jetjeanes
Posts: 905
Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 6:42 am

Boeing Is It Producing Higher End Jets

Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:58 am

Maybe somene can help me on this but the only low end pax Jet they seem to produce now is the 737.
Just looking it appears all their aircraft will have higher capacity jets.. They produce nothing between 737 and 767 anymore
and nothing smaller than a 737... lets look at somethings. Im sure you guys can answer and see


Aircraft #Pax Cost

747

787

777

767

737

It just seems they only have one low end jet the 737... So techically there are only 4 types coing of the line now
and soon 5 after completion of the 787
i can see for 80 miles
 
User avatar
JBo
Posts: 1645
Joined: Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:23 am

RE: Boeing Is It Producing Higher End Jets

Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:05 am

The 737 is the smallest capacity jet Boeing has ever produced, and they are not likely to produce anything smaller.

The preceeding aircraft ... the 707, and 727. The 757 succeeded these two aircraft in the lineage, and now the 757 series has more or less been succeeded by the 737-900 at the low end and the proposed 787-3 at the high end.
I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.
 
RichardPrice
Posts: 4474
Joined: Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:12 am

RE: Boeing Is It Producing Higher End Jets

Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:16 am

Quoting JBo (Reply 1):
The 737 is the smallest capacity jet Boeing has ever produced, and they are not likely to produce anything smaller.

You forget the 717.

The 737 series does the job that cover the respective range that the 767,77,787 and 747 do, there are a lot of sub models in the 737 series and thus no real need for another aircraft in the range.
 
gkirk
Posts: 23353
Joined: Thu Jun 15, 2000 3:29 am

RE: Boeing Is It Producing Higher End Jets

Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:20 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 2):
You forget the 717.

The 737 series does the job that cover the respective range that the 767,77,787 and 747 do, there are a lot of sub models in the 737 series and thus no real need for another aircraft in the range.

Neither Scarebus or Boring has produced an a/c capable of replacing the 757
When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
 
DfwRevolution
Posts: 8940
Joined: Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:31 pm

RE: Boeing Is It Producing Higher End Jets

Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:38 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 3):
Neither Scarebus or Boring has produced an a/c capable of replacing the 757

Except the 737-900ER and A321 which can handily fly the vast, vast majority of routes the 757 is used.
I have a three post per topic limit. You're welcome to have the last word.
 
ASEFlyer
Posts: 98
Joined: Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:06 am

RE: Boeing Is It Producing Higher End Jets

Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:24 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 4):
Except the 737-900ER and A321 which can handily fly the vast, vast majority of routes the 757 is used.

Yeah, but I don't think they can do hot and high like the 757....it's weird to think in 10 or so years those things are going to be rare!
 
User avatar
JBo
Posts: 1645
Joined: Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:23 am

RE: Boeing Is It Producing Higher End Jets

Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:44 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 2):
You forget the 717.

You are right, I did. However, it can be argued that the 717 was actually developed by McDonnell-Douglas. The 737 is still the smallest commercial aircraft devleoped by Boeing.
I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.
 
mpdpilot
Posts: 726
Joined: Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:44 am

RE: Boeing Is It Producing Higher End Jets

Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:51 am

Quoting ASEFlyer (Reply 5):
Except the 737-900ER and A321 which can handily fly the vast, vast majority of routes the 757 is used.

Yeah, but I don't think they can do hot and high like the 757....it's weird to think in 10 or so years those things are going to be rare

So if the A321 and the 737-900ER fall so short of the 757 what will boeing or airbus for that matter do about it. The 757 is an amazingly popular airplane at least here in the states. I would think that at least one of them would try to fill the gap.

why not do like the 757/767 and just make a narrow body 787-3
One mile of highway gets you one mile, one mile of runway gets you anywhere.
 
jetjeanes
Posts: 905
Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 6:42 am

RE: Boeing Is It Producing Higher End Jets

Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:53 am

interesting concept... so the 717 was smaller than the 737, and im kinda of thinking the rj,s may have killed the smaller boeing because of the union rule of the number of seats that a regional could fly mainline..

