therock401
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Second MSP Snowstorm

Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:13 am

I know there's a thread for last weekend's snowstorm, but there's another storm blasting it's way across Minnesota right now.

KMSP 012153Z 04019G25KT 1/4SM R30L/1800V3500FT SN SCT003 BKN008 OVC012 M02/M03 A2918

http://www.wunderground.com/Aviation/index.html?query=KMSP

Current visibility less than a block here at the U. It's snowing hard enough where the U of M called classes on account of weather for only the third time in 16 years.

NWA has issued their weather waiver for movements into and out of MSP and environs.

http://www.nwa.com/features/weather.shtml
 
airlineecon
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RE: Second MSP Snowstorm

Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:48 am

The snow got pretty heavy for a while this afternoon, but I noticed there were still take off and landings. NW website says they are cancelling the narita flight and all the flights to AMS.
 
graphic
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RE: Second MSP Snowstorm

Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:50 am

Stinkin gophers can't handle the snow  Wink

We're getting hit by the same stuff up here in NoDak, I've had to weather my flights for the last week and a half now...and school has yet to be cancelled.
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flydreamliner
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RE: Second MSP Snowstorm

Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:12 am

I'm kind of disappointed that NW canceled the AMS and NRT flights... usually their MSP operation is all but impervious to bad weather, but I guess in light of B6's recent embarrassment, airlines are erring on the side of safety.
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AsstChiefMark
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RE: Second MSP Snowstorm

Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:25 am

I remember when MSP was just as it was depicted in the movie "Airport." MSP never closed and airlines rarely cancelled flights. Paul Hogan is no Mel Bakersfeld. That's for damned sure.

Mark  

[Edited 2007-03-02 00:44:27]
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RE: Second MSP Snowstorm

Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:33 am

Hasn't anyone watched and learned from the wisdom of the beautiful people on Oscar night? Don't you know that we are in a period of devastating global warming?! Enjoy the snow while it lasts, because I guarantee that within the next 10 years, this country will be one giant desert. No snow, just failed crops, dust, drought, and killer hurricanes. Even the elected president from 2000 says so.  Wink

Things are really bad in Alabama too tonight.
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AsstChiefMark
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RE: Second MSP Snowstorm

Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:02 am

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 5):
Don't you know that we are in a period of devastating global warming?!

We used to get storms like this ten times a season in the 1940's to the the 1970's. Now we're lucky to get two or three a season.

Mark
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RE: Second MSP Snowstorm

Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:10 am

ALERT: Snow reported Visibility 2.50 <3 SM
MSP 020200Z 36015G21KT 2 1/2SM -SN FEW011 SCT026 OVC044 M04/M05
A2915 RMK AO2 VIS 2V3 P0000=




Good stuff! I'm flying to MSP with my g/f tommorow. She has never seen snow, so this is perfect!

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KevinSmith
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RE: Second MSP Snowstorm

Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:19 am

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 5):
Hasn't anyone watched and learned from the wisdom of the beautiful people on Oscar night? Don't you know that we are in a period of devastating global warming?!



Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 6):

We used to get storms like this ten times a season in the 1940's to the the 1970's. Now we're lucky to get two or three a season.

Granted I am still pup of 22 years however I can remember in the late 80s and early 90s getting more frequent and powerful snowstorms. 91 92 were the last year that we really had snow that most people would associate with MN. Just recently though the snow volumes have started to increase. My mother in law agrees with you Mark that while their may more snow than in recent years it not like it used to be.
I believe weather operates on a giant cycle and that we are just now coming out of a "dry" spell. That is not to say that I don't believe that we can/are harming the environment. I learned in school (college) that evidence is growing in the scientific world that supports this very idea of weather cycling. Some scientist once set on the idea of global warming are changing their opinions.

To keep this Av related, MSP will have no problem clearing the runways. I grew up in Rochester and RST would get awards for having clean runways during times like these. If they can keep it clean so can MSP. My main point being, it's MN, and while snow like this hasn't happened in a while, they know how to handle it.
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RE: Second MSP Snowstorm

Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:26 am

Quoting AS739X (Reply 7):
She has never seen snow, so this is perfect!

I walked out into the backyard and the snow is about 24 inches deep.

The plowed snow will be piled so high that she might not see parts of the terminal once on the ground. Some snow piles are 25 feet high.

Mark
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RE: Second MSP Snowstorm

Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:32 am

Quoting AS739X (Reply 7):
She has never seen snow, so this is perfect!

Where is she from?
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AsstChiefMark
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RE: Second MSP Snowstorm

Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:34 am

Take her snow tubing at Buck Hill.

http://www.buckhill.com/winter/snowtubing.shtml

http://www.buckhill.com/winter/images/tube1.jpg
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mspguy
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RE: Second MSP Snowstorm

Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:43 am

has MSP shutdown today at all?
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as739x
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RE: Second MSP Snowstorm

Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:57 am

Vietnam, been living in Houston and LA since she as been to the US.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 11):

Thanks, I may just have to do that!

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af773atmsp
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RE: Second MSP Snowstorm

Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:59 am

MSP still isn't closed. Airplanes are flying over my house. School is cancelled for me tomorrow and possibly my sister's school will be closed.
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KevinSmith
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RE: Second MSP Snowstorm

Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:04 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 11):
Take her snow tubing at Buck Hill.

 Sad I miss home.
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RE: Second MSP Snowstorm

Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:22 pm

Quoting MSPGUY (Reply 12):
has MSP shutdown today at all?

No. Crews have been done their usual routine of closing one runway at a time so that at least one runway is open at all times. There haven't even been any Ground Stops or Ground Delay Programs.
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AsstChiefMark
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RE: Second MSP Snowstorm

Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:25 pm

Quoting MSPGUY (Reply 12):
has MSP shutdown today at all?

2 runways are shut down. I don't know which ones.

Mark
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pilottim747
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RE: Second MSP Snowstorm

Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:01 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 17):
2 runways are shut down. I don't know which ones.

They haven't even attempted to plow Runway 17/35 or Runway 4/22 because it would just divert resources away from the two primary runways. MSP was landing Runway 12L/R until late afternoon when they switched to Runway 30L/R. As far as I know, there has been at least one of the primary runways open during the whole day.
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XPjets
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RE: Second MSP Snowstorm

Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:36 pm

RST's been hammered as well. No awards for clean runways here guys - 02/20 is closed with a foot of snow on it and braking action on 13/31 is merely "fair". All flights to MSP are either delays or xlds right now.

Only reason I'm still around is I'm waiting for Mx to send a mech down to fix the stupid DC-9 sitting at gate 2 (ship 9978 for those who care - only wish I had a camera around)
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