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Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:04 am

Paramount, Sahara to benefit from Budget proposal applying lower sales tax on fuel for aircrafts with less than 100 seats.
http://inhome.rediff.com/money/2007/feb/28bud24.htm

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Brazilian-built Embraer ERJ 170 and 190 both (less than 100 seat aircraft powered by jet engines) and Canadian-built Bombardier CRJ 200 (70-seater) and CRJ 900 (90-seater) also powered by jet engines may benefit from the sales tax benefits on ATF (at par with turbo-prop aircraft) as announced by the Finance Minister on Wednesday.

Paramount Airways uses ERJ 170s, while Air Sahara and Indus Air use CRJ 200s. The Bombardier CRJ 900 is an all-new aircraft, which is yet to enter service with any airline in India.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:13 am

Indian flight links three capitals--Delhi, Ranchi, and Bhubaneswar.
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1070301/asp/jamshedpur/story_7455947.asp

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The capital was air-linked with Bhubaneswar today when an Indian (airlines) flight took-off from Birsa Munda Airport. The Alliance Air Boeing 737 that took off today is the airline’s second flight to Delhi and the first to Bhubaneswar from Ranchi, said airport spokesperson Dhananjay Tiwari.

According to Indian’s schedule, the flight takes-off from Delhi at 4.30 pm and reaches Ranchi at 6.05. After leaving the state capital at 6.35 pm, it reaches Bhubaneswar at 7.25 pm. Half an hour break later, the plane takes-off for the national capital and reaches its destination at 9.55 pm.

In the inaugural flight, there were five passengers to Bhubaneswar while 45 were going to Delhi, said the Indian station manager here, Satish Kumar Bage. Barring Indian, Air Sahara and Air Deccan also operate flights between Ranchi and Delhi.

The new fight is expected to cater to the needs of businessmen like Anand Goel, the deputy managing director of Jindal Steel & Power Limited (JSPL). Earlier, when Goel had to go Angul district in Orissa, where JSPL had proposed a plant, he had to fly to Raipur and then reach Bhubaneswar, from where Angul can be reached. But after Indian’s new flight, Goel can sigh with relief.

Air Sahara has announced a flight between Calcutta and Ranchi from March 25 but Air Deccan decided to discontinue its Ranchi-Raipur flight from March 26. The Air Sahara Calcutta-Ranchi flight, said Birsa Munda Airport spokesperson Tiwari, would reach Ranchi at 7.35 pm and return at 8.05 pm. Air Sahara has also informed of operating its daily Delhi-Ranchi-Delhi flight from March 26. The flight would arrive in Ranchi at 2.45 pm and return at 3.15 pm, he said.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:07 pm

Anyone aware of what this is about...
Pardon me if it is being discussed elsewhere...


http://www.indianexpress.com/sunday/story/24794.html

We see ball of fire in night sky: 10 pilots overflying India report to ATCs
Pranab Dhal Samanta Posted online: Sunday, March 04, 2007 at 0000 hrs

NEW DELHI, MARCH 3:Civil Aviation authorities are baffled by reports from at least 10 aircraft overflying India that they had seen a “ball of fire” in the air, about 300 nautical miles south west of Delhi, which is somewhere over Gujarat.

Sources have told The Sunday Express that all reports came in almost simultaneously, around 1.45 am this morning, and the matter is being investigated.

The description used by pilots, according to their reports, was that it appeared like a “ball of fire, orange in colour and scattered”. One pilot, in fact, said it looked like a “meteor shower”.

At first, alarmed officials checked whether any aircraft had gone missing or if there was any other disaster in the area. But all this was ruled out by afternoon.

These reports came in mostly from international aircraft overflying Indian territory. These included British Airways, Air France and Malaysian Airlines. In fact, an Air Sahara flight on the Delhi-Mumbai route also reported the same. A non-scheduled high-speed jet, too, is said to have given a similar report.

It’s learnt that Directorate General of Civil Aviation has asked Air Traffic Control authorities in Delhi to carry out preliminary inquiries into this and submit a report. On the basis of this, the DGCA will decide on the next step and will, possibly, ask the Indian Air Force to look into it as well.

DGCA officials said it is unusual for so many pilots to file similar reports, a fact which indicates they did see “something.” However, at altitudes above 26,000 feet, this would be a rare event. They added that any action would be determined upon the preliminary report by the ATC which comes under the Airports Authority of India.

