Mejor Que Pollo Campero!Central American Av-8!

TACAA320 · Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:41 am

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 47):
TA also used A300s as cargo planes.

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yellowtail · Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:20 pm

What has happened to this thread.....everybody has gone quiet.....have we run out of things to say about CentAm aviation?

carmenlu15 · Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:27 pm

Quoting Tomascubero (Reply 43):

And for Carmen, did you notice the AIN (African International) DC86 in GUA last weekend? It flew EDDP-KEWR-MGGT-KMIA-EBOS.

Mind you, I haven't had time to go properly 'spotting' in a looooong while. I'm just limited to what I see overflying the city while I walk to work in la Zona 10... such as the LAN cargo bird I saw yesterday Big grin

(any idea what type of plane is it?)

Quoting Juanchito (Reply 48):
Spotting was affect on GUA at least we could see some F15, C5, C17 and Blackhawks
Almost al streets near the airport where closed

Not to mention the streets near the Hotel Intercontinental, which is just a block away from my office crazy

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 51):
What has happened to this thread.....everybody has gone quiet.....have we run out of things to say about CentAm aviation?

I don't think I could define myself as quiet... Sleepy is a more suitable word Silly

2travel2know · Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:50 pm

CM/P5 shows 25.6% growth compared to 2006.
Article from La Prensa, in Spanish
http://www.prensa.com/hoy/negocios/917057.html

LTU932 · Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:55 pm

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 52):
the LAN cargo bird I saw yesterday (any idea what type of plane is it?)

I believe LA uses exclusively 767-300Fs for their cargo operations (but there's the possibility of them eventually getting the 777-200F).

aer · Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:56 am

I was googling "spirit airlines" Guatemala the other day and apparently they are hiring for one possition here. Worth to look at.

2travel2know · Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:06 am

DAV gets charter flights - in Spanish.
News about charter flights to DAV.
I can't imagine 200 passengers at the same time in that terminal yet.

carmenlu15 · Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:12 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 54):
I believe LA uses exclusively 767-300Fs for their cargo operations (but there's the possibility of them eventually getting the 777-200F).

Helpful as usual Smile

Thanks a lot, Richie!

Quoting Aer (Reply 55):
I was googling "spirit airlines" Guatemala the other day and apparently they are hiring for one possition here. Worth to look at.

Really? So my source wasn't off-base then... scratchchin

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 38):
according to this guy, he'd heard that NK is planning further expansion to the region... starting with GUA.

Actually, I just found something related in the INGUAT website: http://www.visitguatemala.com/site/n...dadesint.php?id_novedad=175&id=act

snaiks · Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:01 am

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 51):
What has happened to this thread.....everybody has gone quiet.....have we run out of things to say about CentAm aviation?

Well i was going to post both of the news that 2Travel2Know posted, but i was at the university and didnt have any time so i figured i was gonna do it when i came back, and he beat me, maybe next time. Smile

well according to flight aware, they were 737-800, they came from an airforce bace in orlando heres the link,
http://flightaware.com/live/airport/MPDA

great news for DAV, i hope they see more of them, what im wondering right now, WHO WAS IN THOSE PLANES, WHY DAV? must be really hot this time of year, maybe people going to COIBA? what do ya think

snaiks · Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:09 am

well i found this news which isnt that new, but i still think it is great

http://aeronautica.gob.pa/index.php?..._content&task=view&id=320&Itemid=1

sorry spanish only again, at last they are fixing calzada larga, heh when i was in Panama i was doing a touch and go on the 18, and in the middle of my takeoff roll a guy decides "hey im going to cross the rwy while a plane chases me" heh thankflully i was able to take off before i reached him. Also when i was in panama i heard that they wanted to move both schools into calzada larga, which students arn't that thrilled. it is really hard to get by car, but it makes sense, just take off, do a pattern, go to the lake, do manouvers, instead of flying 10-15 miles north just to get to the calzada larga to practice, well see what happens

2travel2know · Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:33 am

Quoting Snaiks (Reply 58):
great news for DAV, i hope they see more of them, what im wondering right now, WHO WAS IN THOSE PLANES, WHY DAV? must be really hot this time of year, maybe people going to COIBA? what do ya think

La Feria Internacional de San José de David (David International Fair) starts tomorrow. Don't know if that charter has something to do with that.
I also know the U.S. National Guard (from Ohio, I believe) is on a mission in Western Panamá.
I'll be in DAV this weekend so I'll inquire about that charter.

carmenlu15 · Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:27 am

Hey guys, if anyone is planning to make a trip to Mexico, both TA and MX have some killer fares from Central America right now! Just some examples... SJO-MEX $184, SAL-MEX $118, GUA-MEX $99 (!!!) plus tax. MX has pretty good fares for other destinations in the country as well. According to Amadeus they are only valid until Sunday, so enjoy while it lasts!