I agree the 757 had a niche in its market, but with the 767,777,787,747 one has got to get killed off
i can see for 80 miles
 
N1120A
Posts: 26468
Joined: Sun Dec 14, 2003 5:40 pm

RE: Boeing Is It Producing Higher End Jets

Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:41 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 2):
You forget the 717.

Actually, the smallest 737 was smaller than the 717  Wink

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 4):
Except the 737-900ER and A321 which can handily fly the vast, vast majority of routes the 757 is used.

Both are smaller, slower and with less performance as well as not offering a variant the size of the 753. Further, the 752's CASM competes with those of the 739 and A321, not to mention its ability to fly longer range routes.
Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
 
DfwRevolution
Posts: 8940
Joined: Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:31 pm

RE: Boeing Is It Producing Higher End Jets

Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:44 am

Quoting ASEFlyer (Reply 5):
Yeah, but I don't think they can do hot and high like the 757...

Yes, and what percentage of 757 departures require the full capability of the airplane? Again, a very small minority.  Yeah sure

Quoting MPDPilot (Reply 7):
So if the A321 and the 737-900ER fall so short of the 757 what will boeing or airbus for that matter do about it.

For the time being, absolutely nothing. The 737-900ER is considerably more economical than the 757-200 on routes within the performance envelope of both aircraft, and the -900ER benefits from mechanical and crew commonality with the other 737NG variants.

The long-term replacement to the 737NG series will likely include a variant sized closely to the 757-200, perhaps with greater performance compared to the 737-900ER.
I have a three post per topic limit. You're welcome to have the last word.
 
EI321
Posts: 4829
Joined: Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:43 pm

RE: Boeing Is It Producing Higher End Jets

Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:59 am

Quoting MPDPilot (Reply 7):
So if the A321 and the 737-900ER fall so short of the 757 what will boeing or airbus for that matter do about it

Theres a reason the 757 is no longer in production. There is not sufficient demand for the areas that the aircraft ourperforms the 737 and A321 to offset the higher overall cost of operating the 757. Most airlines no longer need its excess performance.
 
JAAlbert
Posts: 1671
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:43 pm

RE: Boeing Is It Producing Higher End Jets

Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:46 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 11):
Theres a reason the 757 is no longer in production.

Its a damn shame. I love the power of the 757!
 
iahflyer
Posts: 249
Joined: Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:34 pm

RE: Boeing Is It Producing Higher End Jets

Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:59 pm

Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 8):
767,777,787,747 one has got to get killed off

I choose 767 to die not 757. The 757 hot and high capabilities are just to goo to pass up, as previously stated.
Little airports with the big jets are the best!! Floyd
 
TrijetsRMissed
Posts: 1983
Joined: Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:15 pm

RE: Boeing Is It Producing Higher End Jets

Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:29 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 11):
Most airlines no longer need its excess performance.

Most airlines do need the 757 for their current operations. Notice how every US legacy carrier has them in their fleet, however, they do not need more of them.

Quoting IAHFLYER (Reply 13):
I choose 767 to die not 757.

The 767 will undoubtedly be the next to go on the list.
There's nothing quite like a trijet.
 
mpdpilot
Posts: 726
Joined: Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:44 am

RE: Boeing Is It Producing Higher End Jets

Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:54 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 11):
Theres a reason the 757 is no longer in production. There is not sufficient demand for the areas that the aircraft ourperforms the 737 and A321 to offset the higher overall cost of operating the 757. Most airlines no longer need its excess performance.

Then why are they such a hot commodity. I would say that there is a need for a 757 type airplane in the future when the 757's life span comes to an end.
One mile of highway gets you one mile, one mile of runway gets you anywhere.
 
