Continental123
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New Airline In The Works!

Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:43 pm

I just got word that a new airline, Air Culture, is in the building blocks and will be run by the Rosens (the former owners of RoseArt). They do not yet have a website but can be e-mailed at aircultureusa@yahoo.com if you have any questions. They are apparently intending to be based out of NYC or LA. I really hope the US can get a TRUE quality carrier besides CO.
 
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:50 pm

Air Culture? Who came up with that gem of a name?

[Edited 2007-02-25 05:54:31]
 
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:57 pm

Any source for this info?

Quoting Continental123 (Thread starter):
They are apparently intending to be based out of NYC or LA

Sounds like competition (or replacement) for VA  Wink But making the same mistakes.... Why not HQ in Albuquerque, NM and base in STL? The NYC/LAX problems are overwhelming...waste of money all around and inviting delays and disasters!

As for "culture".....I still like Albuquerque better than NYC or LAX  Wink

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 1):
Air Culture? Who came up with that gem of name?

I'll try to refrain from posting all the aerobiology inferences that run through my mind...
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:08 pm

Do you know what fleet Air Culture will possibly have or have they chose any cities under consideration?
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:24 pm

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 3):
Do you know what fleet Air Culture will possibly have or have they chose any cities under consideration?

Try e-mailing them.
 
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:47 pm

Quoting Continental123 (Thread starter):
They are apparently intending to be based out of NYC or LA.

Just what we need... aren't those markets overwhelmed enough with traffic???

Quoting Electech6299 (Reply 2):
Sounds like competition (or replacement) for VA But making the same mistakes.... Why not HQ in Albuquerque, NM and base in STL? The NYC/LAX problems are overwhelming...waste of money all around and inviting delays and disasters!

PIT would work!!!  spin  stirthepot  Wink
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:01 pm

Quoting Continental123 (Thread starter):
Rosens (the former owners of RoseArt). They do not yet have a website but can be e-mailed at aircultureusa@yahoo.com

I'm curious as to why the former owners of RoseArt would like to start an airline? I have a feeling they'll just end up broke.
 
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:08 pm

Annndd another airline about to go down the drain. If they even get started that is. Big grin (hate to be a downer)

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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:14 pm

Quoting TransWorldSTL (Reply 6):
I'm curious as to why the former owners of RoseArt would like to start an airline? I have a feeling they'll just end up broke.

I don't know about that... I wouldn't be so quick to judge that. We don't know what aircraft they intend to use, what type of markets they want to serve. It's not clear as to where they want to have their hq at. They indicate NYC and LA, and personally, I think both are already very saturated with several airlines... JFK already has a whole bunch of air service there, and is even the hq for B6. In addition to that, it has a DL hub, and an AA focus city. LGA has a US focus/shuttle city, as well as other substantial service from other airlines. EWR has a massive CO hub... LA area... let's see, UA hub, huge WN presence, LGB is slots restricted, according to numerous posts on the forum... Am I leaving out anyone? Oh yeah, besides the existing air service (in the NE), how about delays with all of the substantial intraregional traffic in the Northeast? It is the most urbanized part of the country, as if this is a surprise to anyone...

If they were to choose either one of those locations, I probably would say that they have a chance of being eaten alive by existing service, but I don't know; nobody knows for sure... People did say the same thing some 7 years ago when B6 took flight from JFK. Yeah, they're in a bit of a debacle now that they have to rectify, and they will, but still, they went strong and they will continue to go strong...
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:15 pm

Well, without knowing any specifics....

Such as where they intend to fly, or what type of service they plan on providing...I don't know what to say. Are they going to cater to leasure travel? Business markets? What type of fleet?


It'd be nice to have details  Smile
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:21 pm

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 9):
Such as where they intend to fly, or what type of service they plan on providing...I don't know what to say. Are they going to cater to leasure travel? Business markets? What type of fleet?


It'd be nice to have details

Bingo! You pretty much took my post and added some points that I missed, or pretty much built on my points stated above  Smile
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:22 pm

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 9):
Such as where they intend to fly, or what type of service they plan on providing...I don't know what to say. Are they going to cater to leasure travel? Business markets? What type of fleet?

