Curious
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Best Candidates For Cargo Conversion?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 2:33 am

Interested to know what are the aircraft ending their era as pax are mostl likely to end up as cargo conversions. I imagine many 744 would but what about the 762 parked around or other a/c? thanks
 
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RE: Best Candidates For Cargo Conversion?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 2:57 am

Most of the early B767 that were suitable for conversion, have already been bought up and converted.
The early models that AA and DL are retiring seem to have too many costs associated with bringing them
up to current maintenance standards to get a suitable return on the conversion costs.
Many B744 will be converted over the next 10 years as the early versions are replaced by B777, B787 and
Airbus products. Ideally the remaining MD-11 passenger fleets will become freighters when they are through
as pax aircraft. The MD-11 seems to be the ideal freighter conversion model.
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RE: Best Candidates For Cargo Conversion?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:06 am



What about CRJs? They're quickly becoming cheap and plentiful....


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RE: Best Candidates For Cargo Conversion?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:16 am

Quoting Curious (Thread starter):
I imagine many 744 would but what about the 762 parked around or other a/c? thanks

The first generation A330/340's that are about to turned loose when the 787's and A350's(if it ever gets built). I also envision the A380 being dumped on the market after 5 years of use, by some carriers. I think UPS and FedEx both see this, which is why I think they cancelled the orders recently. Should even half of the current orders go forth, half of those will be up for sale within 5 years, and FedEx/UPS will be there to pick them up for a song. The A380 is the CV880/990 of the present day.
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RE: Best Candidates For Cargo Conversion?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:18 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 2):

CRJ? interesting I guess they could play good niche, I guess its how cheap is cheap. Interested to know what the conversion costs for various ac
 
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RE: Best Candidates For Cargo Conversion?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:22 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 2):
What about CRJs? They're quickly becoming cheap and plentiful....

I'd like to fit one with skis and use it as an ice fishing shack.

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RE: Best Candidates For Cargo Conversion?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:25 am




Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 5):
I'd like to fit one with skis and use it as an ice fishing shack.

I'm sure it would somehow find a way to make you feel sore and crippled after the first 20 minutes of use....  Wink


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RE: Best Candidates For Cargo Conversion?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:17 am

Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 1):
Most of the early B767 that were suitable for conversion, have already been bought up and converted.

The 767 will likely see substantial additional conversions as they are released from pax service, as will the 757. Numerous shops were waiting to start doing 757 conversions but were symied by the fact that they are still in such demand as passenger aircraft. With FedEx's huge order for 757 conversions, there will be a substantial secondary market for these aircraft, and eventually Precision, Alcoa-SIE and the others will see a good number of orders for their versions of the 757SF. For now, ST Aero gets the big backlog. The same should happen to the 767 -- there are plenty of folks who would love a used 763 for passenger service, and that market will be first to fill over the next 5 years as the 787 comes on-line at major carriers. Then, we will see more 763s and some 762s going in for conversion to replace DC8s, 727s and A300B4s. The 762 at ABX Air lifts about the same payload by weight as a DC8 (and 50% more than a 727), but uses less fuel than a 727.
 
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RE: Best Candidates For Cargo Conversion?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 11:02 am

737s are starting to become very popular again for cargo. DC-9s have been strong in the cargo world.
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RE: Best Candidates For Cargo Conversion?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 11:06 am

I did see some AT7 in FX colors. I think that is a great A/C to convert since it already have a big cargo door on the forward fuselage.
 
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RE: Best Candidates For Cargo Conversion?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:45 pm

Quoting Luke7e7 (Reply 9):
I did see some AT7 in FX colors. I think that is a great A/C to convert since it already have a big cargo door on the forward fuselage.

ATRs are also factory new if those FedEx birds aren't.

http://www.atraircraft.com/cargo_sol2.htm

http://www.atraircraft.com/cargo_sol.htm

Cessna Caravans can also be converted over to Cargo or bought straight out as Cargo birds, under the CargoMaster name.

Convair airliners, DC-3 (and Basler Turbo 67s), Cessna 402, Piper Navajos, Beech Barons, Cessna 310Rs, Shorts 330/360.

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RE: Best Candidates For Cargo Conversion?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:51 pm

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 2):
What about CRJs?

Didn't FedEx use converted Dassault Falcon bizzjets at one point? I don't think there'd be a huge market for CRJ freighters, but I wouldn't be surprised if a few found there way into the cargo world. There must be some type of demand for a smallish jet freighter.
 
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RE: Best Candidates For Cargo Conversion?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:10 pm

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 2):
What about CRJs?

Already done, West Air Europe are having two converted to freighter configeration.

http://www.sbac.co.uk/community/cms/...iew/news_item_view.asp?i=12188&t=0
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RE: Best Candidates For Cargo Conversion?

Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:47 pm

Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 11):
Didn't FedEx use converted Dassault Falcon bizzjets at one point?

Yes they did, matter in fact that was how they started their now largest airline in the world fleet. It all started with one lonely Falcon 20F running mail and high priority freight.
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