BDABOY
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Flying To Bermuda- Zoom UK Vs. BA

Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:32 am

Zoom Uk has applied to the Bermuda Airline Transport Licensing Board for permission to start flights to Bermuda this summer, according to the local daily newspaper (The Royal Gazette). The flight would operate twice a week as part of service to and from JFK using a 767-300ER, in two tiered economy classes (premium and regular). It will be interesting to see BA's response should they get permission. BA has held the monopoly on the highly profitable LGW route for many years. Despite their outrageous summer fares, they have many loyal customers here. Would a little competition scare them enough into reducing these prices? Will cheaper fares initiate a growth in traffic? Personally I know many people who won't fly to BDA from the UK in the summer because the fares are so high.
 
Chiguire
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RE: Flying To Bermuda- Zoom UK Vs. BA

Sun Mar 04, 2007 5:56 am

I wonder where they expect the people to stay......considering the high occupancy of BDA hotels in summer....
 
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RE: Flying To Bermuda- Zoom UK Vs. BA

Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:09 am

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 1):
I wonder where they expect the people to stay......considering the high occupancy of BDA hotels in summer....

Maybe not this summer but more rooms are on the way, at least three new hotels are planned.
 
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RE: Flying To Bermuda- Zoom UK Vs. BA

Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:17 am

Quoting Lostturttle (Reply 2):

Maybe not this summer but more rooms are on the way, at least three new hotels are planned.

This summer will be the worst: Ariel Sands closed, Wyndham closed...and it will take some time until something new is really there..
 
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RE: Flying To Bermuda- Zoom UK Vs. BA

Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:20 am

So would this mean Zoom UK would offer LGW-JFK non-stop 4/5 times a week at LGW-BDA-JFK twice a week?

A BDA stop that means Zoom UK dont offer daily non-stop LGW-JFK flights isn't going to help their chance of success in the LON-NYC market though
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RE: Flying To Bermuda- Zoom UK Vs. BA

Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:42 pm

Quoting Humberside (Reply 4):

A BDA stop that means Zoom UK dont offer daily non-stop LGW-JFK flights isn't going to help their chance of success in the LON-NYC market though

I think you are correct, years ago BA flew on to Jamaica (that was popular) then they tried Mexico, Orlando and Baltimore
A few others (Condor) have also tried but these flights do not last long.

Direct just seems the way to go nowdays
 
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RE: Flying To Bermuda- Zoom UK Vs. BA

Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:49 pm

Quoting Lostturttle (Reply 5):
A few others (Condor) have also tried but these flights do not last long.

The Condor flights were combined with SDQ. And there were two main problems:
- two completely different markets and passenger types (the Bermuda passengers didn't like the cheap SDQ pax)
- the long return leg from BDA as the routing was FRA-BDA-SDQ-FRA

The attempt to fly a MXP-MUC-BDA last summer failed as well.:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions.../?searchid=81796&s=eurofly#ID81796
 
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RE: Flying To Bermuda- Zoom UK Vs. BA

Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:54 pm

Quoting BDABOY (Thread starter):
Zoom Uk has applied to the Bermuda Airline Transport Licensing Board for permission to start flights to Bermuda



Quoting Lostturttle (Reply 2):
at least three new hotels are planned

Now watch Bermuda turn into an Atlantic Ibiza (Ryanair will be next!!!)... I think Bermuda residents may regret the "old days" of just BA flying there, bringing in selected customers... IF Zoom UK get the license that is...
 
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RE: Flying To Bermuda- Zoom UK Vs. BA

Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:13 am

Quoting AlanUK (Reply 7):

Now watch Bermuda turn into an Atlantic Ibiza (Ryanair will be next!!!)... I think Bermuda residents may regret the "old days" of just BA flying there, bringing in selected customers... IF Zoom UK get the license that is...

Just imagine what would happen if gambling was legalized here! (Crown and Anchor, Bingo and poker does not count!)
 
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RE: Flying To Bermuda- Zoom UK Vs. BA

Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:16 am

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 6):

The attempt to fly a MXP-MUC-BDA last summer failed as well.:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...81796

You were right about the Condor, but I never even knew about the MXP-MUC-BDA, too much Dark n Stomy eats away at the memory me thinks!
 
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RE: Flying To Bermuda- Zoom UK Vs. BA

Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:03 am

Quoting Lostturttle (Reply 9):
Dark n Stomy eats away

Don't remind me - PLEASE !

But do you know that you are sitting on the probably most beautiful part of the world ? It would be a shame if too much new hotels are built and more and more cruise ships spoil the island !
 
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RE: Flying To Bermuda- Zoom UK Vs. BA

Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:32 pm

Quoting Lostturttle (Reply 2):
Maybe not this summer but more rooms are on the way, at least three new hotels are planned.

Am I not right in saying that the proposed three new hotels are all 5 star establishments?

I am also lead to understand that one might be a 7 star hotel!

If so, I am afraid Ryanair will not be flying to Bermuda for many years to come.

Certainly looking forward to seeing Zoom's 767s at Bermuda's International Airport.
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RE: Flying To Bermuda- Zoom UK Vs. BA

Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:03 am

Quoting Columbia107 (Reply 11):

I am also lead to understand that one might be a 7 star hotel!

7 ? Which one do you mean ?
 
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RE: Flying To Bermuda- Zoom UK Vs. BA

Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:56 am

Quoting Columbia107 (Reply 11):
Am I not right in saying that the proposed three new hotels are all 5 star establishments?

I am also lead to understand that one might be a 7 star hotel!