That is the reason I gave their e-mail (aircultureusa@yahoo.com). They will answer all o your questions
 
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:56 pm

I'm sorry I just realized i misquoted them about their hub. They said they did NOT want to operate out of NY or LA but instead actually wanted to operate out of MCO or Sanford.
 
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:42 pm

Quoting Continental123 (Reply 11):

That is the reason I gave their e-mail (aircultureusa@yahoo.com).

A company having a Yahoo! email address doesn't elicit thoughts of a real entity; especially an airline (with that kind of email address, sounds like a virtual airline). It's hard to take a company serious when their email address is a Yahoo! one. If this group is really serious about starting an airline, they should have already at the very least had some semblances of a website up and associated email addresses as well.

In all honesty, Air Culture will probably never be anything more than a paper airline. Here's a partial list of airlines over the last 10 years that never got past or have yet to go past the paper stage:

Crystal Airways
Oneida Airlines
Northern Airlines
Heartland Airlines (Actually ordered some 717s. Some of the folks are involved with Skybus)
Air Gumbo
DirectAir
West Coast Airlines
Project Roam
California Airlines
CalJet
Air 4000/Han Airways
Oregon Express Air Lines
 
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:55 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 13):
A company having a Yahoo! email address doesn't elicit thoughts of a real entity; especially an airline (with that kind of email address, sounds like a virtual airline). It's hard to take a company serious when their email address is a Yahoo! one. If this group is really serious about starting an airline, they should have already at the very least had some semblances of a website up and associated email addresses as well.

Like Skybus to an extent. At least they have their website at skybus.com...

To that list, can we add Victory Airlines? That airline that was supposed to be started up and based at either MEM or PIT? What ever happened to that? The last I heard of that, the person already go approval to lease a few 737s, and then nothing... Did this idea crash and burn? This was almost a year ago that this proposal occurred...
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:42 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 13):
A company having a Yahoo! email address doesn't elicit thoughts of a real entity; especially an airline (with that kind of email address, sounds like a virtual airline). It's hard to take a company serious when their email address is a Yahoo! one. If this group is really serious about starting an airline, they should have already at the very least had some semblances of a website up and associated email addresses as well.

As I said before, they are finishing their website and should be done by the end of the month.
 
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:59 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 13):
In all honesty, Air Culture will probably never be anything more than a paper airline

wasn't there one supposed to go to RIX and LED with a 747 also?...and I think some other one that was supposed to go to Africa...both, I'm pretty sure never made it past the "official" announcement/web page stage...grain of salt here.
 
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Mon Feb 26, 2007 5:32 am

Air Culture sounds like something coming out of a Petri dish. Maybe they are looking for investors and therefore only an e-mail address. Anyway, in my opinion, the proposed name is all wrong. It sounds like a mole growing on your body. Try Razor Air and get rid of that mole.
 
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Mon Feb 26, 2007 5:41 am

i dont understand, what causes these airlines(paper ones) not to launch???
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Mon Feb 26, 2007 5:57 am

If anybody wants to make any money in aviation, they should start a fractional or private jet company. Private jet sector is at a major boom right now and will continue to be, thanks to 9/11, TSA, and incompetent airlines.
 
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:08 am

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 20):
If anybody wants to make any money in aviation, they should start a fractional or private jet company. Private jet sector is at a major boom right now and will continue to be, thanks to 9/11, TSA, and incompetent airlines.

Actually, I read someplace (MSNBC?) that the fractional ownership companies are having serious financial problems due to the inability to provide jets to their clients at the times and placed needed by the clients. To meet their commitments, some companies have had to charter extra jets at great expense to go pick up clients at various destinations because everyone wants a plane ride home friday night or the day before a holiday -- the planes often return empty. I understand some companies are reworking their marketing and pricing to encourage off peak usage and return trips, but they have a lot of work to do.

It's not easy to make a profit off of flying planes it seems.
 