Edit: Oh-my-God, TA has gone crazy or something... GUA-SAP $69, SJO-PTY $49, SAL-SJO $79, GUA-MGA $69, GUA-SAL $20... faint

[Edited 2007-03-15 17:54:00]

TACAA320 · Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:37 am

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 61):

Edit: Oh-my-God, TA has gone crazy or something... GUA-SAP $69, SJO-PTY $49, SAL-SJO $79, GUA-MGA $69, GUA-SAL $20...

Amazing deals indeed. bouncy

carmenlu15 · Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:08 am

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 62):
Amazing deals indeed.

How many tickets have you already purchased? Big grin

CM767 · Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:14 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 60):
I also know the U.S. National Guard (from Ohio, I believe) is on a mission in Western Panam�br />I'll be in DAV this weekend so I'll inquire about that charter.

It was the second, Miami Air if not mistaken.

yellowtail · Fri Mar 16, 2007 5:05 am

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 61):
Edit: Oh-my-God, TA has gone crazy or something... GUA-SAP $69, SJO-PTY $49, SAL-SJO $79, GUA-MGA $69, GUA-SAL $20...

And not a decent SAL-BZE fare in there.....see why TA has lost all its market share here

TACAA320 · Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:03 pm

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 65):
And not a decent SAL-BZE fare in there.....see why TA has lost all its market share here

My last experience in this regard was a couple on weeks ago in the route SAL/BZE/IAH and vice versa. Both flights fully booked in both ways. I also checked such flights for the next two months, and 72% [average] in fully booked by now.

TACAA320 · Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:20 pm

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 66):
I also checked such flights for the next two months, and 72% [average] in fully booked by now.

Fe de erratas: "are fully booked" instead of "in fully booked".

mt99 · Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:47 pm

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 65):
And not a decent SAL-BZE fare in there.....see why TA has lost all its market share here

I know you have a grudge againts TACA, but seriously.. TA has done resonably well in the rest of CA and SA. They are clearly not stupid. A company's mandate is to make money. BZE might not be part of their strategy. Or their strategy might be just that - loose market share - charge more..

Whats wrong with that? Its not like TA is the only airline to BZE. I can think a dozens of potential strategic resons why TA would "abandon" BZE.

Evryone does it.. TACA, COPA, AA. DL..

Every company out there is about the bottom line. When was the last time you worked for free?

[Edited 2007-03-16 15:00:46]

yellowtail · Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:21 pm

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 68):
When was the last time you worked for free?

This morning actually......

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 68):
I know you have a grudge againts TACA, but seriously..

Grudge no.....but I do have dissappointment in them....I have dissappointment in an airline that once opened proclaimed BZE as a "lynch pin" in its operation...an airline who owned the market....that was a household name

I used to fly them once a month.....

And I dunno about full both ways.....maybe the SAL-BZE portion....but to IAH.......hmmmmm

mt99 · Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:29 pm

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 69):
but I do have dissappointment in them....I have dissappointment in an airline that once opened proclaimed BZE as a "lynch pin" in its operation

It happens all the time.. Ford' success in the 80s - 90s was due to the Taurus... later they abandoned it (not that was the brightest idea they had) but hell it happens. Markets, consumers, economics changes...

Are you saying you much rather have TACA as a monopoly? Have thier rates gone up since they have pulled out and more competition has started? (real money.. adjusted for inflation of course..)

I mean you are the oposite of what most Central Americas here. Most want less TACA and more competition.. and you want more TACA?.

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luisca · Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:07 pm

Busy news day in PTY

Just to let you guys know I started another thread about CM's record 2006 profits, profits up 61% to 132 million with revenues of 851 million.