Meanwhile, this has led to speculation whether this had anything to do with Pakistan’s short-range missile test that was conducted in the last 24 hours according to an announcement this morning. Pakistan had given a notice to airmen that it would carrying out a test, but the exact time was not notified. Others, however, said it is quite difficult for planes over Gujarat to be able to spot any such activity in Pakistan.
Flim-Flam Balderdash...
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:27 pm

Suspected Metor or The Neighbouring country carried out a Missile test.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:58 pm

It could be a meteor. I feel that the Pakistan missile test would not have been visible from the area where the pilots reported a ball of fire.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:26 pm

When Air Deccan (DN) flew to San Diego International.....!

Guys, I was looking around DN's website's schedule page and found this gem. Just scrolldown this page and see.

http://airdeccan.booksecure.net/FlightSchedule.aspx

They decided to go international on their own and the inaugural seem to be between Kaitaia International, New Zealand and SAN, USA, and what's more, its a DAILY with flights departing every 10 mins!!! The equipment is kept as secret.

They also decided to start flying from Laos (Nakhon Phanom West) to Mumbai...! Why not if their A320s can do it and with obvious huge demand between these city pairs?

As though these were not enough, they have announced ultra long haul Mexico (Tehuacan) to Madras! (and perhaps plan to steal those LRs from AI)

Looks like a terrible case of typos. Not to nitpick, but why don't they double check it before putting it all the world to see? (TKMCE, did you saw it?)

From past few days, the whole site seem to have got screwed up. Can't able to retrieve one of my bookings.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:38 pm

Quoting Planeboy (Reply 5):
From past few days, the whole site seem to have got screwed up. Can't able to retrieve one of my bookings.

And you won't be able to ever retrieve old bookings again - at least not with the old PNR numbers!! DN has changed the PNR numbers and you need the new "Confirmation numbers" to retrieve bookings.

It seems like DN/Radixx have really screwed up the transition - what with the site being down for about 3 days, and still no resolution to the old PNRs numbers disappearing. I had to call the call center and get the new "confirmation number" in lieu of my old PNR number, and with the new "confirmation number" the site crashes consistently (with a "Object reference not set to an instance of an object" Java coding error).
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:41 pm

Check out this DEL airport thread here:
DEL In 2010 (by Sunnyb Mar 4 2007 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:21 pm

The airliners file system doesn't let me upload this - but interesting image of PP and VM at Agatti yesterday
http://www.BusinessWireIndia.com/attachments/KFA_Pic.JPG
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:08 am

[quote=Cricket,reply=8]
http://www.BusinessWireIndia.com/attachments/KFA_Pic.JPG
It's funny how VM is dressed in contrast to PP.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:14 am

Peak hour air fares to take off at BOM, DEL, and BLR due to higher landing charges. Great idea.
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes...o_take_off/articleshow/1726334.cms

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The government plans to increase charges on airlines for their peak-time operations at Delhi, Mumbai and Bangalore airports to de-congest air traffic in peak hours, a development that could lead to rise in airfares during this period. "We are working on a clear system of disincentives for airlines operating services during peak hours in the morning and evening and provide incentives for operations during non-peak timings," Civil Aviation Secretary Ashok Chawla said on Monday.

Most private carriers have already imposed a congestion surcharge on their tickets, but state-owned Indian has not done so. This further hike could push the airlines to pass on the additional burden on their peak-time customers. Aircraft have to hover over these three airports for about 30-45 minutes during peak hours before landing. The peak hours have been identified as 0700-1000 hours in the morning and 1800-2200 hours in the evening.

Airport and navigation charges could even be doubled during peak hours and halved between midnight and 0500 hours. The increased charges would be applicable evenly on low-cost and full-frill carriers, he said. Chawla said the increase in these charges would be effective from the last Sunday of this month (March 25), when the summer schedule of airlines begins.

The hike in charges would "essentially be a short-term solution", the secretary said. "In the long run, we have to provide more facilities like additional runways and rapid-exit taxiways to overcome congestion, which should be in place by 2008," he added.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:16 pm

Does anyone have any info to add to this thread:
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:19 pm

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 10):
Most private carriers have already imposed a congestion surcharge on their tickets, but state-owned Indian has not done so. This further hike could push the airlines to pass on the additional burden on their peak-time customers. Aircraft have to hover over these three airports for about 30-45 minutes during peak hours before landing. The peak hours have been identified as 0700-1000 hours in the morning and 1800-2200 hours in the evening.

