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BMI New Route: Leeds/Bradford-Lille

Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:25 pm

Just seen on Pprune, and on flybmi website, that BMI Regional will introduce LBA-Lille from 23rd April

A bit of a weird route, BMI getting back to normal now?  Wink
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RE: BMI New Route: Leeds/Bradford-Lille

Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:33 pm

BMI Regional? Haven't BMI announced yet that Baby, Regional and Mainline are merging soon to form 'British Midland'?

Hmm.
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RE: BMI New Route: Leeds/Bradford-Lille

Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:34 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Thread starter):
BMI Regional will introduce LBA-Lille from 23rd April

Oddball route ... oddball airline
 
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RE: BMI New Route: Leeds/Bradford-Lille

Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:44 pm

Strange... isn't that just a tiny hop?? The Eurostar will take you from London to Lille in what, 1h45 or so, I know this is LBA, but...

Quoting LH121GLA (Reply 2):
oddball airline

Oooohh yes.... BD and SMB have already had quite a tough week here on a.net!..

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RE: BMI New Route: Leeds/Bradford-Lille

Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:49 pm

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 1):
BMI Regional? Haven't BMI announced yet that Baby, Regional and Mainline are merging soon to form 'British Midland'?

I dont think so....not yelt at least  Wink And dont forget B/Med!

Tomorrow there will be a big aqnnouncement...apparently. bmibaby is to join Diamond Club, and I think that this has fuelled the integration theories. But it would make sense....

15-20 ERJ 135/145
20-25 ERJ 190/195
12-15 A319
12-15 A320
2-3 A330
plus the BMED fleet.. of 12 A320/A321

The merged WW and bmiRegional may do all the Embraer flying and the merged BD / KJ would have the airbusses. Baby flying might be taken over by a mix of bmi A319s and bmiRegional E-Jets. I think it would make far more senes than keeping 4 AOC/Crews and associated costs for a fleet of ~80 aircraft.

Personally I hope that when they rebrand that the bmi British Midland returns. With the "British Midland" in orange between the b and i. I also hope that the swoopy blue livery remains, as it looks fantastic IMHO. Its so fidderent and destinctive, apart from EI and SU, its one of teh few truly destinctive liveries among the sea of euro-white aircraft.
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RE: BMI New Route: Leeds/Bradford-Lille

Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:50 pm

And lets not forget that Bmi Regional may well be getting back into turboprops........


Is there a business connection there between Leeds/Bradford and Lille we don't know about perhaps......
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RE: BMI New Route: Leeds/Bradford-Lille

Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:53 pm

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 4):
And dont forget B/Med!

Of course, lest I forget them guys. I wonder what config BD will put the KJ planes in?

A merged BMI would be nice though and a dead baby would be even nicer, I hate that brand.
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RE: BMI New Route: Leeds/Bradford-Lille

Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:10 pm

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 1):
BMI Regional? Haven't BMI announced yet that Baby, Regional and Mainline are merging soon to form 'British Midland'?

They are meant to be announcing something on the 2nd April. It hasn't been confirmed what it is though, but I too are hoping that Baby, Regional and Mainline will merge, as bmi as a whole, is becoming too confusing with all the different fares and classes available.

I think if they did merge, they have a chance at becoming a decent airline again, in order to compete with BA etc etc..

Here is a summary of what I would like to see happening:

All aircraft painted in the current livery, which at the moment, is the only good thing going for bmi! (Well, the ones which are painted in the the current scheme anyway! Lol)

One-Class layout on all ERJ's, 737's, and A319/A320's, to operate within UK and Europe.

However, there will be an Economy Plus available on these aircraft. Seat/Pitch and Class is exactly the same as Standard seat, but these passengers are eligable for:

- lounge access,
- flexible ticket,
- frequent flyer programme,
- dedicated check-in,
- seat selection,
- bigger baggage allowance
- 1 complimentary drink, snack & newspaper.

A321's and A330's will have the same Economy and Business Class seat, which will be much comfier than the short-haul aircraft. The A321's will operate BMeds current routes, and any other non-european medium-haul routes which they wish to fly to in the future. (Middle East, North Africa etc etc)

The A330's, which will be used for long-haul routes, will also include Premium Economy.

