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Largest Airlines In South America?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:51 am

What are some of the largest airlines in South America by traffic, departures, etc? I know VG used to be quite large, but with their meltdown, they're a shadow of their former selves. I am pretty unfamiliar with the industry in that region of the world, and just curious as to what other South American carriers may eventually partner up in OneWorld, *Alliance, and SkyTeam. Are the "legacy" carriers of that region going strong? I know LAN is doing fairly well, but isn't specific to one country.
 
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RE: Largest Airlines In South America?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:59 am

I guess TAM could be one of the largest ones at the moment. Then also Synergy group, owning for example Avianca, SAM and Ocean Air becomes bigger and bigger.

If we consider Mexico as South America, they do for sure have of the major operators with Aero Mexico and Mexicana.

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RE: Largest Airlines In South America?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 2:01 am

What about LAN?
Aren't they among the big guys?
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RE: Largest Airlines In South America?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 2:02 am

Largest in order, and ONLY South America:

LAN Airlines (LAN Chile, LAN Peru, LAN Argentina, LAN Ecuador)
TAM (TAM and TAM Mercorsur) <-> GOL Linhas Aereas Inteligentes
Aerolineas Argentinas/Austral
Avianca

Exceptions could be TACA and Copa Airlines - but since Central America is not South, they are not included.

And Mexico is North America  Wink

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RE: Largest Airlines In South America?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 2:04 am

TAM, LAN, and GOL are probably the three biggest. TAM with ~100 aircraft, not sure how many LAN has, and GOL with 66 and adding B738s every month.

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RE: Largest Airlines In South America?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 2:05 am

Why not TACA Peru?
Yes they're part of Grupo TACA but LIM is one of their hubs.

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RE: Largest Airlines In South America?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:17 am

Here is a list of major airlines on South America:

Colombia: Avianca
Ecuador: Lan Ecuador
Peru: Lan Peru
Venezuela: Aeropostal???
Brasil: Tam
Chile: Lan Chile
Argentina: Aerolineas Argentinas
Paraguay: Pluna
Bolivia: Lloyd Aereo Boliviano
 
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RE: Largest Airlines In South America?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:22 am

Quoting Aces727 (Reply 6):
Paraguay: Pluna

Pluna = Uruguay.
 
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RE: Largest Airlines In South America?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:42 am

Quoting Aces727 (Reply 6):
Paraguay: Pluna

Pluna is uruguayan. The largest airline in Paraguay is TAM Mercosur (PZ).

Quoting Aces727 (Reply 6):
Ecuador: Lan Ecuador

LAN Ecuador? No way. What about TAME?

Quoting Aces727 (Reply 6):
Peru: Lan Peru

Is LAN Peru larger than TACA Peru?
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RE: Largest Airlines In South America?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:43 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 3):
And Mexico is North America

Economically and politically, Mexico is part of NAFTA. Geographically, it is certainly NOT part of N America!

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RE: Largest Airlines In South America?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:16 am

Quoting Aces727 (Reply 6):
Paraguay: Pluna
Bolivia: Lloyd Aereo Boliviano

As corrected already, Pluna = Uruguay

Paraguay, my guess would be PZ which is the Paraguayan registration of JJ (Tam), correct me if I´m mistaken - and second would be Arpa.

Bolivia, for sure with the downfall of LB, 5L is the largest carrier right now.
 
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RE: Largest Airlines In South America?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:19 am

Easiest thing to do is proceed to MIA official web site and check out the S.A airlines that serve the gateway
to Latin America.

For awhile, ACES was doing a bang up business out of MIA into the major Columbia airports. I was surprised they went out of business. They had several gates in the A concourse back in the mid 90s.

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RE: Largest Airlines In South America?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:34 am

Quoting Buckieboy (Reply 9):
Economically and politically, Mexico is part of NAFTA. Geographically, it is certainly NOT part of N America!

Mexico certainly IS part of North America. Where else would a country that shares a border with the USA be? I defy you to find a definition of North America that excludes Mexico. It's never been considered part of Central America.
 
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RE: Largest Airlines In South America?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:35 am

Quoting Buckieboy (Reply 9):
Economically and politically, Mexico is part of NAFTA. Geographically, it is certainly NOT part of N America!

