Rheinbote
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Boeing 737RS Suppliers Hiring!

Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:57 am

Only traces of job ads left in google cache, but it seems like 737RS job vacancies have been out as early as Oct 2006
http://209.85.129.104/search?q=cache...ml+737RS+career&hl=de&ct=clnk&cd=2

"Programme Manager 737RS
UK-South West
Company: Omega Selection SVS
Salary: 40,000.00 - 50,000.00 GBP per year
Our client is a leader in the aerospace industry and seeks the services of a Programme manager for the 737 RS Electrical Power Program and other new business opportunities. Key Responsibilities o Working closely with the Business Development Director for Electrical Power, this role is responsible for the coordination and leadership of the 737RS overall bid and pursuit activity. Following successful contract award, the role would transition to... role. Omega Resource Group Ltd is acting as an
Contract: Full Time, Permanent"

http://209.85.129.104/search?q=cache...37RS+gloucester&hl=de&ct=clnk&cd=4

Looks like the position is with a supplier located in Gloucestershire, UK - whoever that is.

Another vacancy for an electrical designer is here
"737 RS Electrical Designer 6 month Contract Cheltenham £25ph
Design work for new electrical power management system"

http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache...26+%22737+RS%22&hl=de&ct=clnk&cd=7
 
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RE: Boeing 737RS Suppliers Hiring!

Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:16 am

Here's more evidence from the Smiths website.
Look at the third entry from top down. What may "737RS LGS" be?
https://apps.smiths-aerospace.com/collaborate/browse.asp

Honeywell seems to be on the lookout as well
i>"Director, Engineering - Electric Power Systems - Honeywell
for EP evolution Engineering Pursuit Leader for 737RS... trade studies with Boeing Final approval for engineering NRE estimates Job Description: Lead a team of......
Phoenix AZ - 11/18/2006"

http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache...%3D2700+737rs&hl=de&ct=clnk&cd=107

Likewise Hamilton Sundstrand
"Deputy Chief Engineer ...support the execution of the Boeing Replacement Studies development program. Reporting to the Boeing Replacement Studies Chief Engineer"
http://www.hamiltonsundstrandcareers...detail.asp?JobID=850217&user_id=" target=_blank>http://www.hamiltonsundstrandcareers...b_detail.asp?JobID=850217&user_id=

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RE: Boeing 737RS Suppliers Hiring!

Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:28 am

Heh, interesting. I have a friend who works in Engineering support at Honeywell, and they are working on some project that is being called Y1....

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RE: Boeing 737RS Suppliers Hiring!

Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:28 am

Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 1):
What may "737RS LGS" be?

I would imagine Landing Gear Systems.
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RE: Boeing 737RS Suppliers Hiring!

Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:53 am

I knew it! 797 is further along than most thought, sweet.  Smile
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RE: Boeing 737RS Suppliers Hiring!

Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:43 pm

Nobody hires like that for 2015 EIS, do they?  Wink

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RE: Boeing 737RS Suppliers Hiring!

Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:52 pm

Unless Boeing plans on having a 7 year development cycle.

The pieces are lining up for 2012. Amazing.
 
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RE: Boeing 737RS Suppliers Hiring!

Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:15 pm

Thanks to "Power 8", there shouldn't be any shortage of available talent...  duck 
 
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RE: Boeing 737RS Suppliers Hiring!

Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:36 pm

Quoting LimaNiner (Reply 7):
Thanks to "Power 8", there shouldn't be any shortage of available talent...

If it's the same talent that made the A380 what it is, I think Boeing will pass.  Wink
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RE: Boeing 737RS Suppliers Hiring!

Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:36 pm

One of those openings goes back to last August and has been filled. Does Boeing know how to keep a secret or what?! Smile
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RE: Boeing 737RS Suppliers Hiring!

Sat Mar 03, 2007 5:22 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
Nobody hires like that for 2015 EIS, do they?

1st Half of 2012. Write it down.

Ya but folks screamed at me up and down in the other thread about how I was wrong when I said that...  sarcastic 
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RE: Boeing 737RS Suppliers Hiring!

Sat Mar 03, 2007 5:23 pm

As I reported back before Christmas, Boeing suppliers have been lining up their resources for this project for some time, and some suppliers are well along in their product development efforts. I am not surprised to see one supplier listed above with an advertisement that names the project... this same supplier has a confidentiality program that even forbids admitting the existence of a 737 program !

I am told by other sources who have worked on all of Boeing's projects since 1990 that they have been approached for work on this project. What's interesting is that they supply tooling for interior parts, hardly something that needs work five years out.

The A380, like the 747, was a "bet the company" project. Too bad that the dice didn't roll quite the right way, and that left Airbus in too much chaos to focus on the 350 and now the 320 replacement.
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RE: Boeing 737RS Suppliers Hiring!

Sat Mar 03, 2007 5:47 pm

Well I would be surprised Boeing wound not be in the initial phases of shaping a replacement for the 737 as of yet.

Boeing really has no choice but to do so, since the much more efficient engines which are core to the new generation narrow bodies are arriving early next decade and the 737 is -contrary to the A320- reportedly unsuitable to be fitted with them due to the much larger fan diameter.

Airbus thus has the luxury they can and are most probably going to do a quick fix re-engining program with al least one of those new engines the moment they are certified, which will then put them in the position to offer en entire family of very efficient narrow bodies without any production limitations usually associated with a new product right away and so Boeing has no choice but to have their platform fully ready when the new engines arrive if they want to compete with at least some of those.

