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Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:54 am

Mabuhay and welcome to the first edition of A.net's Philippine Aviation Thread!

Since we're moving a tad bit off topic in the Manila - View At thread, I guess we can move our discussions pertaining to the Philippine commercial aviation industry over here. Big grin

Gonna jump start this thread with a few articles. Some you might have already read and some that is new. Enjoy:

ABS-CBN - MIAA Postpones NAIA-3 opening

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The much-delayed opening of the Ninoy Aquino International Airport-Terminal 3 scheduled for the end of the month has been postponed again, DZMM reported Monday.

The latest postponement was due to the decision of the Manila International Airport Authority (MIAA) based on the recommendations of engineers and the Ove Arup & Partners Hong Kong Limited, an engineering services and design firm.

Orient Aviation - PAL pulls out all the stops

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Philippine Airlines (PAL) president, Jaime Bautista, has dragged the airline from the depths of bankruptcy to financial health and industry respectability. Its latest financial year, with net profits rising a hefty 63% to US$28.7 million, represents its best result in over a decade. TOM BALLANTYNE talked to Bautista about the next phase of the PAL revival story.

Sun Star Davao - Lufthansa eyes Davao market

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OFFICIALS of German airline Lufthansa were in Davao City over the weekend as the airline company took part in the recently concluded Davao Travel Show 2007.

Headed by the general manager for the Philippines Christopher Zimmer, Lufthansa participated in the three-day long event in order to "get a picture" of the tourism market in Davao City.

"We are basically here to do a feasibility study on the market of Davao City," Zimmer told Sun.Star Davao.

Asian Spirit Mulls Flights on Incheon to Davao, Boracay Routes


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Seoul Times - Asian Spirit(6K), one of the leading budget air carriers of the Philippines, is making a push for flight service on Incheon-Davao and Incheon-Boracay route respectively starting in mid March, according to a senior official at Asia Spirit Korea here.

Let the discussions begin!
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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:09 am

PIA are supposed to be starting MNL service this summer, twice weekly A310 from Karachi via Bangkok going onto Tokyo.
 
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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:13 am

Kamustaka N751PR,

Any news on the new operators that are starting between Philippines and Saudi Arabia? I've heard that an airline called Tair airways is flying to JED and RUH from clark.
 
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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:19 am

Hey Joe great idea to start this thread.

Quoting HiJazzey (Reply 2):
Any news on the new operators that are starting between Philippines and Saudi Arabia? I've heard that an airline called Tair airways is flying to JED and RUH from clark.

They where granted to start flying in the begining of 2007 to fly three times a week from Clark-Riyadh-Jeddah using a single B747-400.

However, up to now there seems to be no word, unless im mistaken.

For now Im not even sure if a B744 has been procured yet, and not sure from whom.

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Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:20 am

Its been setup by a Saudi in partnership http://www.tairairways.com/ their route map shows more planned cities.
 
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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:27 am

Quoting 777way (Reply 4):

Hahahaha.

This airline I have to see.

anyways Clark to BOM and DAC would be something to see.

By the way the website says B747-300 not a -400 as previously rumored.

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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:00 am

I'm curious whether the Philippine government followed through on a threat to put restrictions on pilots emigrating and working for other airlines? Any updates?
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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:23 am

“There is a clamour from the Filipino community for PAL to fly to San Diego,” he said. “Right now, passengers from there have to take maybe a small aircraft to Los Angeles, or a bus, to connect with our LA flight. There is a big Filipino community in San Diego.”

Will the run way in San Diego be anough for a fully loaded Transpacific takeoff especially on an A340?

'There will be new seats in business and economy, with corporate travellers getting cocoon-style sleeper seats. Audio Video On Demand (AVOD) is being installed throughout. The number of seats will be reduced from 433 to 426, but there will be more in business class, increasing the higher yield component.'

This will help because a lot of business travelers avoid PAL because of this, including myself.

Bottom line is, I think this Bautista guy is doing a great job with PAL.

The Philippines government do need to find a way to open the new terminal 3 that was completed a long time ago but has never been used.
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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:18 am

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 7):
Will the run way in San Diego be anough for a fully loaded Transpacific takeoff especially on an A340?

NO. The route if opened will be a one stop service via SEA. Therfor two cities will be added to the network. It could also be added to the YVR run, if SEA isn't added.

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 7):
'There will be new seats in business and economy, with corporate travellers getting cocoon-style sleeper seats. Audio Video On Demand (AVOD) is being installed throughout. The number of seats will be reduced from 433 to 426, but there will be more in business class, increasing the higher yield component.'

Just to make the quote a bit more clear, he's talking about the B747-4F6 fleet here, and the removal of First class on all aircrafts.

By the way there is a -400 with 398 seats, so this aircraft(s) will get an increase in seat count.