Eventually the 737's will be phased out and replaced by newer A319's.#

Anyone have any ideas?
 
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RE: BMI New Route: Leeds/Bradford-Lille

Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:33 pm

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 3):
Strange... isn't that just a tiny hop?? The Eurostar will take you from London to Lille in what, 1h45 or so, I know this is LBA, but...

This is LBA is exactly the point....the train to London takes AT LEAST 3hrs and then a tube conenction to St. Pancreas. Driving to LHR might take about the same. Eurostar only works for those living in or near London itself. Taking into consideration that the fares to London can be almost £100 rtn then add the Eurostar fare....I know which I'd choose.

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 6):

Of course, lest I forget them guys. I wonder what config BD will put the KJ planes in?

They would either put all of them in the DME config, or reconfigure the DME aricraft to teh current BMed standard. BTW what is "Club World" like on KJ? Im guessing its not the CW flat bed?

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 7):
One-Class layout on all ERJ's, 737's, and A319/A320's, to operate within UK and Europe.

Pretty close to the mark, I imagine. The new A319s have a single class layout(ie no variable geometry seats, bulkheads, etc), but a movable curtain. They are all upolstered in Leather and are exceptionally comfortable. I would hazard a guess that all future deliveries will be done in this style, and the feet slowly converted to this.

On the servcie side, I think that a tea/coffee may be offered even in Y, with a substabtial snack in J. Modular has not worked for bmi, I dont really see them continuing it. I think bmibaby will live on as a booking engine for the "tiny bmi fares" but will slowly dissappear.

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 7):
Eventually the 737's will be phased out and replaced by newer A319's.#

Anyone have any ideas?

I think bmi have a fleet tender out for ~20x ~100 seaters? That suggests E-jets? I cant imagine them wanting the A318 or the 737-600. CRJ's also seem unlikely, with a large fleet fo ERJ's already. Then again, bmi has done some crazy things in the past.

There are some WW routes/rotations which could handle A319/320, but the E-Jets would more than suffice for the vast majorty of the routes.
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RE: BMI New Route: Leeds/Bradford-Lille

Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:36 pm

Quoting Cornish (Reply 5):

Is there a business connection there between Leeds/Bradford and Lille we don't know about perhaps......



Very strange route, I'm not aware of any particular business connections between northern France and Yorkshire, except the largely defunct textile industry and coal mining......that's about it.

I would have expected LBA to have larger demand to HAM, CGN, HAJ etc....
 
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RE: BMI New Route: Leeds/Bradford-Lille

Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:38 pm

Okay, hypothetically, if BMIRegional, Baby and Mainline merged to become one, what would happen in markets such as Belfast, where mainline fly to LHR from BHD, whereas WW operate to the regions (and beyond) from BFS??

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RE: BMI New Route: Leeds/Bradford-Lille

Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:40 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Thread starter):
BMI Regional will introduce LBA-Lille from 23rd April

They say on their website that Leeds and Lille have important business links. I didn't know that!

I'd be surprised if Lille works - you would think Paris would have worked better, but they couldn't even operate that profitably.
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RE: BMI New Route: Leeds/Bradford-Lille

Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:45 pm

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 8):
the train to London takes AT LEAST 3hrs and then a tube conenction to St. Pancreas

Leeds to London Kings Cross is about 2 hours 20 minutes. St Pancras is a very short walk from Kings Cross. At the moment, however, Eurostar still departs from Waterloo, which is a long tube connection (carrying lots of luggage across London on the tube is a right pain).

I think LBA to LIL could work actually, but only until Eurostar is moved to St Pancras.

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 10):
Okay, hypothetically, if BMIRegional, Baby and Mainline merged to become one, what would happen in markets such as Belfast, where mainline fly to LHR from BHD, whereas WW operate to the regions (and beyond) from BFS??

Maybe WW could move to BHD?
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RE: BMI New Route: Leeds/Bradford-Lille

Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:52 pm

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 12):
Maybe WW could move to BHD?

