* must carry their 100ml containers in a re-sealable transparent plastic bag of 1 litre volume (this is a re-sealable sandwich bag like those available at your local supermarket)
*allowed to carry on one, 1 litre transparent plastic bag
* the plastic bag must be re-sealable and presented separately from all other carry-on baggage at the screening point

This presents a level of inconvenience that is unacceptable for pilots and cabin crew operating into and out of NZ, including foreign airlines, that is not justified given the infinitesimal odds of crew plotting or participating in a terrorist attack. Female crew will be even more inconvenienced than us males.

RIGHT NOW THE POLICY IS BEING FINALISED AND CONSIDERATION IS BEING GIVEN TO AN EXEMPTION FOR CREW.

We need to make it clear to the NZ Govt that they need to exempt working crew from these security measures.

If you're crew operating into or out of NZ, no matter what airline, please express your thoughts via email to Hon Harry Duynhoven, Minister for Transport Safety at hduynhoven@ministers.govt.nz.

Thanks to all of you who do.
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loalq
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RE: Important Note For All Crew Flying Into NZ

Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:12 pm

It is also "inconvenient and unnaceptable" to passengers, not only for crew.

But, hey, we now have to live with that, don't we?  Yeah sure
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RE: Important Note For All Crew Flying Into NZ

Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:17 pm

Quoting TG992 (Thread starter):
While this is inconvenient and possibly unnecessary, that's not the point of my post.



Quoting Loalq (Reply 1):
It is also "inconvenient and unnaceptable" to passengers, not only for crew.

As I've already pointed out, Loalq, but thanks for reinforcing it.
I respectfully request this thread doesn't degenerate into an argument about whether the security measures are necessary or not. Another thread can be started for that.

This thread is intended to get some feedback into the Minister's inbox, since we crew have a slim window of opportunity to push our case for an exemption.
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PanAm747LHR
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RE: Important Note For All Crew Flying Into NZ

Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:24 pm

We don't fly into NZ, and even if we did, I wouldn't be senior enough to hold an AKL line for a good 20 years. Nonetheless, I sent him an email anyway. I hope things work out down there, TG992!

Best,
Nick
 
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RE: Important Note For All Crew Flying Into NZ

Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:30 pm

Quoting PanAm747LHR (Reply 3):
We don't fly into NZ, and even if we did, I wouldn't be senior enough to hold an AKL line for a good 20 years. Nonetheless, I sent him an email anyway. I hope things work out down there, TG992!

Thanks for the support, PanAm! I really feel for you guys - the seniority system is really hideous. Air NZ operates on a system where we can request one trip per month, the rest is assigned by computer. When prioritizing requests, the system completely ignores seniority and ranks you according to when you last got your requested trip. Also, some trips are classed as 'undesirable', and the computer makes sure everyone does an equal proportion of them per year.

I genuinely believe this fair and equitable rostering system has a lot to do with Air NZ's good reputation for customer service - we all do our fair share of good and not good trips, and have a great distribution of older and younger crew on each flight.
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loalq
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RE: Important Note For All Crew Flying Into NZ

Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:31 pm

Quoting TG992 (Reply 2):
This thread is intended to get some feedback into the Minister's inbox, since we crew have a slim window of opportunity to push our case for an exemption.

It within your right and I hope you manage to achieve that. It is like you said "is not justified given the infinitesimal odds of crew plotting or participating in a terrorist attack".

But if you could also take the opportunity to ask the minister to reconsider it for the passengers as well, I would be really grateful...  Wink

Good luck anyway, and please let us know the final statement of the policy, when it comes out.

Rgds, Loalq
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RE: Important Note For All Crew Flying Into NZ

Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:48 pm

Quoting TG992 (Reply 4):
I really feel for you guys - the seniority system is really hideous.

Actually, I don't mind it - it all works out in the end. I know people who are in the international base and can only hold a UK line, and end up doing all AMS, FRA, ARN, CPH, ZRH, etc. The thing is, once you receive your line, you may not actually fly any of those trips since you can trade with open time or other flight attendants. And you can pick up trips at the last minute too, or for instance the morning of your trip, trade it for something else that's not covered, as long as it checks in earlier. So in the end, it all seems to work out.
As for the support, any time! Hope all is well down in NZ.

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RE: Important Note For All Crew Flying Into NZ

Sun Feb 25, 2007 9:29 pm

Well the same thing is coming into effect here in Korea effect 1st March. So I can travel ICN-SYD and take only 100ml of liquids in a plastic bag, and yet travel SYD-ICN with whatever amount of liquid I like. Yes, it's an ICAO recommendation, but is it really necessary?
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RE: Important Note For All Crew Flying Into NZ

Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:10 pm

Quoting Loalq (Reply 1):
It is also "inconvenient and unnaceptable" to passengers, not only for crew.

But, hey, we now have to live with that, don't we?

It is inconvenient for everyone. However, passengers have the option of checking their luggage. Flight crew do not have that option. It must come in the cabin with us.
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