As if this is going to stop anyone from flying during those hours - all they'll do is increase revenues for the operators of all three airports! And none of them is AAI!
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:25 pm

Quoting Cricket (Reply 12):
As if this is going to stop anyone from flying during those hours - all they'll do is increase revenues for the operators of all three airports! And none of them is AAI!

You have to give it to our babus for coming up with bright ideas like this!! Increase charges and try to kill off a sector rather than making improvements to extend the system to accomodate more flights!!
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:34 pm

Guys in India, how is AY doing advertising-wise on the new BOM-HEL route that opens in June? Does it seem to sell?

Is the schedule good? There's a daytime flight BOM-HEL leaving just after 8 a.m. HEL-BOM arrives to BOM at 6 a.m.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:13 pm

Quoting UpperDeck79 (Reply 14):
uys in India, how is AY doing advertising-wise on the new BOM-HEL route that opens in June? Does it seem to sell?

Is the schedule good? There's a daytime flight BOM-HEL leaving just after 8 a.m. HEL-BOM arrives to BOM at 6 a.m.

Mate, we are still to see any sort of advertisemnt hoarding wise and atleast in the papers i read [Economic Times and Times of India]

Schedule does not seem to be the best fit to cater to the American Market, which is where the bulk of the traffic would be headed, also since you would be able to answer this better--how does the flight connect with European departures as well as arrivals

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:13 pm

A bit of showboating here - I'll be on a A380 media flight in HKG on the 24th!
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:49 pm

Quoting Cricket (Reply 16):
bit of showboating here - I'll be on a A380 media flight in HKG on the 24th!

marvellous mate, you better take a nice new camera for a nice trip report

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:54 pm

Quoting Cricket (Reply 16):
A bit of showboating here - I'll be on a A380 media flight in HKG on the 24th!

You lucky sod you ..... Big grin

Enjoy the flight and make sure you come back with some decent pictures and a detailed breath by breath account of the whole journey!!
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Tue Mar 06, 2007 10:59 pm

Just got back from a trip to India... smug guy in the next seat starts talking about non-stops, and says that 9 pax so far have walked off dead from the Delta JFK-BOM service. I presume this is a 'gup', right?
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:19 pm

Quoting Comorin (Reply 19):
and says that 9 pax so far have walked off dead from the Delta JFK-BOM service

Seems like DL needs to improve the IFE selection  Wink

And no - I don't know if this is "gup" or true!
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:26 am

Quoting Comorin (Reply 19):
ust got back from a trip to India... smug guy in the next seat starts talking about non-stops, and says that 9 pax so far have walked off dead from the Delta JFK-BOM service. I presume this is a 'gup', right?

Actually not quite a gup, i myself have read 5 different cases of passengers dying either on board or immediately after being taken to the nearest emergency center.--these articles were in the months of december and jan.

Which is why i had raised the arguments of passenger fatigue in my earlier posts in response to Mannys posts, especially with AIs on time performance, that we are all aware of  sarcasm 

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:03 am

Quoting Cricket (Reply 16):
A bit of showboating here - I'll be on a A380 media flight in HKG on the 24th!

Great. Congrats! Looking forward to pics.

Quoting Comorin (Reply 19):
smug guy in the next seat starts talking about non-stops, and says that 9 pax so far have walked off dead from the Delta JFK-BOM service.

How does one walk off dead.  Big grin . Jokes aside, Was this happening even before they converted to N/S?

Quoting Nimish (Reply 20):
Seems like DL needs to improve the IFE selection

Is Delta's IFE AVOD or non AVOD?

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 21):
Actually not quite a gup, i myself have read 5 different cases of passengers dying either on board or immediately after being taken to the nearest emergency center.-

Do U know where they made the emergency landings?
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:08 am

Quoting UpperDeck79 (Reply 14):
Guys in India, how is AY doing advertising-wise on the new BOM-HEL route that opens in June? Does it seem to sell?

Is the schedule good? There's a daytime flight BOM-HEL leaving just after 8 a.m. HEL-BOM arrives to BOM at 6 a.m.