Link
Copa Airlines Profits Jumb 61% In 2006 (by Luisca Mar 16 2007 in Civil Aviation)

CM re-started operations of its second daily PTY-CTG operated by P5 with an E190.

http://www.prensa.com/hoy/negocios/919943.html

And in some not so good news, Airport workers at PTY are protesting demanding increases in salary and a collective bargaining agreement. No threat of strikes yet, but one could be catastrophic to PTY's operations.

http://www.prensa.com/hoy/negocios/919917.html

TACAA320 · Sat Mar 17, 2007 5:45 am

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 69):
And I dunno about full both ways.....maybe the SAL-BZE portion....but to IAH.......hmmmmm

Believe it or not, IAH too. I had that experience at least every two months during the last two year.

[Edited 2007-03-16 23:05:52]

yellowtail · Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:44 am

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 70):
Are you saying you much rather have TACA as a monopoly? Have thier rates gone up since they have pulled out and more competition has started? (real money.. adjusted for inflation of course..)

I mean you are the oposite of what most Central Americas here. Most want less TACA and more competition.. and you want more TACA?.

Actually...yes.....adjsuted for inflation..their rates have gone up .....

Actually..what we want is TA to give us a reasonable fare to SAL....I couldn't care less about them to the US.....I can fly for less from IAH - LGW..than I can from BZE-SAL-SJO

mt99 · Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:28 am

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 73):
I couldn't care less about them to the US.....I can fly for less from IAH - LGW..than I can from BZE-SAL-SJO

Its supply and demand.. So you want reasonable fares to SJO not SAL...

yellowtail · Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:32 am

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 74):
Its supply and demand.. So you want reasonable fares to SJO not SAL...

I need remotely reasonalbe fares to GUA, SAL, PTY.....from BZE....wwe msut go through SAL

mt99 · Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:40 am

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 75):
need remotely reasonalbe fares to GUA, SAL, PTY.....from BZE....wwe msut go through SAL

Ahh ok. so you need reasonable fares to Central America. Sounds like a valid concern. What can i say.. except to reiterate that the laws of supply and demand govern, and yes they can suck.

What about the COPA.. "the knight in shinning armor" of most people in this forum? I have never been really caught on why they dont fly to BZE..

2travel2know · Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:49 am

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 76):
What about the COPA.. "the knight in shinning armor" of most people in this forum? I have never been really caught on why they dont fly to BZE..

CM is "allergic" to non-Spanish speaking destinations in the Caribbean.. and it's not a supply-n-demand thing.. The demand is there, but CM has something about destinations KIN, PAP, POS, BZE, AUA/CUR...

TACAA320 · Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:53 am

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 76):
What can i say.. except to reiterate that the laws of supply and demand govern, and yes they can suck.

A sad reality that apply to every company in the business.

aer · Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:38 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 77):
CM is "allergic" to non-Spanish speaking destinations in the Caribbean..

Anyone have Benadril?? Maybe they're just waiting for the right time (it can be a long time)

TACAA320 · Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:53 am

Quoting Aer (Reply 79):

Anyone have Benadril?? Maybe they're just waiting for the right time (it can be a long time)

mt99 · Tue Mar 20, 2007 10:26 pm

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 77):
CM is "allergic" to non-Spanish speaking destinations in the Caribbean.. and it's not a supply-n-demand thing.. The demand is there, but CM has something about destinations KIN, PAP, POS, BZE, AUA/CUR...

"allergies" of these types are not cured with Benadryl. It is cured with $$$.

Whats the real reason?

2travel2know · Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:23 pm

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 81):
Whats the real reason?

My theory is that because Panama is a country with an identity problem, We can't see ourselves as full Centralamerican. Southamerican or Caribbean.
While on one side, the major trade sector of the Republic of Panama, namely Colon Duty Free Zone, is very much aware of the Caribbeaness of Colon and of the Panamanian people, of how important the West Indies are as Duty Free Zone customers; On the other side, the capital and contryside elites are more Latin and don't give that much importance to strengthen Panama's links with the non-Spanish speaking Caribbean.
Here you've people who love to dance reggae, socca, haïtian music, listen to calypsos, eat Caribbean food, horse races ... but want very little to do with Jamaica, Trinidad, Barbados, Haïti, Curaçao..
IMHO, CM behaviour towards the non-Spanish speaking Caribbean is a reflection of that undefined Panamanian people identity; CM Panamanian owners are (were) Caribbean but CM management is Latin.

mt99 · Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:32 pm

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 82):
CM behaviour towards the non-Spanish speaking Caribbean is a reflection of that undefined Panamanian people identity; CM Panamanian owners are (were) Caribbean but CM management is Latin.

