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WN Emergency Landing At IND

Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:14 am

I watched it do a tower fly by and then land safely.
Glad to see that they made it in safely.





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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:18 am

Yawn! Glad everything was OK but this sounded to be a pretty routine event, although I'm sure the pax on-board felt otherwise.

Now, if this had happened to JetBlue.............!  Wink
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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:23 am

What happened? Any other Info?
 
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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:25 am

Quoting Richierich (Reply 1):
Glad everything was OK but this sounded to be a pretty routine event, although I'm sure the pax on-board felt otherwise.

These kinds of things are indeed routine for the crews since they see these and other emergency scenarios in the simulator. Obviously, they're not quite so routine for the passengers, and another aircraft took them IND-PVD non-stop.
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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:27 am

Glad the plane landed safely, though. Sounds like a pretty routine event. Everything was done by the book, and because of that, everyone is still safe.

[Edited 2007-02-27 23:30:41]
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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:30 am

I'm kind of curious here .... in the event of a landing like this ... does the crew still say ... "We'd like to be the first to welcome you to Indianapolis...."

or.....

?????
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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:49 am

"The local time in Indianapolis is...."

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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:52 am

As someone with only a basic knowledge of aviation, why would the pilot choose to divert to IND for a blown tire? It doesn't seem like something that would present a danger to the plane in flight, just during landing, so why wouldn't he choose to continue to the destination and then deal with the problem there? Is is just a matter of if even the slightest thing goes wrong it's better to land at the closest airport, or are there other factors he would consider when deciding to divert?
 
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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:01 am

Quoting Yflyer (Reply 7):
As someone with only a basic knowledge of aviation, why would the pilot choose to divert to IND for a blown tire? It doesn't seem like something that would present a danger to the plane in flight, just during landing, so why wouldn't he choose to continue to the destination and then deal with the problem there?

The clearances between a normal (unburst) tire when it's retracted inside the gear well are pretty tight, and the gear well is full of stuff (like hydraulic lines) that flapping tread could damage, Additionally, since there no doors to enclose the main gear on a 737 and the tires are partially exposed, any rupture in the sidewall of the most outboard tire could create additional drag (and thus increase fuel burn) that might preclude getting to the original destination. If you sense the tire blowout before the gear is retracted, you don't retract the gear, and with it extended, the drag/fuel penalty is even worse.

Quoting Yflyer (Reply 7):
Is is just a matter of if even the slightest thing goes wrong it's better to land at the closest airport, or are there other factors he would consider when deciding to divert?

In addition to the above (which would preclude continuing) you also have to decide where to go. MDW's runways are a tad too short for most abnormal configurations (like 3 tires/brakes doing the work of 4), so IND's longer runways were more appropriate to the situation, and what the pilot and his dispatcher discussed and agreed upon...
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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:29 am

 
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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:56 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 8):
The clearances between a normal (unburst) tire when it's retracted inside the gear well are pretty tight, and the gear well is full of stuff (like hydraulic lines) that flapping tread could damage

Thanks for the explanation. I actually meant to ask if having a blown tire might prevent them from retracting the gear, but I got distracted and forgot to ask that part.
 
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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:05 am

Quoting Yflyer (Reply 10):
Thanks for the explanation. I actually meant to ask if having a blown tire might prevent them from retracting the gear, but I got distracted and forgot to ask that part.

That's a possibility that I also forgot to mention. The last thing you want to have happen is to retract a deformed tire into the gear well and not have the gear able to come down at the destination....
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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:09 am

IND = Long Runways no obstruction MDW= Cicero Ave... MDW is a postage stamp 1 mile by 1 mile....

these type of things are thought out beforehand... not last min decisions
 
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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:25 am

Bottom line, no bad news. Safety first. It was a blown tire that ended the Concorde program.
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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:27 pm

Tires are Tires, fortunately none of the airliner tires are Firestones. This has happened to me as a pilot more than once, 172, 210, Citation II. Anyone remember several years ago when a WN 737 lost a wheel during takeoff from ONT? The next day I was flying out of SAN on business on WN and standing on the jetway waiting to get on board there was a crew change on the airplane, I quietly told the FO to be sure to take a lug wrench with him on the walk around.

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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:54 pm

Quoting Socalfive (Reply 14):
Tires are Tires, fortunately none of the airliner tires are Firestones.

HAHA! That makes me laugh!

On another note, glad to see that it was all routine.

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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:17 pm

Glad to see everything is ok.

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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:14 pm

Quoting Socalfive (Reply 14):
I quietly told the FO to be sure to take a lug wrench with him on the walk around.

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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:47 pm

Quoting Socalfive (Reply 14):
Anyone remember several years ago when a WN 737 lost a wheel during takeoff from ONT?

Not sure if that's another unrelated story but I seem to remember an incident involving WN at ONT where one of the main gears got stuck either while being retracted during T/O or while trying to deploy for landing. In any case the crew circled the ONT area for a while doing porpoise manuevers in an attempt to shake free the stuck landing gear. Not sure if they actually tried a touch and go as well to try to shake the gear loose but in the end, they made a landing without that landing gear ever coming down. I remember seeing the pilot holding off the plane on the other two gears for as long as possible before gently putting down the side where the gear failed to come down. It was really a job well done. I'll try to find some more info. If I recall correctly, there was a local news reporter on that flight. I'll see what I can find.

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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:09 pm

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 8):
Additionally, since there no doors to enclose the main gear on a 737 and the tires are partially exposed, any rupture in the sidewall of the most outboard tire could create additional drag (and thus increase fuel burn) that might preclude getting to the original destination

Heard of the Frangible Fitting at the MWW.
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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:31 pm

Quoting Socalfive (Reply 14):
fortunately none of the airliner tires are Firestones

I have seen Bridgestones on our 727s from time to time. Can't tell a difference as they all land hard in the tri-jet.

