stylo777
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El Al Cargo Livery

Wed Feb 28, 2007 2:59 am

I've a question about LY Cargo and their livery. Everybody knows that the livery is all white and only a little El Al Cargo wrinting on it. Aren't the people fancy enough or what is the reason for that? Could this be done because of security reasons and/or to avoid any attacks?


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cy319
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RE: El Al Cargo Livery

Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:03 am

I would imagine it is for security reasons and minimise the risk of being targetted by terrorists.
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na
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RE: El Al Cargo Livery

Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:15 am

Security reasons for sure, though large EL AL titles are hardly camouflage. Doesn´t explain why all planes of El Al Cargo have a different "livery" also.
 
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RE: El Al Cargo Livery

Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:24 am

Quoting NA (Reply 2):
Security reasons for sure, though large EL AL titles are hardly camouflage. Doesn´t explain why all planes of El Al Cargo have a different "livery" also

yes that would be another question I forgot to ask while writing this thread. for example 4X-AXM is flying around the world with Korean Airlines "livery" (the blue without titles) since 2004. Isn't there anybody of KE asking them to change that livery. This is in my eyes something like to fool s.o.
 
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RE: El Al Cargo Livery

Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:24 am

For security reason??

For which security reason? If there were security reasons behind it...then I guess passenger airplanes would be all white...or in other non-LY liveries.... And, as can be seen on the pic posted above, the LY logo has been added on this all-white Jumbo...thus it is not "anonymous" anymore.


LY Cargo is operating flights on Saturdays, even out of TLV in the middle of the Shabbat; as is highlighted by the current controversy, it is better for those planes not to wear the LY livery. And maybe also the cost of painting those planes is playing a role, although frankly LY's livery doesn't require lots of paint...
I bitterly miss the livery that should never have been changed (repetition...)
 
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RE: El Al Cargo Livery

Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:28 am

Quoting TodaReisinger (Reply 4):
And maybe also the cost of painting those planes is playing a role,

I don't think that LY isn't that poor to leave their planes all-white.
 
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RE: El Al Cargo Livery

Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:38 am

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 3):
for example 4X-AXM is flying around the world with Korean Airlines "livery" (the blue without titles) since 2004

This is purely for financial reasons...like the hideous ex-NAA 738 still flying in its former owner livery 5 years after joining LY's fleet...
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Stylo777: yes, LY is in a dire financial situation... The management found the money to order a totally unnecessary (and ugly) "new" logo, but the airline is not able to acquire new and competitive planes, and for now the "new" logo has not been painted on airplanes. There is no other reason than economical ones behind those weird liveries. For the Cargo planes, the Shabbat issue might be playing a role, too.
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philb
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RE: El Al Cargo Livery

Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:47 am

It's simply cost. Over the years El Al have used a variety of "liveries" on its Cargo 747s from the all white with no titles, through the all white with titles to an almost full El Al livery without titles. For some years they had a 747 in Avianca livery
(19735/4X-AXZ) after return from lease.

They have also used the title Cargo Airlines
 
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RE: El Al Cargo Livery

Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:54 am

Quoting TodaReisinger (Reply 6):
Stylo777: yes, LY is in a dire financial situation... The management found the money to order a totally unnecessary (and ugly) "new" logo, but the airline is not able to acquire new and competitive planes, and for now the "new" logo has not been painted on airplanes. There is no other reason than economical ones behind those weird liveries. For the Cargo planes, the Shabbat issue might be playing a role, too.

El Al has a new logo? since when?

I wish they'd never gotten rid of the previous livery, that whitish 1999 livery sucks IMO


Any aircraft still in the older colors?
 
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RE: El Al Cargo Livery

Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:18 am

Yes, 2 a/c are still in the old colour: 2 757s: 4X-EBS and 4X-EBT
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RE: El Al Cargo Livery

Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:48 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 8):
I wish they'd never gotten rid of the previous livery

I must have said exactly this 2000 times since 1999...but I'll say it yet another time: I will forever bitterly miss the beautiful turquoise livery..... And yes, in the midst of a serious financial crisis, and although possessing one of the most successful and elegant corporate logos, the management decided that LY's number one priority was to buy a new one. And thus, an unimaginative graphic designer destroyed the current logo in a shocking way and sold his work to LY as being the expression of a "fresh and dynamic" new identity...(or in the end, given the really poor result, maybe was it was just done internally...?) If you want to have a look visit www.elal.com and enjoy...

Until now, although being already widely used in advertising items and at airports, this new version of the logo has not yet been applied on the airplanes; maybe it will be introduced on the new 777s due to join the fleet next summer. But really it is a shame.

Quoting LY777 (Reply 9):
Yes, 2 a/c are still in the old colour: 2 757s: 4X-EBS and 4X-EBT

And isn't there also still one Jumbo? I saw that 4X-AXF has been recently made all-white  crying 
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but maybe 4X-AXH is still in the old livery...?
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RE: El Al Cargo Livery

Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:14 pm

Quoting TodaReisinger (Reply 4):
For which security reason? If there were security reasons behind it...then I guess passenger airplanes would be all white...or in other non-LY liveries.... And, as can be seen on the pic posted above, the LY logo has been added on this all-white Jumbo...thus it is not "anonymous" anymore.

It is however very muted and also note the lack of the Israeli flag on the tail as in the passenger jets. While the scheduled passenger service is known and published, all-be-it under tight security, LY cargo operates all over the world, in remote locations at times and in countries that have no official or diplomatic ties with Israel, as well as countries that may be hostile to Israel in a political sense. What can I say... Money is stronger than politics. Under those circumstances it is safer and makes much more sense to keep the aircraft as indistinguishable as possible as opposed to coming in with a 300 ft flying flag that is recognizable from miles away.
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RE: El Al Cargo Livery

Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:31 am

Quoting WJ (Reply 11):
it is safer and makes much more sense to keep the aircraft as indistinguishable as possible as opposed to coming in with a 300 ft flying flag that is recognizable from miles away.

But anyone who wanted to know and perhaps do them physical or political harm would have radios and know the call signs and some how the 4X- reg is a bit of a giveaway.