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:15 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 13):
In all honesty, Air Culture will probably never be anything more than a paper airline. Here's a partial list of airlines over the last 10 years that never got past or have yet to go past the paper stage:

Crystal Airways
Oneida Airlines
Northern Airlines
Heartland Airlines (Actually ordered some 717s. Some of the folks are involved with Skybus)
Air Gumbo
DirectAir
West Coast Airlines
Project Roam
California Airlines
CalJet
Air 4000/Han Airways
Oregon Express Air Lines

You can add Trans Caribbean Airways to that list.

www.flytca.com
 
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:30 am

Quoting Tsnamm (Reply 16):
wasn't there one supposed to go to RIX and LED with a 747 also?

Baltia Air. I believe that airline has been through at least a dozen different "immediate start-up dates" until today  Yeah sure .
 
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:33 am

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 21):
Actually, I read someplace (MSNBC?) that the fractional ownership companies are having serious financial problems due to the inability to provide jets to their clients at the times and placed needed by the clients. To meet their commitments, some companies have had to charter extra jets at great expense to go pick up clients at various destinations because everyone wants a plane ride home friday night or the day before a holiday -- the planes often return empty. I understand some companies are reworking their marketing and pricing to encourage off peak usage and return trips, but they have a lot of work to do.

Yea right now there is too much demand and not enough man power on the fractional side. Netjets for example can't staff their aircraft fast enough. And currently there are only 2 major and 2 or 3 smaller fractional companies. That's why I'm saying go fractional/private not the airline route.
 
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:39 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 23):
Quoting Tsnamm (Reply 16):
wasn't there one supposed to go to RIX and LED with a 747 also?

Baltia Air. I believe that airline has been through at least a dozen different "immediate start-up dates" until today

wasn't it supposed to be a 747 service between LED and JFK? Where did you get RIX from? (from post #16)
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:02 am

Although I live in Riga, I've never heard of Baltia Air. Just another paper shuffle.
 
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:15 am

well seeing how RoseArt has cheap products, im guessing that this airline will be pretty cheap too.......
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:24 pm

Quote:
Real Name: Matthew Francisco Rosen

Suggested deletion, this is a plug. What a joke, "I'm going to start an airline that uses $20-40million jets, but I'm not going to go to the trouble to get a real email address, not only that, but I'm going to plug it on an aviation website and pretend I have nothing to do with it." What a sham, honestly.
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:08 pm

Hey guys,

I emailed them last night and got a answer back this morning.

MEACEDAR- My name is BJ, and I am a member of airlines.net and I was browsing
through the forum and word is that your airline is the process of
forming. Can you tell me a little more about your airline? What is
your fleet going to consist of? Where you are hoping to fly to? Where
your hub will be? Your airlines logo/color?

Reply AIR CULTURE-Hello BJ, thank you for contacting Air Culture. So far we have access to 7 Boeing 727-200s, 4 Boeing 737-200s, 3 Boeing 767-200s, and 2 Gulfstream G5s. We are intending to fly routes from a hub in Orlando to various destinations throughout America and Europe. Our airline's livery will consist of an all black plane with Large White Titles reading "Air Culture" and a red crescent moon on the tail. Thank You.
 
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:47 pm

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 29):
Reply AIR CULTURE-Hello BJ, thank you for contacting Air Culture. So far we have access to 7 Boeing 727-200s,...

OK, so this guarantees a market consisting largely of airliners.net'ers who will be psyched to fly on the 727s once again.

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 29):
... We are intending to fly routes from a hub in Orlando to various destinations throughout America ...

Take a number!

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 29):
Our airline's livery will consist of an all black plane ...

All black? Did they even attempt to learn any lessons from existing carriers? The one lesson they could have learned from USAirways, for instance, is that a plane that is painted in a dark color requires more energy to cool its interior while it is parked on a ramp than a plane painted in a light color.

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 29):
...and a red crescent moon on the tail. Thank You.

Don't get me started on the red crescent moon symbol... but I don't think that's a good idea.