I think bmi have their own ground crews at BHD? It is synnergies like these which could be generated if bmi were to merge all its brands and operations into one.

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 12):
Leeds to London Kings Cross is about 2 hours 20 minutes. St Pancras is a very short walk from Kings Cross.

Sorry! I was thinking of Leeds to LHR T1! Sorry dude!

Still strikes me as being easier to fly than drive/train?

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 11):
I'd be surprised if Lille works - you would think Paris would have worked better, but they couldn't even operate that profitably.

LBA was dropped becasue mainline pulled the LHR-CDG route. WW still maintains a CDG-EMA link. Perhaps with a merged WW / BMI we could see the return of LBA-CDG, who knows?

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RE: BMI New Route: Leeds/Bradford-Lille

Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:54 pm

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 12):
Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 10):
Okay, hypothetically, if BMIRegional, Baby and Mainline merged to become one, what would happen in markets such as Belfast, where mainline fly to LHR from BHD, whereas WW operate to the regions (and beyond) from BFS??

Maybe WW could move to BHD?

Perhaps, though BHD isn't big. Terminal wise I think it would struggle. I wonder how long the agreement for BD to operate from BHD was for?

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RE: BMI New Route: Leeds/Bradford-Lille

Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:03 pm

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 13):
Still strikes me as being easier to fly than drive/train?

If you are travelling from Leeds city centre to central London it is easier and cheaper to go by train. If you are, say, going from Otley to Slough, it is probably easier and cheaper to go by plane.

What they really need is LBA to LGW as travelling between Yorkshire and Sussex/Surrey/Kent is an absolute nightmare on the train - it can take six hours!

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 13):
WW still maintains a CDG-EMA link. Perhaps with a merged WW / BMI we could see the return of LBA-CDG, who knows?

Maybe. Or maybe LS will increase their LBA to CDG link to twice daily.
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RE: BMI New Route: Leeds/Bradford-Lille

Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:26 pm

Well you could argue that instead of train to London and Eurostar to Lille you could fly on an existing LBA-BRU flight and then get a much shorter distance train down to Lille  Smile

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 11):
They say on their website that Leeds and Lille have important business links. I didn't know that!

Yes that's what i was wondering - is there a major company with facilities in both locations that are providing the corporate feed ?
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RE: BMI New Route: Leeds/Bradford-Lille

Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:29 pm

Ahhh Sir Mikey Bishop is back on to form then!!!

In all seriousness - slot filler?


What aircraft are they "finding" for this? ERJ145?

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RE: BMI New Route: Leeds/Bradford-Lille

Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:52 pm

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 17):
In all seriousness - slot filler?

Slot filler for what? To hold slots at LBA? I wasn't aware that they were so scarce.
 
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RE: BMI New Route: Leeds/Bradford-Lille

Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:53 pm

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 17):
In all seriousness - slot filler?

Nope. From LHR it might have been suggested as a slot filler - although they have enough Star alliance partners to lease out the slot for far more than a route to Lille would make. No point having a pure slot filler from LBA as there are no slot constraints. If they were going to go for a slot filler they would be better to operate an additional flight to say BRU or somewhere similarly close. There's obviously some sort of business reason for it....
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RE: BMI New Route: Leeds/Bradford-Lille

Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:54 pm

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 17):
What aircraft are they "finding" for this? ERJ145?

The 145 or the 135.

The thrice daily CDG route is going to be dropped to make space for an additional morning service to EDI, a new service to CPH and a new service to LIL.
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RE: BMI New Route: Leeds/Bradford-Lille

Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:12 am

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 20):
Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 17):
What aircraft are they "finding" for this? ERJ145?

The 145 or the 135.

Neither the ''Beech 58P Pressurized Baron'' and I am still concerned about overcapacity!


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RE: BMI New Route: Leeds/Bradford-Lille

Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:23 am

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 7):
A321's and A330's will have the same Economy and Business Class seat, which will be much comfier than the short-haul aircraft. The A321's will operate BMeds current routes, and any other non-european medium-haul routes which they wish to fly to in the future. (Middle East, North Africa etc etc)

The A330's, which will be used for long-haul routes, will also include Premium Economy.