PEET7G
Posts: 468
Joined: Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:00 pm

RE: Boeing Is It Producing Higher End Jets

Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:29 pm

I think Boeing is on the right track and has just about cover for every size from the 736 to the 744 (currently and 748 later). As much as I love the 757 and miss them rolling off the lines. I do think the 739ER will take over the lower end customers and the upcoming 788 or 783 will take the higher end customers of the 757. Either way I also believe that the decision to end the 757s production came at a pretty unlucky time, when orders dried up, but I do think quit some orders could have been bagged in at a later time when airlines reinvented it's capabilities  Sad
Peet7G
 
columba
Posts: 5085
Joined: Fri Dec 10, 2004 10:12 pm

RE: Boeing Is It Producing Higher End Jets

Mon Feb 26, 2007 5:39 pm

Quoting ATW Online:

Commercial Airplanes President Scott Carson suggested that environmental issues are a "top priority" at Boeing and that
it may move the baseline for the 737 replacement higher than the current 90-200 seats to a 130/230-seat platform.
Carson told this website that "environmental issues would put upward pressure on capacity." He said the manufacturer is conducting trade studies on two fuselage widths and possibly could offer the market two solutions with common cockpits, wings and engines. This concept is not new and was floated as the Low Cost Modular Aircraft by a McDonnell Douglas engineer in August 1997.

http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=7961

If Boeing will in fact produce two different fuselages for the 737 successor the gap the 757 has left is very well covered:
It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
 
User avatar
Acey559
Posts: 1099
Joined: Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:30 pm

RE: Boeing Is It Producing Higher End Jets

Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:39 am

I personally don't think that the 757 will be fully replaceable, at least not in the near future. The capabilities of that airplane aren't fully matched by any airplane in production today. It is a very special airplane, and I love flying on them. I actually get to fly on one in a few weeks when I go to BOS to visit my friend at Harvard. I'm pretty excited about that!  Wink
 
cba
Posts: 4228
Joined: Sat Jul 15, 2000 2:02 pm

RE: Boeing Is It Producing Higher End Jets

Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:52 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 4):
Except the 737-900ER and A321 which can handily fly the vast, vast majority of routes the 757 is used.

Not unnecessarily true. The A321 and 737-900ER have ranges of about 3000nm to the 757's 3900nm, and the 757 has great runway performance: notice how they are a very popular aircraft for US airlines operating out of SNA.

Yes, the 321 and 739 are capable of replacing the 757 on short to medium segments and transcon US flights, however most airlines are now following CO's lead and sending them transatlantic to secondary markets, as well as long haul to South America. These journeys are beyond the capability of the 321 and 739.
 
Mir
Posts: 19357
Joined: Mon Jan 05, 2004 3:55 am

RE: Boeing Is It Producing Higher End Jets

Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:49 am

Quoting JetJeanes (Thread starter):
Maybe somene can help me on this but the only low end pax Jet they seem to produce now is the 737.
Just looking it appears all their aircraft will have higher capacity jets.. They produce nothing between 737 and 767 anymore
and nothing smaller than a 737

Except that they have a lot of versions of the 737, and that's really all they need for the market. One could argue that Airbus only has the 320 as the low-capacity plane in its fleet, versus the 330, 340 and 380 in the high-capacity end, but that wouldn't really be true. Nor would it matter, since the various versions of both the 320 and 737 provide pretty much everything the industry needs.

-Mir
7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
 
EI321
Posts: 4829
Joined: Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:43 pm

RE: Boeing Is It Producing Higher End Jets

Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:58 am

Quoting MPDPilot (Reply 15):
Quoting EI321 (Reply 11):
Theres a reason the 757 is no longer in production. There is not sufficient demand for the areas that the aircraft ourperforms the 737 and A321 to offset the higher overall cost of operating the 757. Most airlines no longer need its excess performance.

Then why are they such a hot commodity.

If there was sufficient demand for new 757s Boeing would not have ceased production.
 
coerj
Posts: 216
Joined: Sun Dec 04, 2005 12:49 pm

RE: Boeing Is It Producing Higher End Jets

Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:24 am

Overall I believe that Boeing covers all markets fairly well. The 737-900ER can cover all domestic markets that the 752 currently serves which would make a 757 sized jet somewhat redundant. The problem that I see is that the 737-900ER is does not have trans-oceanic range, and recently the 752 has become very popular on transatlantic flights, therefore I believe that Boeing should come up with a 757 or 739 sized jet that is capable of transatlantic flights, similar to the Boeing 752.

Boeing appears to be uninterested in serving a regional market of 100 passengers or below, and with the shared monopoly between Bombardier and Embraer I do not think it is necessary for them to create a regional jet.

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos