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AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:37 am

American Eagle will exit BOS-EWR and ORD-IAD this spring. Several other routes will also be getting a haircut and there are quite a few temporary suspensions from DFW and LAX...


ORD-IAD -3RT Exit Market (-1 eff 3/2, -2 eff 6/1)
ORD-LIT -1RT for 5 daily (eff 4/10)

LGA-CMH -1RT for 5 daily (eff 4/1)

BOS-EWR -5RT Exit Market (eff 4/1)
BOS-CMH -1RT for 1 daily (eff 5/1)


Temporary Suspensions:
DFW-DSM -1RT for 5 daily (eff 4/10-4/30)
DFW-JAN -1RT for 8 daily (eff 4/10-4/30)
DFW-CRP -1RT for 6 daily (eff 4/10-4/30)
DFW-CVG -1RT for 5 daily (eff 4/1-4/30)
DFW-HOU -1RT for 8 daily (eff 4/10-4/30)

LAX-SAN -3RT for 14 daily (eff 4/1-UFN)
LAX-SBA -2RT for 6 daily (eff 4/1-6/13)
LAX-MRY -1RT for 3 daily (eff 4/1-6/13)

Im wondering what will become of the A/C on the eliminated flights from BOS and ORD as well as the open LGA slot.

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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:41 am

Probably to go out and match XJET ,route for route, systerm wide! LOL!
 
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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:42 am

On the East Coast, I wouldn't doubt that AA is making this move to redeploy assets in its strategy to grow JFK and augment its position at LGA. EWR is a lost cause with the dominance of Continental, and there is more money to be made at JFK and LGA with AA's more established positions.
 
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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:25 am

Sad to see this, but ORD-IAD and BOS-EWR seem to be covered well enough (if not too much) by other airlines. Does AA mainline fly ORD-IAD, or is it DCA/BWI only for service to ORD? Hopefully this means that AA/AE will be adding new destinations and/or added frequency at JFK. Either way, I hope there are some additions at JFK so their gorgeous new terminal can be put to good use (and I can use it, too!  Wink).
 
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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:25 am

Dropping BOS-CMH to one daily flight was ill thought out, and this route is all but dead.

Newark was the next logical cut from Boston, after Philadelphia, Montreal and Baltimore lost American Eagle service over the past two years.
 
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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:42 am

I'm surprised to see AA continuing to trim BOS, not that there is any shortage of options between BOS and NYC...
 
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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:57 am

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 5):
I'm surprised to see AA continuing to trim BOS, not that there is any shortage of options between BOS and NYC...

While i'm not surprised to see BOS-EWR cut, i am surprised AA hasn't added BOS service lately. They just renovated the gate areas. Seems like a waste to me.
 
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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:09 am

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 6):
While i'm not surprised to see BOS-EWR cut, i am surprised AA hasn't added BOS service lately. They just renovated the gate areas. Seems like a waste to me.

It's been awhile since any domestic legacy carrier added service at Logan. I think Northwest, with their additional Amsterdam flight to begin this summer, is the last one I can recall. BOS has been in hibernation for a fair bit, if not outright reductions in terms of flights or capacity.

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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:12 am

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 3):
Sad to see this, but ORD-IAD and BOS-EWR seem to be covered well enough (if not too much) by other airlines. Does AA mainline fly ORD-IAD, or is it DCA/BWI only for service to ORD?

AA mainline only flies ORD-DCA while Eagle flies ORD-BWI. Doesn't look like there will be any upgrades on these routes post drop of ORD-IAD.
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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:01 am

Quoting AJMIA (Thread starter):
BOS-CMH -1RT for 1 daily (eff 5/1)

Does anyone else serve the market? Surely business passengers will now not use AA on the route and the yields will fall?

Quoting AJMIA (Thread starter):
ORD-IAD -3RT Exit Market (-1 eff 3/2, -2 eff 6/1)

Bet UA will be happy

Could this be the start of AA reducing their EWR ops with routes like RDU being under threat? Or is this just one individual route under performing?
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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:02 am

Quoting AJMIA (Thread starter):
as well as the open LGA slot.

AA is freeing up six LGA slots. One from PIT, two from CMH, one from ATL, and two from RDU. These become four daily flights to Cincinnati and two daily flights to Louisville.
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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:27 am

AFAIK, EWR-RDU is a reasonably strong performer for AA/AE. It is a moneymaker for CO as well.
 
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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:28 am

Moving to the west coast for a minute:

Quoting AJMIA (Thread starter):
LAX-SAN -3RT for 14 daily (eff 4/1-UFN)
LAX-SBA -2RT for 6 daily (eff 4/1-6/13)
LAX-MRY -1RT for 3 daily (eff 4/1-6/13)

Any speculation as to the temporary suspension of these Eagle flights? Spring is not necessarily off peak for MRY and SBA. I can understand a permanent reduction in LAX-SAN as a flight every half hour is frequent enough.
 
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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:38 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 12):
Any speculation as to the temporary suspension of these Eagle flights? Spring is not necessarily off peak for MRY and SBA. I can understand a permanent reduction in LAX-SAN as a flight every half hour is frequent enough.

Possibly due to the 25 Saabs going back to the leasors, then waiting for the replacement 30-35 Saabs that will come online by 2008. http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airli...r-national-lcc/american_eagle.html
 
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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:44 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 9):
Does anyone else serve the market? Surely business passengers will now not use AA on the route and the yields will fall?

DL and B6 both fly CMH-BOS which is probably why AA is exiting. There are too many carriers on this route.
 
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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:44 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 9):
Bet UA will be happy

True, but it's really not much different than the fact UA doesn't fly JFK-ORD n/s (two AA hubs). It's tough to compete against two airline hubs at the same time!
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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:20 am

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 15):
JFK-ORD n/s (two AA hubs).

JFK isn't an AA hub and AA didn't even fly the route until about a year ago.
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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:28 am

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 7):
It's been awhile since any domestic legacy carrier added service at Logan

DL has slowly been adding struff at BOS. B6 and FL have been leading the charge lately, which is why I think we'll continue to see more reductions on the non 'trunk' legacy routes i.e. CMH, RDU, etc.
 
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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:13 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
AA is freeing up six LGA slots. One from PIT, two from CMH, one from ATL, and two from RDU. These become four daily flights to Cincinnati and two daily flights to Louisville.

So the LGA slots are all spoken for. What about the equipment?

Do these cuts cover adds already made or do you think we will see some more new service annoucements.

I am really hoping to see some new gateways to HPN. RDU or maybe MIA.

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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:17 am

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 18):
I am really hoping to see some new gateways to HPN. RDU or maybe MIA.

I understand that RDU-HPN is a good high yield route.. and there are at least 4-8 NetJet/Private jets flights into RDU most weekdays.. I don't understand why that one hasn't been started..

From what I can remember, it did well for JI when they offered it.. I guess it's something I will have to suggest to XE.. LOL.. that and PVD..
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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:44 am

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 5):
I'm surprised to see AA continuing to trim BOS, not that there is any shortage of options between BOS and NYC...

definately. however, the do have a lot of flights to JFK and (i think) LGA. I thought BOS was a lucrative market for them...

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 6):
While i'm not surprised to see BOS-EWR cut, i am surprised AA hasn't added BOS service lately. They just renovated the gate areas. Seems like a waste to me.

Renovated gates where? AA is about due to expand at BOS...

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 7):
It's been awhile since any domestic legacy carrier added service at Logan. I think Northwest, with their additional Amsterdam flight to begin this summer, is the last one I can recall. BOS has been in hibernation for a fair bit, if not outright reductions in terms of flights or capacity.

Well, Iberia added service as did Finnair and FlyGlobespan...but no US legacy folks.. i wish they would.
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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:03 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
JFK isn't an AA hub and AA didn't even fly the route until about a year ago.

Okay, AA may not consider it a hub, but to me, when you connect traffic from more than a few domestic markets to other domestic markets and multiple continents through one airport, I'd at the very least call it a gateway.

Anyway, the point being in the JFK-ORD market AA has feed at both ends (meaning both conxn traffic and FF loyalty). The same is true in the IAD-ORD market for UA. UA has already massively reduced operations in the NYC area, in effect conceding market share to AA, CO, B6 etc. to focus on other things. Over the years AA has also scaled back at IAD. They can stimulate demand with their (non-hub!) significant operation at DCA and hub at ORD.

Anyway, you are very knowledgeable and I'm sure you know all this anyway. I apologize for calling JFK an AA hub (even though they have their own terminal there)...  Smile
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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:11 am

Quoting HighFlyer9790 (Reply 20):
Renovated gates where? AA is about due to expand at BOS...

The added plasma screen gate info on the mainline gates, they connected the Eagle to the mainline gates(via a very nice hallway, great for spotting), and closed the old Eagle security checkpoint. They also plan to redo the concession areas.
 
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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:14 am

Well, so much for "AA Announces NYC Area Growth Initiative!"

"We want to make it crystal clear that American Airlines and American Eagle are the airlines of choice for the greater New York area," said David Cush, American's Senior Vice President of Global Sales.

Yeah, except for the 50% of the NYC area west of the Hudson River!

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/3271643/
 
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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:32 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 23):
Well, so much for "AA Announces NYC Area Growth Initiative!"

"We want to make it crystal clear that American Airlines and American Eagle are the airlines of choice for the greater New York area," said David Cush, American's Senior Vice President of Global Sales.

Yeah, except for the 50% of the NYC area west of the Hudson River!

Yes. And it is dissapointing that AA is most likely going to let EWR get the shaft to LGA and JFK out of this deal. I hope RDU isn't the next to go.
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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:45 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 9):
Bet UA will be happy

I'm sure WN will be happy as well. Could AA's ORD-IAD be the first casualty of WN flying MDW-IAD? Fares have been really low lately (approx. $118 r/t, compared with approx. $200 before WN's entry) and those ERJ's can't compete with WN's 737's on CASM.
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Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:09 pm

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 22):
The added plasma screen gate info on the mainline gates, they connected the Eagle to the mainline gates(via a very nice hallway, great for spotting), and closed the old Eagle security checkpoint. They also plan to redo the concession areas.

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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:46 pm

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 18):
I am really hoping to see some new gateways to HPN. RDU or maybe MIA.

It would be nice to see a daily MIA-HPN 738 flight. Maybe get in on the market before AirTran ineveitably does.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 19):
From what I can remember, it did well for JI when they offered it.. I guess it's something I will have to suggest to XE.. LOL.. that and PVD..

American Eagle flew RDU-HPN for a very short time, around 2001/2002. It was a poor performer. There could be two dozen business jets a day flying between RDU and Westchester. The thing is, even if American Eagle or someone else were to come in, the majority of those people flying on those business jets are still going to keep flying on those business jets.

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 21):
I apologize for calling JFK an AA hub (even though they have their own terminal there)... Smile

No need to apologize. As you pointed out, in many ways it functions as a hub for American Airlines. But in the end, it comes down to what AA calls it, and they don't call it a hub, despite their major presence at JFK.

[Edited 2007-02-27 05:47:33]
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Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:03 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 27):

No need to apologize. As you pointed out, in many ways it functions as a hub for American Airlines. But in the end, it comes down to what AA calls it, and they don't call it a hub, despite their major presence at JFK.

So what are American's "hubs"? STL, DFW, MIA and ORD? What about LAX, LGA, RDU, BOS, etc? Would you consider all these merely focus cities (if that)?
 
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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:13 pm

It's interesting to see that AE bothered to save that last one daily on BOS-CMH. I used to fly this route almost every weekend from June 2004-November 2004 and at that time it was still 3-4 daily but flights were constantly no more than half full. When jetblue initiated the route, I thought for sure AE would have axed it immediately. Does anyone know when this route started specifically or if it came from TWA or what? I apologize for not being so up on the long term historical aspect of this.
 
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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:29 pm

Quoting FreequentFlier (Reply 28):
So what are American's "hubs"? STL, DFW, MIA and ORD? What about LAX, LGA, RDU, BOS, etc? Would you consider all these merely focus cities (if that)?

I would call RDU a focus city while i'd call LGA, LAX, BOS a Secondary HUB.
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Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:44 pm

Quoting FreequentFlier (Reply 28):
So what are American's "hubs"? STL, DFW, MIA and ORD? What about LAX, LGA, RDU, BOS, etc? Would you consider all these merely focus cities (if that)?

Dallas, Miami, O'Hare, St. Louis, and San Juan are hubs; Austin, Boston, Los Angeles, JFK, LaGuardia, Los Angeles, and Raleigh are focus cities, as AA has frequently called them in annual reports and the like.

In the past few years they have strongly de-emphazied focus cities outside of Los Angeles and New York City, and they also ended their Ft. Lauderdale focus city operation. However, this year they have been building back up at Austin and Raleigh.

[Edited 2007-02-27 07:45:21]
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Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:05 am

I don't see why AA/AE is ending ORD-IAD. The business and residential growth in metro Washington is northern Virginia. I would have thought that things would have improved for AA/AE, as well as UA, after Indy Air ceased operations.

Now the question is what AA/AE is going to do with those 3 arrival slots at ORD?
 