In the mean time Airbus can look at what Boeing comes up with and launch their NSR accordingly, knowing it will definitely pay off for them to launch it a few years later, when the bulk of the A320s sold in the first years of this decade are up for replacement.
 
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RE: Boeing 737RS Suppliers Hiring!

Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:19 pm

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 12):
In the mean time Airbus can look at what Boeing comes up with and launch their NSR accordingly, knowing it will definitely pay off for them to launch it a few years later, when the bulk of the A320s sold in the first years of this decade are up for replacement

Given their development budget for the 350, waiting a few years is their only option. As you point out, a re-engined 320/321 is not as lame a response as it might seem. Others here have observed that the weight benefits of all composite construction are not as dramatic in a narrow body, and the 320 family are fine aircraft.

The development resources at Airbus are going to be devoted to the 350 for the next six years or so. After that they will be able to apply lessons learned and perhaps do a new 320 quickly for EIS in 2017. Whether that will open a window to leap-frog the 797 might be pivotal for Airbus at that time. The other possibility is that they rely on Russian design resources and Chinese manufacturing to bring to market a global response. I'll leave it to you to decide if that's a realistic scenario.
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RE: Boeing 737RS Suppliers Hiring!

Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:01 am

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 12):
Airbus thus has the luxury they can and are most probably going to do a quick fix re-engining program with al least one of those new engines the moment they are certified, which will then put them in the position to offer en entire family of very efficient narrow bodies without any production limitations usually associated with a new product right away and so Boeing has no choice but to have their platform fully ready when the new engines arrive if they want to compete with at least some of those.

Of course, considering the...success...Airbus had in offering an A330 with new engines versus the 787 went, I am not sure just slapping new GTFs on an A320-200 is going to suddenly make it control the market when the 737RS will offer a more comprehensive and holistic performance and efficiency jump...
 
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RE: Boeing 737RS Suppliers Hiring!

Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:10 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
1st Half of 2012. Write it down.

My guess is first flight and EIS in 2013. And I see Embraer written across a part of the program.
 
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RE: Boeing 737RS Suppliers Hiring!

Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:15 am

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 10):
Ya but folks screamed at me up and down in the other thread about how I was wrong when I said that...

I know, they dismissed me since before you joined for the same thing.

Now, it's never 100%, but all the pieces fit: timeframe, resources, development cycle, sales projections, key airline needs (AA, WN, CO, DL, etc.)
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RE: Boeing 737RS Suppliers Hiring!

Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:27 am

More so as all the pieces you mention seem to fit for a 777 replacement a.k.a. Y3 with EIS around 2016...17. The 737RS has to be out of the woods in time before that.
 
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RE: Boeing 737RS Suppliers Hiring!

Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:32 am

Some hiring does not necessarily mean an early 737 RS. People are hired for all sorts of speculative projects. If a given project doesn't pan out, the people are simply moved. Since this is probably going to be an even more "outsourced" airplane than the 787, Boeing has to get its suppliers involved very early. This indicates neither a major investment or any sort of commitment.

Some engine maker (Pratt, I believe) once said they would be ready for 2012 entry into service is necessary - that may be a major indicator since both Boeing and Airbus say that they are mainly waiting on the engine people.
 
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RE: Boeing 737RS Suppliers Hiring!

Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:46 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 14):
Of course, considering the...success...Airbus had in offering an A330 with new engines versus the 787 went, I am not sure just slapping new GTFs on an A320-200 is going to suddenly make it control the market when the 737RS will offer a more comprehensive and holistic performance and efficiency jump...

Also, recent studies by Boeing and Airbus have shown a composite 737 successor WITHOUT the new engines could only bring efficiency gains in the order of 4% to the 737NG/A320, so the bulk of the gains is going to have to come from the engines. Put them on an A320 and you have a very good and extremely low cost competitor: Inferior to any new built for sure, but competitive most likely.

Given the fact the replacement cycle of most of the A320s is coming about 5 to 7 years AFTER that of the 737SG, Airbus would by wise to wait a bit till Boeing has clearly moved (Boeing will sell the first few hundred of 737RS mainly to pure Boeing customers like AA, WN, CO, DL in the first few years anyway), to start the work on their NSR so I think it is a given the A320 will be re-engined at the end of its life to bridge the time from A320 to NSR in a very competitive way for Airbus.

I could even see them come off the Chinese Assembly line for a long time after the NSR is flying, whereas the 2 lines in Europe are switching over to the NSR.
 
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RE: Boeing 737RS Suppliers Hiring!

Sun Mar 04, 2007 2:09 am

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 19):
I could even see them come off the Chinese Assembly line for a long time after the NSR is flying, whereas the 2 lines in Europe are switching over to the NSR.
I can't see China being very content with that idea! I suspect they would push to be an integral part of the program in exchange for "sales support" of the resulting aircraft. China has been using its economic might as of late as an excellent foreign policy tool (not any different from any other nation out there I might add). "Let one of the other lines continue to produce the original, give us true partner status with production on the new plane and we'll take 1,000."

I would not be surprised if Boeing would also look for something like this.

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RE: Boeing 737RS Suppliers Hiring!

Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:19 am

Quoting Rheinbote (Thread starter):
Looks like the position is with a supplier located in Gloucestershire, UK - whoever that is.

Sounds like Dowty...they manufacture landing gear and props in Glos.
 
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RE: Boeing 737RS Suppliers Hiring!

Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:54 am

Unless Boeing plans on having a 7 year development cycle.

That would be the "other" manufacturer.
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