aa87
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LGA Take-Off From RWY 22

Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:08 pm

I was just reading a thread on LGA and jogged my memory of taking off on Runway 22 on a DL 757 once. It was right after a US crew reported a pothole on 13-31 (gotta luv NYC - even the runways have potholes). Anyway, for anyone who knows LGA, 22 departure was one of the strangest experiences. Climbing out south/southwest over Astoria and then Staten Island felt like a completely different city, since none of the standard departures do that.

Anyone else ever take off from 22 ?
 
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RE: LGA Take-Off From RWY 22

Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:57 pm

Is 22 the one that looks like your landing on a dock???
i can see for 80 miles
 
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RE: LGA Take-Off From RWY 22

Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:33 pm

you would think if 13-31 was OOS that you would have departed from 4. I have never heard of departures from 22, seems like it would interfere with JFK and/or EWR airspace.
 
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RE: LGA Take-Off From RWY 22

Sun Feb 25, 2007 4:01 pm

I seem to remember a take-of from 22, yes... I can't be completely sure though, but almost.
If this is right, it was a 717 flight, ME, summer 2006.

Then we did a 270deg left turn.
 
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RE: LGA Take-Off From RWY 22

Sun Feb 25, 2007 4:09 pm

22 departures are not particularly unusual. I used to live in Woodside, literally directly under the extended centerline of this runway. We got 22 takeoffs almost every morning. It's not the most common departure configuration, but anybody who lives in the same area I did will tell you how many takeoffs they have to deal with overhead every week. On weekends, I almost always got woken up way too early in the morning by 22 departures.

A 22 departure with a turn to the *right*, as seems to have been suggested in the original post, may be more unusual. I believe the standard 22 departure is a turn to the left shortly after takeoff, which wouldn't take you over Astoria, it would take you over East Elmhurst.

You can look at the SIDS for LGA, though - there are several 22 departures, it's a perfectly standard departure.

Edit: here is the "La Guardia One" departure; you can see there is a 22 departure and a standard left turn: http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0702/00289LAGUARDIA.PDF

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RE: LGA Take-Off From RWY 22

Sun Feb 25, 2007 4:22 pm

Doesn't JFK have 22L/22R takeoffs frequently? And, of course, EWR does all the time. It would seem that a LGA 22 takeoff would "split the middle" (so to speak).

Slightly off-topic (sorry!):

I saw a queue of 20 or so planes awaiting takeoff on 31L at DFW in July 2001. Highly unusual, but there were strong westerly winds that afternoon.

I'd LOVE to witness a takeoff from 19L/19R at SFO - but I've read that 10L/10R takeoffs aren't all that rare.

EDIT: Just as I mentioned the 31L takeoffs during the summer of 2001 they had to do it again just today - see the post titled DFW Dust and Crosswind Delays...

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aa87
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RE: LGA Take-Off From RWY 22

Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:53 pm

Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 1):
Is 22 the one that looks like your landing on a dock???

Yes, 22 is most commonly used rwyfor landings, but rare for take-off. Not sure the reason, probably has to do with tight real estate at LGA, winds, etc. But I've also wondered if safety was a factor. Of the 4 runways at LGA (2 strips that cross), 3 lead into the bay, and there have been overruns or crashes off at least 2 of them. 22 overrun leads immediately into the Grand Centra Pkwy and various buildings.

Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 4):
22 departures are not particularly unusual.

. Thanks, that was the response I was looking for. I grew up in the area but not "in the zone" so you would know better. Interesting, in all the years of driving by LGA and fying in/out, that was the only 22 departure I'd ever seen. And yes, clibmout was slightly to the left, so Elmhurst would be correct.
 
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RE: LGA Take-Off RWY 22

Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:26 am

Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 4):
22 departures are not particularly unusual.

How many days-- in the last year, say-- can you find departures from 22 on http://www4.passur.com/lga.html ?

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