Interesting. So do you think its an elitist attitude towards "less developed" countries?

2travel2know · Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:29 am

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 83):
Interesting. So do you think its an elitist attitude towards "less developed" countries?

Word from a CM Flightattendant: "we'll trade a PTY-KIN-PTY or PTY-PAP-PTY for a lechero (the PTY-SJO-MGA-GUA-PTY and PTY-GUA-MGA-SJO-PTY flights) anytime"

It may not be that much of an elitist attitude, since the number of individuals in CM management and crews who belong to the Panamanian elite or upper/middle upper class is extremely small.
It might be that those flights to the non-Spanish speaking Caribbean are seen as "too foreign, too peculiar, too special" by CM regardless of the strong and old link Panama has with that Caribbean.
If a Latino airline is going to do well in the non-Spanish speaking Caribbean, it's going to be CM.
The market is there and the perception of Panama among those islanders comes over the perception of Venezuela, Colombia, Centralamerica. In Latinamerica, only Brazil and maybe Cuba (in very specific areas) has a high perception as Panama for them.

CM may have an allergy to the Islands, but the Islanders are attracted to Panama and rather fly via PTY than CCS, BOG or SJO. One day in the near future I would love to see CM in all these places too: BZE, GCM, NAS, MBJ, SXM, BGI, FDM, PTP, AUA, CUR, GEO, PBM and CAY.

yellowtail · Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:46 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 84):
"we'll trade a PTY-KIN-PTY or PTY-PAP-PTY for a lecher

to be fair I know alot of AA flight attendants would trade the PAP "roach coach" for anywhere else.

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 84):
CM may have an allergy to the Islands, but the Islanders are attracted to Panama and rather fly via PTY than CCS, BOG or SJO. One day in the near future I would love to see CM in all these places too: BZE, GCM, NAS, MBJ, SXM, BGI, FDM, PTP, AUA, CUR, GEO, PBM and CAY.

Yes would be nice and persistnet rumors have CM soon starting either a PTY-SPS-BZE or a PTY-BZE-CUN route.....but then again it is allergy season :^)

2travel2know · Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:57 am

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 85):
to be fair I know alot of AA flight attendants would trade the PAP "roach coach" for anywhere else.

Actually another of the less-desired flights by CM crews is TGU. Not because how peculiar Honduras is, but because Toncontín Airport.

yellowtail · Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:56 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 86):
Actually another of the less-desired flights by CM crews is TGU. Not because how peculiar Honduras is, but because Toncontín Airport.

Are you talking the approach or the airport itself....

2travel2know · Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:58 am

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 87):
Are you talking the approach or the airport itself...

both

aer · Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:31 am

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 81):

Whats the real reason?

No idea.

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 84):
"we'll trade a PTY-KIN-PTY or PTY-PAP-PTY for a lechero (the PTY-SJO-MGA-GUA-PTY and PTY-GUA-MGA-SJO-PTY flights) anytime"

So would many passengers, believe me.

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 86):
Not because how peculiar Honduras is, but because Toncont�Airport.

Again, so would many passengers.

carmenlu15 · Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:43 am

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 76):
What can i say.. except to reiterate that the laws of supply and demand govern, and yes they can suck.

Indeed they do... Sad

Quoting Aer (Reply 79):
Anyone have Benadril?? Maybe they're just waiting for the right time (it can be a long time)

Quoting Aer (Reply 89):
Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 86):
Not because how peculiar Honduras is, but because Toncont�Airport.

Again, so would many passengers.