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Wed Feb 28, 2007 1:30 am

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 32):
I don't see why AA/AE is ending ORD-IAD. The business and residential growth in metro Washington is northern Virginia. I would have thought that things would have improved for AA/AE, as well as UA, after Indy Air ceased operations.

Indy Air did cease operations, but another LCC entered the market: WN flying MDW-IAD. Fares from IAD to Chicago have been really low since WN started flying to MDW. Also, AA uses ERJs, while both UA and WN fly mainline jets, with UA occassionaly putting 767s, 777s, and at times even 747s on ORD-IAD. Hard to compete with that when you only have 3 daily ERJs.
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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Wed Feb 28, 2007 1:58 am

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 32):
Now the question is what AA/AE is going to do with those 3 arrival slots at ORD?

I am not too surprised that the ORD-IAD flights were cut. This is a pretty low fare market for an RJ and I would imagine that most of it is O&D so you can't bump up the fares with connections to more expensive cities. I am wondering if the economics on this route may have been better with a mainline aircraft??

I am however surprised that there was no increase in ORD-DCA service or capacity.

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Wed Feb 28, 2007 2:12 am

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 32):
Now the question is what AA/AE is going to do with those 3 arrival slots at ORD?

My guess is that some of them are being used to support the new SHV-ORD and the 2nd daily PNS-ORD.

I think AA was wise to dump ORD-IAD with RJ's. Given AA's overall shortage of aircraft, they need to use the planes in the most optimal manner. Flying ERJ's on a major route like ORD-IAD up against UA and WN is not an optimal use. I'm betting AA will get better yields on SHV-ORD and PNS-ORD, then ORD-IAD.
 
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Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:11 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 31):
In the past few years they have strongly de-emphazied focus cities outside of Los Angeles and New York City, and they also ended their Ft. Lauderdale focus city operation. However, this year they have been building back up at Austin and Raleigh.

RDU has to fall in the Focus city category, as Hub doesn't quite cut it for an airport that only has 500-2000 people per MONTH connecting to other flights ,for all the airlines at RDU.

That being said, I have always wondered why AA and Eagle don't do more North South connectors post Midway and Independence Air. I know Delta, Airtran, and US Airways are fierce competitors in the East coast market, but AA could add a few flights to certain East Coast cities, and funnel some traffic between the Northeast and Southeast that would otherwise fly others They could probably also help their LGW loads as well out of RDU.

I know the RDU authority is against it, but hubbing at RDU would seem to be in the business interests of AA at this point. I haven't played with the schedules yet, but I will be interested to see if Jacksonville, Louisville, and Kansas City provide more connecting traffic at RDU.
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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:18 am

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 36):
but I will be interested to see if Jacksonville, Louisville, and Kansas City provide more connecting traffic at RDU.

Kansas City does provide connecting opportunites to DFW and ORD, I think.. Jacksonville and Louisville does not.
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Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:22 am

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 36):
I know Delta, Airtran, and US Airways are fierce competitors in the East coast market, but AA could add a few flights to certain East Coast cities, and funnel some traffic between the Northeast and Southeast that would otherwise fly others

The East Coast has plenty of north/south service already. Trying to use RJ's to connect via RDU would be a disaster for AA. RDU is a strong O+D market and that's what AA is going after.
 
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Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:35 am

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 38):
The East Coast has plenty of north/south service already. Trying to use RJ's to connect via RDU would be a disaster for AA. RDU is a strong O+D market and that's what AA is going after.

Agreed. AA has hubbed at RDU before, as well as BNA. They dropped both almost immediately after MIA became available- it was (and still is) extremely high-yielding and lucrative. They'll make more money on MIA O&D (and connections to Latin America/South America) than they'd ever make chasing low-yielding connections through RDU on high-CASM ERJs.
 
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Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:29 am

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 36):
That being said, I have always wondered why AA and Eagle don't do more North South connectors post Midway and Independence Air.

Perhaps because they learned from Midway and Independence Air? Midway failed because they were operating a North-South connecting hub at RDU with a reliance on RJ's for many of their markets. While many airlines were making record profits in 2000, they had an operating margin of -8%.

It's very difficult to be competitive in that region with ATL and CLT (and less so IAD). RDU does have a strong business community, and AA's operations are currently structured to serve many of the most popular markets from RDU.
 
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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:36 am

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 34):
I am however surprised that there was no increase in ORD-DCA service or capacity.

You would need to get slots to operate more flights into DCA.
 
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Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:36 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 40):
Perhaps because they learned from Midway and Independence Air? Midway failed because they were operating a North-South connecting hub at RDU with a reliance on RJ's for many of their markets. While many airlines were making record profits in 2000, they had an operating margin of -8%.