There wa an Ad a few days ago looking to Recruit staff.
Personally Im glad its the B752.  Smile

Quoting Cricket (Reply 16):
A bit of showboating here - I'll be on a A380 media flight in HKG on the 24th!

You Lucky Reporter.Take that Camera along We need Pictures  Smile

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:38 am

And no cell phone camera pics - the real deal please. Have fun!

Quoting Nimish (Reply 18):
Quoting Cricket (Reply 16):
A bit of showboating here - I'll be on a A380 media flight in HKG on the 24th!


You lucky sod you .....

Enjoy the flight and make sure you come back with some decent pictures and a detailed breath by breath account of the whole journey!!
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:46 am

Quoting Aarbee (Reply 22):
Do U know where they made the emergency landings?

No mention of emergency landing mate, the passengers dies due to heart fatigue and felt unrest in most instances just as they were about to land itself.

And DL's IFE is non AVOD but is in the process of upgradation

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:51 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 23):
There wa an Ad a few days ago looking to Recruit staff.
Personally Im glad its the B752.

752 for BOM-HEL? Wow! I wonder how many will prefer this.  Yeah sure
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:11 am

Quoting Comorin (Reply 19):
9 pax so far have walked off dead from the Delta JFK-BOM service

That sounds scary....dead pax walking off the flight...do they walk off inflight or after landing ?  Big grin

Quoting Nimish (Reply 20):
Seems like DL needs to improve the IFE selection

By that measure, most AI flights would land with a load of dead pax.....  wink 
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:34 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 27):
Quoting Comorin (Reply 19):
9 pax so far have walked off dead from the Delta JFK-BOM service

That sounds scary....dead pax walking off the flight...do they walk off inflight or after landing ? Big grin

Quoting Nimish (Reply 20):
Seems like DL needs to improve the IFE selection

By that measure, most AI flights would land with a load of dead pax..... wink



Quoting Karan69 (Reply 21):
Actually not quite a gup, i myself have read 5 different cases of passengers dying either on board or immediately after being taken to the nearest emergency center.--these articles were in the months of december and jan.



Quoting Nimish (Reply 20):
Seems like DL needs to improve the IFE selection Wink

You guys are too funny!  rotfl 
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:00 am

Quoting Comorin (Reply 28):
You guys are too funny! rotfl

What was so funny about my statement??

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:30 am

Air-India merger may end reign of Maharaja.
http://www.financialexpress.com/late...t_full_story.php?content_id=156859

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A planned merger of India's two state-run airlines may end the reign of one of its oldest and best-loved mascots, the Air-India Maharaja. The portly maharaja, with his striped turban, big moustache, traditional churidar kurta (narrow pants and long tunic) and pointy shoes, was created in 1946 by Air-India's then Commercial Director Bobby Kooka and Umesh Rao of ad agency JWT.

"We call him a Maharaja for want of a better description. But his blood isn't blue. He may look like royalty, but he isn't royal," wrote Kooka of their creation. What began as a design for an inflight memo pad quickly came to symbolise graciousness and luxury, suggested by the Maharaja's fancy attire, his closed eyes and genial, contented demeanour.

But many believe he has outlived his usefulness. "He's lost some of his relevance," said D. Ramakrishna, a former executive creative director at JWT. "There are good reasons to give him up, as there's only a nostalgic connection with him now."

But few will mourn the passing of the maharaja. "He was once a spokesman, and had a witty and original voice and was associated with hospitality and old-age charm," said Kiran Khalap, a partner in creative firm Chlorophyll. "Now he may be recognised, but does he mean something?"

Singapore Airlines' iconic Singapore Girl, who has been around for 35 years, may be about to get a more contemporary look, and the maharaja may benefit from a face-lift. "It would be a challenge to create a wholly new association, so a more contemporary maharaja could work, and will generate attention in the mascot and the airline," Ramakrishna said.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:07 am

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 29):
What was so funny about my statement??

I thought your comment on AI on-time performance was related - sorry if I misunderstood! By the way , do you have any links to articles on the topic? I 'm not having any luck Googling.

Thanks  Smile
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:19 pm

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 27):
By that measure, most AI flights would land with a load of dead pax.