If so, I am afraid Ryanair will not be flying to Bermuda for many years to come.

Certainly looking forward to seeing Zoom's 767s at Bermuda's International Airport.

Think you are right on all the above!

Also I hope this will mean more heavies ( and I mean the type with the big round things on the wings!!!) will visit as spotting in Bermuda is limited to mostly narrowbodies.

I still have a dream of a nice bar at the end of runway 30 next to the beach and fence and road.........oh wait thats been done already (SXM)
 
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RE: Flying To Bermuda- Zoom UK Vs. BA

Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:20 am

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 10):
It would be a shame if too much new hotels are built and more and more cruise ships spoil the island !

I took a friend of mine out to St. George's a couple of weeks ago, sort of a walkingtour. We walked from Town Square out to Fort Catherine and back and he was stunned to see what was left of the old Holiday Inn. That hotel is in a prime location...golf, beach, shopping and easy access to buses to Hamilton and points west.
He and I fail to understand why the powers-that-be cannot take that hotel and restore it to its former glory, rather than take away even more 'green space' to build more hotels. Much as I'd love to see BA get some competition, we need to improve the product that we already have.
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RE: Flying To Bermuda- Zoom UK Vs. BA

Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:35 pm

Zoom seems to have lost the plot.. If you are going to fly this summer you need to be on sale now. They are not even advertising the possibility of " cheap" flights to the USA let alone Bermuda. As has been said where will the customers go to stay and are Zoom customers Bermudas customers? I think not
 
Chiguire
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RE: Flying To Bermuda- Zoom UK Vs. BA

Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:15 pm

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 14):
eft of the old Holiday Inn.

Is this the former Club Med ?

Quoting Stargoldlhr (Reply 15):
Bermuda is a haven from the Chavs of britain and should be kept that way !

100 % correct. Bermuda should stay as it is, improving hotel and service quality. You can also control the income and occupation of rooms in rising the rates instead of building more and more hotels. I know it is very expensive already - but who cares, we can not destroy all nice places in the world be letting everyone travel there.
 
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RE: Flying To Bermuda- Zoom UK Vs. BA

Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:55 pm

Quoting Lostturttle (Reply 2):
Maybe not this summer but more rooms are on the way, at least three new hotels are planned.



Quoting Columbia107 (Reply 11):
I am also lead to understand that one might be a 7 star hotel!

I believe this new hotel is going to be a jumeirah property and I have heard that it will be 7 star.
http://www.jumeirah.com/portfolio/future/?cid=bermuda

Quoting Lostturttle (Reply 9):
too much Dark n Stomy eats away at the memory me thinks!

My worst hangover ever came after a night of Dark n Stormy's  drunk 


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lostturttle
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RE: Flying To Bermuda- Zoom UK Vs. BA

Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:08 pm

Quoting Sketty222 (Reply 18):
Quoting Lostturttle (Reply 9):
too much Dark n Stomy eats away at the memory me thinks!

My worst hangover ever came after a night of Dark n Stormy's drunk


Lee

Thats the one!

Quoting Stargoldlhr (Reply 15):
Bermuda is a haven from the Chavs of britain and should be kept that way !

Very correct, but as our prices are very high, you just can not do the "cheap" trip here. (except for canned Dark n Stormy's oh and beer!)

Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 16):
Zoom seems to have lost the plot.. If you are going to fly this summer you need to be on sale now. They are not even advertising the possibility of " cheap" flights to the USA let alone Bermuda. As has been said where will the customers go to stay and are Zoom customers Bermudas customers? I think not

Yeah I think you are correct, and also from a staffing point of view, the CSA's are already streached thin. (Jet Blue, USA3000 and a few others in between) Many legacy agents now work two or three jobs at the airport and while having more airlines may give more options. Someone has to work them (And before anyone asks, Bermudians or spouse of Bermudians only need apply!) Sorry I have to clarify......Bermuda immigration rules apply here

[Edited 2007-03-06 11:39:34]
 
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RE: Flying To Bermuda- Zoom UK Vs. BA

Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:38 pm

Hi Guys


I start working for Zoom Uk soon, so maybe I can help straighten thing out a bit. Zoom UK is offered as a full-service scheduled airline, lowe fares, thats it. It's NOT charter or LOW COST (sorry to disappoint you!) Naturally at this stage the product would not be 100% comparable to BA, but they are going up for their competition, and I can tell you, that with BA's average July fares of over £780, Zoom will see a few BA pax on our planes!!

Some of the JFK services will be direct, with the less popular departures eg weds/sundays's going via BDA. A link was posted on another forum a few days ago from a Bermudan paper, which shows that the nation are very much behind another carrier flying LGW-BDA to end BA's monopoly - competition is a good thing and all that, blah blah blah.

Personally, I can't wait ot visit BDA, and I'm hopeful the relevant authorities will grant permission.

Cheers!
 
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RE: Flying To Bermuda- Zoom UK Vs. BA

Tue Mar 06, 2007 9:40 pm

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 17):
Is this the former Club Med ?

Yeah, that's the one. It was a Holiday Inn first.

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 20):
Bermudan paper,

Bermudian, not Bermudan. Sorry....pet peeve.  Smile
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BDABOY
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RE: Flying To Bermuda- Zoom UK Vs. BA

Tue Mar 06, 2007 10:26 pm

I really don't think that cheaper fares is going to turn Bermuda into the next budget package destination. Staying here is just too expensive unless you have friends and families. I do think there's a middle ground however. I hear constantly when I'm in the UK- "We could afford to stay there if it wasn't so expensive to get there!" (or vice-versa)

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