You know you're a hopeless aviation geek when you would go out of your way to fly into TGU rather than avoid it... Big grin

Though what you say is true, I had a boss that would rather fly into SAP (in Ejecutiva, mind you!) and take the bus to TGU.

aer · Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:03 am

TGU, the best rollercoaster ride ever!! Wink

LTU932 · Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:05 pm

News on NK's new service to SJO: NK has received its route authority this monday from Costa Rica's CTAC (CATC, Civil Aviation Technical Council) for their new daily FLL-SJO flight. However, there will be a hearing in the coming weeks, in which a decision will be made on a permanent route authority for NK.

Link (in Spanish): http://www.nacion.com/ln_ee/2007/marzo/21/economia1037612.html

carmenlu15 · Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:03 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 92):
News on NK's new service to SJO: NK has received its route authority this monday from Costa Rica's CTAC (CATC, Civil Aviation Technical Council) for their new daily FLL-SJO flight. However, there will be a hearing in the coming weeks, in which a decision will be made on a permanent route authority for NK.

I take it the starting date is still undefined then?

BTW... wouldn't it be about time for a new thread? Big grin

TACAA320 · Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:19 pm

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 93):
I take it the starting date is still undefined then?

I don't think so.
Is still April 5th..

LTU932 · Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:23 am

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 93):
I take it the starting date is still undefined then?

I believe this temporary route authority will just allow them to start these flights at all. Once they get permanent rights, they could use them to increase frequencies.

TACAA320 · Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:08 pm

Taca Out For 41% Of SA Market (by Mt99 Mar 22 2007 in Civil Aviation)

"Comida de cortesía a bordo
Para satisfacer plenamente a sus clientes, TACA implementará desde el 15 de abril próximo, su nuevo patrón de servicio de comidas a bordo.

Con nuevas y atractivas presentaciones, la aerolínea servirá comida de cortesía, dentro de 3 conceptos diferentes, así:

Servicio boquitas, en 3 opciones diferentes (pastelería dulce, pastelería salada o papalinas), durante los vuelos donde no hay un tiempo de comida, según el horario de la ruta.
Durante los vuelos de aproximadamente hora y media, se servirá un sándwich y un producto adicional, ya sea galleta o barra nutritiva.
En vuelos de más de 1 hora y media, TACA servirá un tiempo de comida completo, según el país donde se origine el vuelo.

El servicio de bebidas de cortesía seguirá vigente.

Por otra parte, se brindará un servicio más ligero en vuelos nocturnos y se incluirán boquitas al final de cada vuelo de larga duración. Los viajeros en Clase Ejecutiva recibirán comida caliente diferenciada en todos los vuelos.

Con el establecimiento de este nuevo patrón de servicio de comida, TACA demuestra su preocupación por ampliar la calidad de sus servicios en una de las fases más importantes de su cadena de atención al cliente, como es el tiempo de vuelo a bordo de las aeronaves."

http://news.taca.com/esp/nws/nwsbro.asp?key=772

CM767 · Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:25 pm

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 77):
CM is "allergic" to non-Spanish speaking destinations in the Caribbean.. and it's not a supply-n-demand thing.. The demand is there, but CM has something about destinations KIN, PAP, POS, BZE, AUA/CUR...

I am afraid that the only reason is $$$$$$$$, some Caribbean destinations are more expensive to operate that the ones on Latin America, and that is the only reason you do not see CM on them, the concerns of the crew about PAP would not stop serving it if they make money on the route. I have also heard that PAP, is not that profitable, I was told the reasons, but I will ask again, since at first glance it would seem that is profiyable with all the cargo they must carry.

My memory is disconnected this morning, but we had word few months back of a new destination on the Caribbean, I can not remember which one, but the reason not to open it, was that it was goin to be too expensive to operate, I do not have the details, but I now this from a reputable source. Another example, they also dropped for a while, one destination on Central America when the landing fees were raised, again can not remember which one, it was GUA?, please correct if wrong.

TACAA320 · Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:51 pm

It's really sad that we [Central America] don't have direct flights to Grand Cayman. You must go first to MIA [which is a nightmare, or to IAH] and then connect to Cayman Airways or AA.

2travel2know · Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:21 am

News from Panama Civil Aviation Authority Website IN SPANISH

Panama negociates new bilateral with Colombia CM may be very happy about this..
Charters in DAV Hope DAV gets a major face-lift soon.. It needs an international terminal yesterday..

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