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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:25 am

Vancouver / Las Vegas are increasing to 5 flights a week for the March - October period!
 
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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:50 am

Quoting KL808 (Reply 8):
By the way there is a -400 with 398 seats, so this aircraft(s) will get an increase in seat count.

Why is that? Does the seats have more pitch across the board?

Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 9):
Vancouver / Las Vegas are increasing to 5 flights a week for the March - October period!

Where are they getting the planes to do this? I was underthe impression all their planes are tied up right now.
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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:00 am

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 10):
Why is that? Does the seats have more pitch across the board?

If im not mistaken the 398 seat aircraft is the ex KU aircraft, if not its the ex AC aircraft. Due to AC or KU's seat layout thats where the seat count differ. Not sure of why, it might have to do with the Galleys or toilets.

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 10):
Where are they getting the planes to do this? I was underthe impression all their planes are tied up right now.

There might be a downgrade in schedule of one of the other routes in the Asian network. By the way the extra flight departs MNL every friday.

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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:23 am

All of the proposed international flights (ICN-DVO, ICN-KLO, etc) are great for the development of the Philippines, but will they be able to survive when (if?) Terminal 3 opens at NAIA?
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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:05 am

What's the latest with SEAir operating as a Tiger Airways franchise in the Philippines?
Is this still happening?
 
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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:09 am

Quoting Boch (Reply 12):
All of the proposed international flights (ICN-DVO, ICN-KLO, etc) are great for the development of the Philippines, but will they be able to survive when (if?) Terminal 3 opens at NAIA?

Good question but with the Korean tourists that vacation in the Philippines especially during winter, maybe there'll be sustainable traffic between ICN and DVO/KLO. I think Koreans are very loyal to their national carriers though (KE and OZ). If they had a long enough runway in Caticlan to support a larg jet, I can see someone starting ICN-Caticlan non-stop because half of the tourists who go to Borocay are Koreans.
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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:43 pm

Kumusta to all on this thread!

Though I have been a regular traveller to the Phils for a few years, I have not ventured beyond Manila as my trips have been in order to visit the in-laws. I was wondering as this is the 1st Phils thread could you humour me here as I'm not too familiar with the IATA codes for most of the the other airports (ok DVO is a pretty obvious one!)

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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Tue Mar 06, 2007 10:46 pm

Quoting KL808 (Reply 11):

If im not mistaken the 398 seat aircraft is the ex KU aircraft, if not its the ex AC aircraft. Due to AC or KU's seat layout thats where the seat count differ. Not sure of why, it might have to do with the Galleys or toilets.

Yep, that's N754PR. Big grin

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 13):
What's the latest with SEAir operating as a Tiger Airways franchise in the Philippines?
Is this still happening?

IIRC it's still on.

Quoting EDICHC (Reply 15):
Though I have been a regular traveller to the Phils for a few years, I have not ventured beyond Manila as my trips have been in order to visit the in-laws. I was wondering as this is the 1st Phils thread could you humour me here as I'm not too familiar with the IATA codes for most of the the other airports (ok DVO is a pretty obvious one!)

Here's the ones I can get off the top of my head:

BCD - Bacolod
CEB - Cebu
ILO - Iloilo
CGY - Cagayan de Oro
CTO - Cotobato
KLO - Kalibo
LAO - Laoag
LGP - Legazpi
PPS - Puerto Princessa
TAC - Tacloban
ZAM - Zamboanga
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Tue Mar 06, 2007 10:54 pm

Quoting N751PR (Reply 16):
Quoting EDICHC (Reply 15):
Though I have been a regular traveller to the Phils for a few years, I have not ventured beyond Manila as my trips have been in order to visit the in-laws. I was wondering as this is the 1st Phils thread could you humour me here as I'm not too familiar with the IATA codes for most of the the other airports (ok DVO is a pretty obvious one!)

Here's the ones I can get off the top of my head:

BCD - Bacolod
CEB - Cebu
ILO - Iloilo
CGY - Cagayan de Oro
CTO - Cotobato
KLO - Kalibo
LAO - Laoag
LGP - Legazpi
PPS - Puerto Princessa
TAC - Tacloban
ZAM - Zamboanga

Thanks for that.  thumbsup  Any idea what Tagbilaran is?
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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Tue Mar 06, 2007 10:57 pm

Quoting EDICHC (Reply 17):

Here are some more including Tagbilaran

TAG - Tagbilaran
GEN - General Santos
MPH - Caticlan
CRK - Clark Field

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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:24 pm

Anybody know any good spotting areas in MNL? I went for dinner at this place called 'Dampa' a few months ago and it's right at the beginning of the runway. That's the only place I know. I've been staying at the Shangri-la Makati for 7 months now and I can see the whole airport from my room. Sometimes they have 4 of the 5 PAL 747's parked at the gate.
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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:54 pm

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 19):
Anybody know any good spotting areas in MNL? I went for dinner at this place called 'Dampa' a few months ago and it's right at the beginning of the runway. That's the only place I know. I've been staying at the Shangri-la Makati for 7 months now and I can see the whole airport from my room. Sometimes they have 4 of the 5 PAL 747's parked at the gate.