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 29):
with Large White Titles reading "Air Culture"

I don't know about you, but when I read "Air Culture" for the first time, I thought: no in-flight meal service, but they will serve yogurt.  slaphappy 
 
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:52 pm

Here's what I think of this new airline.

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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:37 pm

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 25):
wasn't it supposed to be a 747 service between LED and JFK? Where did you get RIX from? (from post #16)

I'm pretty sure I recall hearing a number of different Baltic States destinations as well...I think they had a web site and released a bunch of press releases...I'll check...but Baltia it was!
 
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:44 pm

here is the link...
RE: Baltia To Fly JFK - Russia (by Tsnamm May 23 2006 in Civil Aviation)


and here is a part of a transcript....

The promoters’ e-mails sound a common theme; Baltia Air, they say, has big plans for 2002, including service to eight domestic and international destinations – Russia, Latvia, the Ukraine, Belarus, Chicago, Orlando, Florida and Los Angeles. That’s not all. According to the promoters, Baltia Air plans to have 560 employees and operate seven aircraft - four Boeing 747-200’s and three Boeing 737-200’s – all before the end of the year 2002.
 
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:16 am

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 29):
Reply AIR CULTURE-Hello BJ, thank you for contacting Air Culture. So far we have access to 7 Boeing 727-200s, 4 Boeing 737-200s, 3 Boeing 767-200s, and 2 Gulfstream G5s. We are intending to fly routes from a hub in Orlando to various destinations throughout America and Europe. Our airline's livery will consist of an all black plane with Large White Titles reading "Air Culture" and a red crescent moon on the tail. Thank You.

I like to cheer on innovation and new entrants as much as anybody, but the reply above (and I agree, use of a yahoo.com e-mail is sketchy in the extreme) suggests that they are highlighting the wrong things -- multiple aircraft types with no description of a consistent plan, and the third most important thing to mention is their livery?? Sounds like me in 4th grade, inventing airlines. Financial backing? Model of operation? Marketing plan? What does "access" mean? Hiring? Planned startup? Certification? All those would be top issues if I were trying to convince the aviation community of why I needed to start a new airline.

I agree, this is a lightly provisioned "fishing trip" at best, or a juvenile (I don't mean that in a bad way) experiment or class project at worst. Nothing wrong with that, but don't get excited about it.

-Rampart
 
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:30 am

Quoting BN727flyr (Reply 30):
All black? Did they even attempt to learn any lessons from existing carriers? The one lesson they could have learned from USAirways, for instance, is that a plane that is painted in a dark color requires more energy to cool its interior while it is parked on a ramp than a plane painted in a light color.

I wonder if Maytag or General Electric will supply any parts... They are, of course, oven makers... And an all-black painted plane would be just that, an oven with wings... Hey... if this even happens, maybe we will finally get to see an over or a toaster fly!!!  rotfl 

I would love to have the opportunity to fly on a 727, but not at the price of sweating my @$$ off!!!

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 31):
Here's what I think of this new airline.

Good one!  rotfl  rotfl 
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Tue Feb 27, 2007 8:08 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 13):
Here's a partial list of airlines over the last 10 years that never got past or have yet to go past the paper stage:

Crystal Airways
Oneida Airlines
Northern Airlines
Heartland Airlines (Actually ordered some 717s. Some of the folks are involved with Skybus)
Air Gumbo
DirectAir
West Coast Airlines
Project Roam
California Airlines
CalJet
Air 4000/Han Airways
Oregon Express Air Lines

And another one for you: Trans Pacific Airlines (back in 2000, to start with HNL to SAN & PDX...)
http://starbulletin.com/2000/03/22/business/story3.html

bb
 
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:43 am

I emailed them again!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MEACEDAR-
Dear Tom,

Some airliners.net members have asked me to ask you a couple of more questions. What do you mean by "access"? Where do you intend to fly from MCO? When do you plan on actually having your planes depart from various cities? Is Air Culture going to upgrade the aircrafts in anyway? When will you start hiring people?