Here we go again... Geography is taught in a quite different way in different parts of the world. Over here (and I'm almost certain it's the standard across Latin America), the division is as follows:

North America: Canada, the U.S., Mexico
Central America: Belize, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Panama
South America: all the countries south of the Panama - Colombia border  Silly

Hence Mexico is part of North America...

(Apologies for the thread hijacking, but I wanted to clear things up... If you're willing to discuss it further, it would make for a good non-av topic... Now back to our regularly scheduled programming  Wink )

Quoting AF086 (Reply 8):
Is LAN Peru larger than TACA Peru?

Well, TACA Perú has a decent international network, but LAN has much more domestic flights (in addition to its international network).
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RE: Largest Airlines In South America?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:23 am

Quoting Buckieboy (Reply 9):
Economically and politically, Mexico is part of NAFTA. Geographically, it is certainly NOT part of N America!

BB

I think you need to check on your geography. There are only seven continents and North America Continent starts in Panama and finishes in Greenland, South America goes from Colombia to Argentina/Chile.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent

Back to the subject, I have been researching Passenger data but haven't been able to find reliable passenger numbers. I believe the largest in order are TAM, GOL, LAN, Aerolineas Argentinas and Avianca.
 
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RE: Largest Airlines In South America?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 11:55 am

Hey guys thanks for your corrections!
 
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RE: Largest Airlines In South America?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 2:50 pm

Based on fleet number:

- TAM Group: 101 aircrafts
- LAN Group: 84 aircfrafts
- Avianca Group: 67 aircfrafts
- Aerolineas Argentinas / Austral Group: 65 aircfrafts
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RE: Largest Airlines In South America?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:09 pm

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 16):
Based on fleet number:

- TAM Group: 101 aircrafts
- LAN Group: 84 aircfrafts
- Avianca Group: 67 aircfrafts
- Aerolineas Argentinas / Austral Group: 65 aircfrafts

-Gol: 66 aircraft
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RE: Largest Airlines In South America?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:54 pm

1- TAM 99 (some F100 has been returned)
2- LAN (all) 84
3- SYNERGY GROUP 67 (+1 763 next week)
4- GOL 66
5- AEROLINEAS/AUSTRAL 65

* Gol will be ranked 3rd very soon as per their plans to increase the fleet to 101 planes.

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 13):
North America: Canada, the U.S., Mexico
Central America: Belize, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Panama
South America: all the countries south of the Panama - Colombia border

We learn the same in Brazil !

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RE: Largest Airlines In South America?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 4:34 pm

Quoting Aces727 (Reply 6):
Here is a list of major airlines on South America:

Colombia: Avianca
Ecuador: Lan Ecuador
Peru: Lan Peru
Venezuela: Aeropostal???
Brasil: Tam
Chile: Lan Chile
Argentina: Aerolineas Argentinas
Paraguay: Pluna
Bolivia: Lloyd Aereo Boliviano

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RE: Largest Airlines In South America?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 4:50 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 18):
We learn the same in Brazil!

Same here!! Nice numbers Felipe!! If possible, could you do the break down of SYNERGY GROUP by airline and number of aircraft in fleet???
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RE: Largest Airlines In South America?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 5:03 pm

Quoting PU752 (Reply 19):
We learn the same in Brazil !

Felipe

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RE: Largest Airlines In South America?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 11:06 pm

Quoting AF086 (Reply 17):
-Gol: 66 aircraft

Absolutely, I forgot GOL...
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RE: Largest Airlines In South America?

Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:53 pm

[quote=Bae146mex,reply=14]I think you need to check on your geography. There are only seven continents and North America Continent starts in Panama and finishes in Greenland, South America goes from Colombia to Argentina/Chile.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent

In Latin America and I believe some countries in Europe, I believe Spain, Portugal, France and Italy... you learn that North America, Central America and South America as 3 different regions from the sole "American Continent".

We also learn that Australia, Papua New Ginea, New Zeanlad and the smaller pacific Islands form all together Oceania, that is count as an continent.

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RE: Largest Airlines In South America?

Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:11 pm

Quoting AF086 (Reply 8):
Is LAN Peru larger than TACA Peru?