It's very difficult to be competitive in that region with ATL and CLT (and less so IAD). RDU does have a strong business community, and AA's operations are currently structured to serve many of the most popular markets from RDU.

Well, I might agree, in a perfect world with perfect logic, that his makes absolute sense.

However AA is starting up routes in JAX, SFD, and MCI that will be extremely low yield. This runs counter to what you and everyone above has said about high yield strong O&D. If AA is going to protect the focus city with low yield, why not try to steal some traffic from Delta, US Airways, and others along with it?

Independence Failed due to being cost ineffective on RJ to hub. Midway failed due to growing way too fast way to quick with inefficient fokkers.
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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:39 am

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 42):
However AA is starting up routes in JAX, SFD, and MCI that will be extremely low yield. This runs counter to what you and everyone above has said about high yield strong O&D. If AA is going to protect the focus city with low yield, why not try to steal some traffic from Delta, US Airways, and others along with it?

Well, because it is patently obvious that AA is trying to send a message to ExpressJet. The cost of throwing a few RJ's up against a competitor that probably won't stay in the fight for long is relatively small -- and AA has the advantage of a large frequent flyer base in the area. Trying to compete with DL and US (and less so UA) for East Coast connecting traffic is competing from a point of weakness. They'd have higher costs, a relatively uncompetitive product (RJ vs. mainline), and less schedule choices.

The only rationale that I can see is that AA doesn't want XE to build up a presence at RDU over time.
 
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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:55 am

Quoting Danairbus (Reply 41):
Quoting AJMIA (Reply 34):
I am however surprised that there was no increase in ORD-DCA service or capacity.

You would need to get slots to operate more flights into DCA.

True, they need slots to increase service OR they could just bump up the size of the equipment they are using to increase capacity.

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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:25 pm

Do you think AA will start bringing down serivce to IAD from other hubs? STL seems like an option as I believe they only fly RJs into IAD from STL, whereas they have a largely ML service to DCA. DCA generally seems to be the favored airport for Washington area travelers (although that could change once IAD gets rail service).
 
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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:33 pm

Quoting FreequentFlier (Reply 45):
whereas they have a largely ML service to DCA

The only MQ service at DCA is RDU (shuttle), BOS (shuttle), BNA (former hub), and NYC (shuttle).. I wouldn't say its a large service.. just high frequencies to a few destinations..
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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:41 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 46):
The only MQ service at DCA is RDU (shuttle), BOS (shuttle), BNA (former hub), and NYC (shuttle).. I wouldn't say its a large service.. just high frequencies to a few destinations..

He's saying that it is mostly mainline. Service to Nashville is new, and was discontinued for awhile following the closure of the Nashville hub in the mid 90s. The current service serves politicians in DC and Nashville. Probably all pretty good yield and O/D, smart move IMO.
 
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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Wed Feb 28, 2007 1:36 pm

Quoting FreequentFlier (Reply 45):
Do you think AA will start bringing down serivce to IAD from other hubs? STL seems like an option as I believe they only fly RJs into IAD from STL, whereas they have a largely ML service to DCA.

Here's an interesting tidbit: If you look at the schedules for April and May at AA.com, one of the IAD-LAX fts. is upgraded to a 763 from a 738 for about two months. So, I'd say that AA still values the IAD market.
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RE: AA Eagle To Cut BOS-EWR And ORD-IAD

Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:46 am

Quoting BAGoldEx (Reply 29):
It's interesting to see that AE bothered to save that last one daily on BOS-CMH. I used to fly this route almost every weekend from June 2004-November 2004 and at that time it was still 3-4 daily but flights were constantly no more than half full. When jetblue initiated the route, I thought for sure AE would have axed it immediately. Does anyone know when this route started specifically or if it came from TWA or what? I apologize for not being so up on the long term historical aspect of this.

I believe CMH-BOS on American Eagle began in the very late 90s as a likely byproduct of Eagle's new maintenance base in CMH, which has grown to become the airline's largest. The route has fluctuated since its start from anywhere from 2 to 4x daily service on a mix of ERJ equipment. Since jetBlue's entrance in the market, whatever yields AA saw on the route have likely disappeared, and with better-yielding routes available and the shortage of RJs in their fleet, it was best to pull from this route. My guess as to why CMH-BOS wasn't yanked completely is that maybe it's more cost effective to rotate the aircraft out of CMH as it leaves the mx hanger as a revenue flight.

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