Will you still be there in April? Could maybe meet up? I plan on getting some local info re photo opportunities at MNL from my wife's family & friends.
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Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:39 am

Quoting EDICHC (Reply 20):
Will you still be there in April? Could maybe meet up? I plan on getting some local info re photo opportunities at MNL from my wife's family & friends.

I'll still be around. I'm here until God knows when. Send me a PM on when you're coming out here.
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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:18 am

Any news about the pax flights of TransGlobal Airways? They had plans to phase-in some MD-83/88.
 
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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:08 am

What about PAL flights to DFW in the future, currently you have to fly AA from DFW to Japan, and catch a JAL flight to Manila. There is a significant Fillipino community in the DFW area, that would benefit from such a flight.
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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:25 am

Quoting AeroPiggot (Reply 23):
What about PAL flights to DFW in the future, currently you have to fly AA from DFW to Japan, and catch a JAL flight to Manila. There is a significant Fillipino community in the DFW area, that would benefit from such a flight.

Unfortunately, there is no plan and rumors to open any new routes to DFW, ORD or even JFK/EWR, in the near future (+5 years).

Expect SEA and SAN within the next +5 years.
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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:43 am

Check the thread I have just started also about flights to the Philippines. I have listed a choice of 17 airlines quoting return fares from LHR to Manila  Wow!

The Philippines are getting good coverage on airliners.net right now  Wink
 
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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:10 pm

1. N751PR - Thanks for starting the thread and for the links to the news articles. Ahhh the never ending saga of NAIA-III it's worse than the telenovelas.

It's interesting that in the Orient Aviation article, Mr. Bautista has stated that there are no plans for PR to go to Europe. Weren't there articles about his boss (Lucio Tan) wanting to be back in Italy as soon as it's feasible?

2.

Quoting KL808 (Reply 8):
By the way there is a -400 with 398 seats, so this aircraft(s) will get an increase in seat count.

Drew will PR be upgrading this aircraft or will they be selling it? To be honest I'm confused. The link to the Orient Aviation website talks about five 747s in the fleet currently with a reduction to four in the next four to five years. The PR website only shows seat maps for PR751-753 and PR754.

3. Now let the speculation begin... will MNL be one of the first airports to see EK's A380s. MNL was one of the first cities with EK's 777Ws.

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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:40 pm

Quoting AirlineAddict (Reply 26):
Now let the speculation begin... will MNL be one of the first airports to see EK's A380s. MNL was one of the first cities with EK's 777Ws.

Good question. From what I've heard in the past, EK's 773 to and from MNL is normally packed. There's a very good chance they'll send one of their first A380's to MNL. Ha haa, hopefully I'll still be around here when that happens.  bouncy 
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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:38 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 13):
What's the latest with SEAir operating as a Tiger Airways franchise in the Philippines?
Is this still happening?

ANYONE?
 
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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:11 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 28):
Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 13):
What's the latest with SEAir operating as a Tiger Airways franchise in the Philippines?
Is this still happening?

ANYONE?

I was doing some searches last week wondering the same thing. I can find nothing beyond all the press releases making the announcement, saying it would start end of Feb. '07. Seair and Tiger's websites say nothing.
I was hoping to see some new domestic routes out of Clark. I arrive March 22nd and plan to stay in Asia 3 weeks. I will take Tiger to SIN and MFM (ferry to HKG and back) for work, but have a few days to explore PI.
 
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Wed Mar 07, 2007 11:27 pm

Quoting AirlineAddict (Reply 26):
Drew will PR be upgrading this aircraft or will they be selling it? To be honest I'm confused. The link to the Orient Aviation website talks about five 747s in the fleet currently with a reduction to four in the next four to five years. The PR website only shows seat maps for PR751-753 and PR754.

Currently PR will be upgrading all of its aircrafts especially the B747-4F6's:

N751PR
N752PR
N753PR
RP-C8168 (Del to PR on 12/03 from AC ex CP)

B747-469M ex KU - N754PR (398 seats, the only Combi in the fleet) [I do wonder why they don't utilize the combi option?]

All the above mentioned aircraft including the 8 A330-301's as well as the 4 A340-313X will get the new cocoon style business class seats.

Seat count on the A340's might increase too with the removal of First Class.

Now with regards to the reduction of the B744 fleet, one of the B744 will be returned to the lessor when the lease expires, but this will be replaced with B777--3F6ER's (WOW I love how that was typed  Silly ) that are currently on order.