Yes, and they operate a lot more international services (with larger aircraft) than TACA Peru does, too. For instance, there is no TACA Peru flight between LIM and MIA.

Quoting Buckieboy (Reply 9):
Economically and politically, Mexico is part of NAFTA. Geographically, it is certainly NOT part of N America!



Quoting Bae146mex (Reply 14):
I think you need to check on your geography. There are only seven continents and North America Continent starts in Panama and finishes in Greenland, South America goes from Colombia to Argentina/Chile.

It doesn't matter whether or not you use the eight-, seven-, six-, or five-continent model. Mexico will always be in the same continent as the United States and Canada.

Quoting AF086 (Reply 8):
LAN Ecuador? No way. What about TAME?

I would have to say either TAME or Icaro. IMHO, Lan Ecuador is a joke. They don't even have local traffic rights on their GYE-UIO flights, which are the only domestic flights they operate.
 
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RE: Largest Airlines In South America?

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:42 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 18):
1- TAM 99 (some F100 has been returned)
2- LAN (all) 84
3- SYNERGY GROUP 67 (+1 763 next week)
4- GOL 66
5- AEROLINEAS/AUSTRAL 65

* Gol will be ranked 3rd very soon as per their plans to increase the fleet to 101 planes.

Won't that make GOL the biggest, fleet-wise? (capacity and # of pax not in the account, of course)
Not sure how are the expansion plans for TAM and LAN, though. I believe TAM will go way beyond 100 this year.

I heard rumours TAM have already capitalized on the idling market by increasing CDG frequency, plus introducing GIG-somewhere in europe direct connections, probably CDG too :-/, and looking at Malpensa (MXP).

BTW, (sorry for off-topic), any news about new connections to Brazil from outside? Emirates are for sure, any others?
 
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RE: Largest Airlines In South America?

Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:50 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 3):
LAN Airlines (LAN Chile, LAN Peru, LAN Argentina, LAN Ecuador)
TAM (TAM and TAM Mercorsur) <-> GOL Linhas Aereas Inteligentes
Aerolineas Argentinas/Austral
Avianca

Exceptions could be TACA and Copa Airlines

By traffic, no one beats the Brazilians, but after them, AR and AV come to play. They more passengers than the LAN group b/c of their massive domestic networks, osmething LAN only has in Peru and Chile, where the traffic is not great, with stiff competition in Peru.

Copa is surprisingly, in terms of traffic, even smaller than it´s Colombian subsidiary, AeroRepublica. TACA has more traffic b/c of their huge amount of flights, but still doesn´t even come close to AV or AR.

For me the biggest are:

By fleet:

TAM
GOL
LAN
Avianca
Aerolíneas Argentinas

By traffic:

TAM
GOL
Aerolíneas Argentinas
Avianca
LAN
 
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RE: Largest Airlines In South America?

Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:01 pm

Quoting ForgotMyNick (Reply 25):
Won't that make GOL the biggest, fleet-wise? (capacity and # of pax not in the account, of course)
Not sure how are the expansion plans for TAM and LAN, though. I believe TAM will go way beyond 100 this year.

I heard rumours TAM have already capitalized on the idling market by increasing CDG frequency, plus introducing GIG-somewhere in europe direct connections, probably CDG too :-/, and looking at Malpensa (MXP).

TAM plans to have 109 aircrafts by the end of 2007 and 132 by the end of 2010. They started GIG-CDG-GIG mid January as a daily flight (in addition to the GRU-CDG-GRU flights, which are back at 2x daily since mid February). GRU-MXP-GRU will start at the end of this month.
 
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RE: Largest Airlines In South America?

Fri Mar 09, 2007 3:10 am

Quoting ForgotMyNick (Reply 25):
BTW, (sorry for off-topic), any news about new connections to Brazil from outside? Emirates are for sure, any others?

LOS will be the next destination served from Brazil (Ocean Air).

Concerning to airlines, some rumors like Virgin from LHR (to GIG) and Qatar Airways from DOH.

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RE: Largest Airlines In South America?

Fri Mar 09, 2007 3:13 am

Quoting Aces727 (Reply 6):
Ecuador: Lan Ecuador

In Ecuador it´s Tame , and I presume Icaro is also before Lan .


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