Nice ideas, but since the A332s are soon to be fitted with flat beds I think they may take up a bit too much space on the A321s! The A332s already have a premium economy which will soon be the current business seats just with less space between them. It will be the best premium economy product out of the UK.
 
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RE: BMI New Route: Leeds/Bradford-Lille

Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:38 am

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 22):
Nice ideas, but since the A332s are soon to be fitted with flat beds I think they may take up a bit too much space on the A321s!

I did think that actually. It is a shame that a same Business Class seat cannot be used on all Non-European flights. IMHO, a standard configuration would look so much neater, but obviously this will not be the case.
 
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RE: BMI New Route: Leeds/Bradford-Lille

Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:06 am

Quoting Cornish (Reply 5):
Is there a business connection there between Leeds/Bradford and Lille we don't know about perhaps......

The two cities share a "Partner-city" type relationship...and have for some time, since 1968.
It was developed from a university exchange program that goes back at least 30 years before that.
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RE: BMI New Route: Leeds/Bradford-Lille

Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:25 am

I can understand why this route is being opened actually. I spent a weekend in Lille last year, and the whole town is quite pretty and full of very different cultures, it reminded me of Amsterdam, but slightly more upmarket, and it will appeal to younger passengers massively.

I don't know much about the Lille aviation situation, are there many UK connections.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 24):
It was developed from a university exchange program that goes back at least 30 years before that.

I didn't know that but it also supports my theory, that young people are attracted to the city. In fact in my eyes it has all the attractons of Amsterdam but i would bet on it being a lot cheaper.

1 thing to consider for BD though, although this would take a bit longer, is that there is a regular ferry service betwee nearby Hull and Rotterdam, which is in supremee comfort Big grin, well it was nice enough and made it more of a holiday for me, and then a two hour or so drive to Lille, which really is easier, if a bit longer, than the train.

During my visit there was a throng of british tourists, many more alternative visitors, something which Leeds has in the bucketfull, so it might be attractive.

Either way, there must be something to attract BD to the route, suppose only time will tell if it will work.


I dont see the ntegration of all BDs airlines working. Maybe the Regional and mainline, but i think WW has given itself a good brand, although I agree is neets a more common fleet with BD's, BD are seen by many as a more mainstream airline, and i think that theory could ruin the good little thing that WW has. Also BD could do with offering a better full service service regionally, especially into London, as I know a few business customers that would love full service into LHR, something which BA has never failed to offer, especiallly ABZ-LHR. I think the new LBA-Lille would suit WWs business concept more than the regional idea, even if currently their service doesn't differ greatly.
 
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RE: BMI New Route: Leeds/Bradford-Lille

Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:33 am

I am confident that a small, but untapped market exists between Northern England and Lille. I have needed to travel from Manchester to Northern France twice before and so have many in our company and we cannot be the only ones. It does seem perverse to fly MAN-CDG and then hire a car to drive two-thirds of the way back to Calais! Whether LBA is the correct airport to attempt such a flight from is yet to be seen. I know I'm biased but MAN is much better placed geographically than LBA as many more people live around one hour away or less.
 
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RE: BMI New Route: Leeds/Bradford-Lille

Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:48 am

Quoting BA787 (Reply 25):
I didn't know that but it also supports my theory, that young people are attracted to the city

I would have to agree....the last time I was in Lille was May 04, and the things that struck me was how young the average person on the street was. I wish I had more time to spend there, but I was only there to connect to the train to Calais and then the ferry to Dover.
Lille in my opinion, embraces modern concepts more willingly than other cities in France.
Again, its just a guess, but their Train station is amazing....Lille Europa. It reminded me of an airport....and with all the open space around, they could, if they wanted to, probably put in a runway like LCY! (just having a laugh, not serious!)
The other station I arrived at from Antwerp, forgot the name of it, was full of teens and young adults...crazy. It is probably close enough to Paris for weekend jaunts, but far enough away to be affordable to younger people making their way through university.
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