Any more information would really be appreciated!

BJ

REPLY-

We expect to commence operations starting Winter 2008 to Summer 2009. By access we mean that we currently are leasing the planes for four years starting in 2008. We will fly to the American Northeast, West, Midwest, and to select airports in Europe and during the winter, the caribbean. We will most likely end up replacing the 727s with other 732s and we hope to replace our 762s with the Boeing 767-200ER. We already have about 10 customer service representitives and our head personnel and we expect to hire many more in the near future. On March 4th we will be opening our website so stay in touch for more info.
 
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:46 pm

Quoting Rampart (Reply 34):
I like to cheer on innovation and new entrants as much as anybody, but the reply above (and I agree, use of a yahoo.com e-mail is sketchy in the extreme) suggests that they are highlighting the wrong things -- multiple aircraft types with no description of a consistent plan, and the third most important thing to mention is their livery?? Sounds like me in 4th grade, inventing airlines. Financial backing? Model of operation? Marketing plan? What does "access" mean? Hiring? Planned startup? Certification? All those would be top issues if I were trying to convince the aviation community of why I needed to start a new airline.

Read MEACEDAR's question first.
 
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:07 pm

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 5):
aren't those markets overwhelmed enough with traffic???

They very much are! If I were an airline that actually WAS trying to operate out of NYC I would use Stewart Intl in Newburgh Instead of JFK or LGA, and ONT Instead of LAX.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 13):
Air 4000

That would work better around 2000 years from now, when the marketing would just create itself!  Wink
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:15 pm

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 18):
i dont understand, what causes these airlines(paper ones) not to launch???

No investors. P

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 27):
well seeing how RoseArt has cheap products, im guessing that this airline will be pretty cheap too.......

HAHA! Exactly what I was thinking. I HATE RoseArt products.

Quoting Bohlman (Reply 28):
Quote:
Real Name: Matthew Francisco Rosen

Suggested deletion, this is a plug. What a joke, "I'm going to start an airline that uses $20-40million jets, but I'm not going to go to the trouble to get a real email address, not only that, but I'm going to plug it on an aviation website and pretend I have nothing to do with it." What a sham, honestly.

Who's profile is that from?
 
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Tue Feb 27, 2007 7:14 pm

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 37):
We expect to commence operations starting Winter 2008 to Summer 2009. By access we mean that we currently are leasing the planes for four years starting in 2008. We will fly to the American Northeast, West, Midwest, and to select airports in Europe and during the winter, the caribbean. We will most likely end up replacing the 727s with other 732s and we hope to replace our 762s with the Boeing 767-200ER.

So let me get this right:
"Longterm", if you can call it that, they want to replace a 150-180-seat fuel guzzling threeholer with a fuel-guzzling 100-130-seat twin? Wow, that would help fuel burn and CASM  Silly . And of course, replace non-ER 762s with 762ERs. Of course that begs the question as to how they want to fly from MCO to Europe on non-ER 762s. Route them MCO-BGR-KEF-Europe? Soo much logic behind that plan... not!
$20 says that airline will never fly, and another $20 says there will nonetheless be a few gullible investors willing to waste their money in this scam, err, "serious business idea".
 
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:56 am

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 36):
We expect to commence operations starting Winter 2008 to Summer 2009. By access we mean that we currently are leasing the planes for four years starting in 2008. We will fly to the American Northeast, West, Midwest, and to select airports in Europe and during the winter, the caribbean. We will most likely end up replacing the 727s with other 732s and we hope to replace our 762s with the Boeing 767-200ER. We already have about 10 customer service representitives and our head personnel and we expect to hire many more in the near future. On March 4th we will be opening our website so stay in touch for more info.

If I weren't staring at a calendar in front of me I would swear this was April Fools Day!  twocents 
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:59 am

Quoting KPDX (Reply 7):
Annndd another airline about to go down the drain. If they even get started that is. (hate to be a downer)

 checkmark 

Just one question - WHY?
 