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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:16 pm

Quoting ONTFlyer (Reply 18):
Not sure if that's another unrelated story but I seem to remember an incident involving WN at ONT where one of the main gears got stuck either while being retracted during T/O or while trying to deploy for landing. In any case the crew circled the ONT area for a while doing porpoise manuevers in an attempt to shake free the stuck landing gear. Not sure if they actually tried a touch and go as well to try to shake the gear loose but in the end, they made a landing without that landing gear ever coming down. I remember seeing the pilot holding off the plane on the other two gears for as long as possible before gently putting down the side where the gear failed to come down. It was really a job well done. I'll try to find some more info. If I recall correctly, there was a local news reporter on that flight. I'll see what I can find.

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Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 19):
Heard of the Frangible Fitting at the MWW

Yes I have , but how would that help the sidewall of the tire being compromised?
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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:57 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 21):
Yes I have , but how would that help the sidewall of the tire being compromised

It will prevent the MLG retracting into the MWW avoiding further damage.
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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:51 am

I don't understand why the media report such events such as this. I mean, if a coach had a burst tyre and had to pull onto the hard shoulder, it wouldn't be plastered all over the news unless it resulted in fatalities. So why do airlines get treated differently?
 
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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:54 am

Quoting Richm (Reply 23):
So why do airlines get treated differently?

1. Aircraft are more exotic than cars/buses...

2. February is a "sweeps" ratings period...
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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:49 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 21):
SWA1767 LAS-BUR N331SW April 30, 1996

That's the one. Thanks for jogging the memory loose OPNLguy. Interesting enough, I've flown N331SW 5 times in the past year.

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 21):
I know the dispatcher who worked it...

So what's that like from a dispatcher's point of view? Just a normal event or are the senses a little more heightened in a situation like that?

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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:10 am

Quoting ONTFlyer (Reply 25):
So what's that like from a dispatcher's point of view? Just a normal event or are the senses a little more heightened in a situation like that?

Alot of coordination in a very short, compressed timeframe...  Wink
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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:15 am

Quoting Richm (Reply 23):
I don't understand why the media report such events such as this. I mean, if a coach had a burst tyre and had to pull onto the hard shoulder, it wouldn't be plastered all over the news unless it resulted in fatalities. So why do airlines get treated differently?

I agree! They had 3 helicopters over the runway and a camera crew in the terminal for this. The media loves the airport!
They ought to just put up a studio in the airport with as much as they are here. If someone sneezes at the airport, they want to know about it.

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 3):
and another aircraft took them IND-PVD non-stop

Did they cancel an IND outbound or ferry another in?
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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:20 am

Wn,s maintainance on their tires have slowly been declineing over the years ever since they went with a Chinese version for the 737,s Their tire inspectors have become very lax when checking tires for proper air and tread wear. Something must be done before another blow out happens again
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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:27 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 24):
2. February is a "sweeps" ratings period...

sweeps isn't about spot news.

Quoting Richm (Reply 23):
I don't understand why the media report such events such as this. I mean, if a coach had a burst tyre and had to pull onto the hard shoulder, it wouldn't be plastered all over the news unless it resulted in fatalities. So why do airlines get treated differently?

because it's an airplane.

there's nothing plastering about it. a plane lands and people are off in the corner of an airport exiting via a jetbridge in plane sight of everyone. in this day and age ... the public wants to know what's up with that.
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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:30 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 26):
Alot of coordination in a very short, compressed timeframe...

Gotcha. Well keep up the good work to you and all your colleagues around the world!
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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:25 am

Quoting Jeremy (Reply 27):

Did they cancel an IND outbound or ferry another in?

I think they cancelled a couple of other flights and swapped aircraft around.

Quoting STLGph (Reply 29):

sweeps isn't about spot news.

Ah, OK, sure... (TERROR IN THE SKIES! FILM at 10!)  Wink
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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:32 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 31):
Ah, OK, sure... (TERROR IN THE SKIES! FILM at 10!)

thank you for advertising my JetBlue expose

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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:36 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 32):
thank you for advertising my JetBlue expose

The prosecution rests...  Wink
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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:03 am

Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 28):
Wn,s maintainance on their tires have slowly been declineing over the years ever since they went with a Chinese version for the 737,s Their tire inspectors have become very lax when checking tires for proper air and tread wear. Something must be done before another blow out happens again

Care to elaborate on this/cite sources? What are you saying, that WN uses Chinese made tires/wheel assemblies? If they were really that inferior, I'd be suprised that WN, one of the most safety-conscious carriers in the USA, would use them...
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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:12 am

Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 28):
Wn,s maintainance on their tires have slowly been declineing over the years ever since they went with a Chinese version for the 737,s Their tire inspectors have become very lax when checking tires for proper air and tread wear. Something must be done before another blow out happens again

Can you substantiate any of that? Assuming you're not a SWA employee, how exactly could you even know what is/isn't the case?
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RE: WN Emergency Landing At IND

Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:33 am

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 34):
Care to elaborate on this/cite sources? What are you saying, that WN uses Chinese made tires/wheel assemblies? If they were really that inferior, I'd be suprised that WN, one of the most safety-conscious carriers in the USA, would use them...

 point  yes please do elaborate! as KELPkid asked.

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 35):
Can you substantiate any of that? Assuming you're not a SWA employee, how exactly could you even know what is/isn't the case?

Who is the person making these unsubstantiated remarks? Unless you are the SWA employee making these comments you must not want your job or you are a person who won't make a correct inspection! So........more data requested please STL gph......and nothing other than the correct information so the SWA folks on here who know are able to verify what you accuse.
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