They already do! Ever seen the sorry faces of economy passengers getting out of AI 111 at JFK? They wish they were dead...  Smile

Yup, entertainment sucks and after a while you start making operas out of the engine whine, but the FAs are good and the food is almost heavenly at times.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:27 pm

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 25):
No mention of emergency landing mate, the passengers dies due to heart fatigue and felt unrest in most instances just as they were about to land itself.

Were any of these DVT related?
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:45 pm

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 30):
Air-India merger may end reign of Maharaja

Oh no. I love the Maharaja. I definately think that they reinvent the Maharaja.

All the witty ads that AI using the Maharaja. Don't tell me they'll be gone  Sad
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:51 pm

A-I sets up panel for aircraft buys

From: http://www.business-standard.com/com...mnu1&subLeft=1&autono=276814&tab=r

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Air-India, which had placed a $7.2 billion order for 68 Boeing planes, has set up an internal committee to consider new aircraft acquisitions.

The airline is looking at acquiring over 30 aircraft, including wide-bodied and smaller ones for massive expansion, according to sources.

The fresh acquisition is aimed at catering to increasing passenger growth and the need of keeping the average fleet size younger. Sources said Air-India will create a template to chart out the acquisition requirements and will hold discussions with aircraft manufacturers in the first quarter of the next financial year.
...
The state-run carrier, which will soon merge with Indian Airlines to form a new entity, is looking at positioning itself as one of the top ten airlines in the world.

Confirming this, Air-India Chairman and Managing Director Vasudevan Thulasidas said, “We want to grow and want more airplanes. We have appointed a committee comprising directors to look at our future needs.” He declined to comment on the number of aircraft required.
...

Good news!
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:07 pm

Air India gets 2 flight simulators

From: http://dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1083407

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Air India has a reason to cheer as they can now cut down their costs on training their pilots. The newly-acquired Boeing737NG and Boeing777 simulators in Mumbai will help train pilots who had to earlier be sent to London for the training. “A huge sum will be saved by the use of these simulators, we will now be able to save on hotel costs and daily allowances,” said Dinesh Keskar, Senior Vice President, Sales, Commercial Airplanes, Boeing.

The Boeing 737NG Simulator will facilitate in-house training for Air India pilots as well as pilots from other airlines. All the simulators will be set up in Mumbai and Air India pilots will be trained at a contractual price there. Pilots from other airlines too can be trained after paying a certain fee.

V Thulasidas, Chairman and Managing Director, Air India and Boeing 777 simulator said that they were working with Alteon (a fully-owned subsidiary of the Boeing Company) for quite a few months to develop and identify suitable training solutions for the new airplane. “The new simulators being installed in Mumbai will get certain backup facilities from Air India. With this initiative, we hope to further improve the efficiency of our pilot training. The agreement between Air India and Alteon will be formalised into a joint venture in the future,” he added.
...
Two more simulators will be brought in to train pilots for Boeing 777 and 787 airplanes in the third quarter of this year and second quarter next year respectively.”
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:03 am

Thread on Continental EWR-BOM non-stop announcement. CO To Mumbai (by DiscoverCSG Mar 7 2007 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:14 am

The Maharajah is timeless and witty and very, very 2007. In fact, he is very 2100.

The idiot marketing execs that AI hires like to use stock stupid terms that all marketing execs use. I doubt if they get the witticisms and uber coolness of the AI Maharajah.

Through all of AI's ups and downs, the Maharajah has always been a winner. You can't say that about Sania Mirza or the Indian cricket team or that ugly bore Shahrukh Khan whose face seems to be splattered all over India like a big pakora.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:34 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 38):
The Maharajah is timeless and witty and very, very 2007. In fact, he is very 2100.

I agree it. Without the Maharajah it would be like Amul's ad without the Amul girl or R.K. Lakshman's cartoon without the common man.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:32 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 38):
Through all of AI's ups and downs, the Maharajah has always been a winner.

Yup, there is nothing old about it. If you read the article, you will see that it is mostly the ad companies making the statements about the Maharaja being obsolete. My guess is they are angling for contracts to replace the Maharaja, and what better than deriding it ?
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:10 pm

Quoting Blrsea (Reply 40):
Yup, there is nothing old about it. If you read the article, you will see that it is mostly the ad companies making the statements about the Maharaja being obsolete. My guess is they are angling for contracts to replace the Maharaja, and what better than deriding it ?

I agree with you guys. The Maharaja is awesome and I hate the marketing crap that companies try to pull to get new rebranding contracts.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:12 pm

What do you guys think about this? From an article in TOI.