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:16 am

Personally I think that some of these so called start ups are really created by teenage armchair airline CEO's that get off to the fact that they are generating so much "buzz" on this website. Crystal Airways is a good example of this. In 2003 their website indicated that they started up a holding company Crystal Airways Systems Holdings, Inc, which is still not registered anywhere. You'd think in four years they'd have their little corporation registered in Delaware as indicated.
These kids get creative with web design and with Mommy & Daddy footing the bill for the webspace, they create these things and sit back and laugh their asses off watching all the buzz.
Geesh, if we let these kids have their way they'd be flying DC-3's JFK-LHR and 747-400's LAX-SNA! I know the DC-3 doesn't have the range, but it makes for interesting hype!
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rampart
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:04 am

Quoting Continental123 (Reply 37):
Read MEACEDAR's question first.

Yup, looks like it posted while I was writing mine. So, why weren't they forthcoming with the original response, and decided that letting us know that black livery with a red crescent logo was a priority thing to know? I still can't get over that. I think they're making it up as they go.

They didn't explain the Gulfstreams. Maybe they're really a diabolical organization bent on accelerating global warming by burning as much jet fuel in the upper atmosphere as possible, in order to establish a hydroponic tomato cartel in Kangerlussuaq. Sounds just as plausible.

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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:14 am

Quoting Rampart (Reply 44):
why weren't they forthcoming with the original response, and decided that letting us know that black livery with a red crescent logo was a priority thing to know? I still can't get over that. I think they're making it up as they go.

As Continental123 stated, read the question.

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 28):
Can you tell me a little more about your airline? ....Your airlines logo/color?

Gee, I hate businesses that consider answering questions a priority  Wink Perhaps your comments should be directed to MEACEDAR, who considered that a priority question to ask...

If you want more explanations, ask them the questions yourself!
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richierich
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:27 am

Quoting Electech6299 (Reply 2):
I'll try to refrain from posting all the aerobiology inferences that run through my mind...

Kind of what I was thinking. I guess Air Vag-Discharge was taken??

Quoting TransWorldSTL (Reply 6):
I'm curious as to why the former owners of RoseArt would like to start an airline? I have a feeling they'll just end up broke.

Perhaps - but I'd have to think that Air Culture is just the name given during this "exploratory" stage. Just what the Northeast needs is another airline, but I agree that we can't really assess its credibility until we know what equipment and/or what routes they intend to fly. Flying 747s out of JFK or EWR bound for Europe would be completely different than flying Cessnas out of TTN, right? And why RoseArt? I guess I don't get that connection either. When I think of RoseArt, I don't think "airline" or "large bankroll necessary to get an airline off the ground", but what the hell do I know?
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Continental123
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:37 am

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 36):
Where do you intend to fly from MCO?

It says that they'll be operating out of MCO.
 
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:57 am

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 43):
Personally I think that some of these so called start ups are really created by teenage armchair airline CEO's that get off to the fact that they are generating so much "buzz" on this website. Crystal Airways is a good example of this. In 2003 their website indicated that they started up a holding company Crystal Airways Systems Holdings, Inc, which is still not registered anywhere. You'd think in four years they'd have their little corporation registered in Delaware as indicated.
These kids get creative with web design and with Mommy & Daddy footing the bill for the webspace, they create these things and sit back and laugh their asses off watching all the buzz.
Geesh, if we let these kids have their way they'd be flying DC-3's JFK-LHR and 747-400's LAX-SNA! I know the DC-3 doesn't have the range, but it makes for interesting hype!

Not if you check the "Unlimited Fuel" option in Flight Simulator!  duck 

Seriously, I'm also doubtful of this new airline. The email address and the thread-starter's behavior have led me to conclude that this is a VA concept that the thread starter's trying to see if the Airliners.net community likes, hence the unlikely choice of fleet, operational structure, and focus on questions like the livery and not so much the real-world issues that a new airline would face.
 
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RE: New Airline In The Works!

Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:03 am

Quoting TransWorldSTL (Reply 39):
Who's profile is that from?

It was in Continental123s profile before he changed it.
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