A-320 had a hydraulic failure because of which the steering stopped working and the plane skidded off the runway at IGI. It remained there overnight before being towed away.

Last week, another A-320 of the airline had a hydraulic problem because of which the plane had to abort take-off from Delhi and then had to be towed back to the terminal.


I thought that the A320s did good for IA (I'm sure they do) but why the bad press?
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:30 pm

Quoting Hawaijahaz (Reply 42):
but why the bad press

Ever wondered why only IC & AI are targetted  Smile
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:10 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 43):
Ever wondered why only IC & AI are targetted Smile

Maybe because they have the most problems? Though I think DN does get targeted quite a bit - and rightly so. Have you ever heard of 9W's intl flights being routinely late by hours/days? That happens only with AI.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:35 pm

Quoting Hawaijahaz (Reply 42):
What do you guys think about this? From an article in TOI.

More about this topic ...

Wobbly A-320s are still flying

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/W...ill_flying/articleshow/1733661.cms

Quote:
NEW DELHI: Following frequent instances of hydraulic failures in IA’s fleet of A-320s that keep putting passenger safety at risk, the aviation ministry has admitted this is a "known problem area" in this type of aircraft.

Acknowledging that there have been ‘‘several incidents’’, the government asked IA to take up the issue with Airbus which has come out with modifications to the system ‘‘to improve their reliability’’. But only some of the changes have been carried out and the snag-prone plane continues to fly.

Considering the growing concerns about safety and keeping in mind EU's decision regarding PIA flights and also the recent crashes in Indonesia, unless IC takes urgent corrective action, they might soon be hit by a backlash.

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:34 pm

Quoting BigTom (Reply 45):
Considering the growing concerns about safety and keeping in mind EU's decision regarding PIA flights and also the recent crashes in Indonesia, unless IC takes urgent corrective action, they might soon be hit by a backlash.

Cheers

Interestingly, reading a bit more into the article it seems this is because of the number of incidents of steering failure on these aircraft (never a JetBlue sort of incident yet) which leads to IC A320's blocking actives in airports like DEL, BOM and BLR leading to massive flight disruptions. Also this seems to impact the early-build initial 30 IC A320's all of which were among the first 250 built. However, what is peculiar is that airlines like BA, AF and LH also very early operators of the A320 (and still operating these 15+ year old planes) have not faced these problems.

That said, IC's older A320's are definately on their last legs. I flew VT-SCB PNQ-DEL recently it was an IC A319 and it was remarkable to compare it with VT-ESL an old A320 I had flown CCU-DEL a few months ago. Dramatic!
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:49 pm

Quoting Comorin (Reply 31):
thought your comment on AI on-time performance was related - sorry if I misunderstood! By the way , do you have any links to articles on the topic? I

I dont think the articles were published online as the day i had read them i had planned to post the links on the forum but could not find the links, nevertheless if i do happen to find them will post it.

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 43):
Ever wondered why only IC & AI are targetted

in addition to what Nimish said, i would also like to add, it is easier for the press to get sources from AI and IC rather than private entities of 9W and S2, there have been many cases where s2 flights have been delayed for more than 6-7 hours without any compensation/food/beverages of any sort given to pax, especially for a few months after the merger failure with 9W, but these cases were never reported, same can be said of the likes of DN against GO Air and SJ.

Shows what a good PR department/skills can do for your name in the market.

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:04 pm

Quoting Cricket (Reply 46):
Also this seems to impact the early-build initial 30 IC A320's all of which were among the first 250 built. However, what is peculiar is that airlines like BA, AF and LH also very early operators of the A320 (and still operating these 15+ year old planes) have not faced these problems.

What is peculiar is that both IC and AI have consistent quality issues - planes going tech, tires bursting, hydraulic failures etc. It does seem to points to sub-standard maintenance or poor quality spares (especially with the tires bursting).
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 46

Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:58 pm

Quoting Nimish (Reply 48):
poor quality spares

Nimish, no clue really, but also AI and IC operate very old aircraft. That said 9W has some old 737-400's left as does S2 with quite a few 737-300/400 in the fleet. Some of the A320's in service with Deccan are cn 1300-ish and some with Go were among the first 1000, which is why you hear stories of Go aircraft going tech a lot too.
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