So I think in 4 to 5 years time, PR will have 4 B744 and 3 B77W in the fleet with either 1 or 2 of the B77W being leased.

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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:58 am

When did Kuwait Airways operate the combi 744? I always thought they only had the single all passenger version with a presidential upper deck, operated by the state not the airline.
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:14 am

Quoting 777way (Reply 31):
When did Kuwait Airways operate the combi 744? I always thought they only had the single all passenger version with a presidential upper deck, operated by the state not the airline.

KU intially ordered 2 B747-469M's. They where ordered with a SCD so that they can change the interior of the aircraft for Amiri flights. The current lone B744 9K-ADE of KU has a bedroom on the upper deck which is closed to the public when it operates commercial flights with KU.

9K-ADF was never delivered to KU and was subsequently taken by PR as N754PR. This particular aircraft has 14 more F seats, 8 more J seats and 57 less Y seats than the rest of the B744 fleet.

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Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:47 am

Quoting Viasa (Reply 22):
Any news about the pax flights of TransGlobal Airways? They had plans to phase-in some MD-83/88.

Unfortunately I haven't been too keen in being up-to-date with the RP aviation industry usually relying to what friends say and what's posted in other forums so unfortunately, I haven't heard much on this one.

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 28):
ANYONE?

Likewise. Tried digging out anything recent but nothing came up yet. :/
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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:38 am

Hi guys, fyi -There is a previous discussion on Asian Spirit / TransGlobal at: RE: Asian Spirit MD-80 (by Babaero Mar 7 2007 in Civil Aviation)
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:27 am

KL 808:

Gen. Santos is GES.  Smile

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Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:14 am

Quoting Leamside (Reply 34):
Hi guys, fyi -There is a previous discussion on Asian Spirit / TransGlobal at: RE: Asian Spirit MD-80

I briefly checked out that thread before I did this one...completely forgot about TransGlobal's relation w/ Asian Spirit in the MD-80 flights. My bad. Embarrassment
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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:51 am

Quoting N751PR (Thread starter):
Quote:
OFFICIALS of German airline Lufthansa were in Davao City over the weekend as the airline company took part in the recently concluded Davao Travel Show 2007.

Headed by the general manager for the Philippines Christopher Zimmer, Lufthansa participated in the three-day long event in order to "get a picture" of the tourism market in Davao City.

"We are basically here to do a feasibility study on the market of Davao City," Zimmer told Sun.Star Davao.

How big do you think the chance of LH starting flights to DVO is? Why not make MNL a non-stop to begin with?  Smile

Quoting AirlineAddict (Reply 26):
will MNL be one of the first airports to see EK's A380s. MNL was one of the first cities with EK's 777Ws.



Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 27):
Good question. From what I've heard in the past, EK's 773 to and from MNL is normally packed. There's a very good chance they'll send one of their first A380's to MNL. Ha haa, hopefully I'll still be around here when that happens.

They (EK) are increasing flights to MNL this month from 10/weekly to 14/weekly 77Ws!
Regarding the A380, in an article they state that Manila will be operated by the A380 with J/Y-configuration (644 seats).
And since there's something wrong with the website, I quote the last part of the article:




Emirates expects to have the A380 megajumbo in service in July next year and has
already worked out the configurations for the new aircraft. On ultra long-range
flights, the Emirates A380 will have three classes and 487 seats.

On most other flights, the aircraft will have three classes and 517 seats, while the Manila service will be configured with two classes and 644 seats.





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Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:03 am

Quoting Macmac76 (Reply 35):
Gen. Santos is GES

You are correct sir, my apologies.

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 37):
How big do you think the chance of LH starting flights to DVO is? Why not make MNL a non-stop to begin with?

To be honest nil. Davao though a huge city and very beautiful at that isn't as popular with tourist like Cebu, that said it seems to be a bit far fetched for LH to send their A346 to DVO.

The competition to MNL from Germany is very steep, and MNL is traditionally a very low yielding route. Most passengers on the LH flight usually get off at CAN.

However, this does not mean that its not a profitable route, cause if it wasn't it would have been axed a long time ago. Cargo on this route is very strong, thats one of the reason KL does financially good on this route, and so does LH.

So why then does LH not offer direct flights?
To be honest I have no clue. My best bet is the lack of capable aircraft. The A343 would be well suited to do FRA-MNL non stop, but Im not sure if its capable of bringing in loads of cargo with it, and therefore the one stop. LH use to fly B744 to MNL via BKK and with the introduction of A346 has changed it via CAN. A346 direct to MNL might be overkill.

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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:43 am

Hi all, re Kalibo flights with reference to Asian Spirit, TransGlobal, AiResources, & Pearl Pacific Airlines , there is also another thread at: Incheon-Kalibo (Boracay), Philippines Flights. (by Leamside Mar 2 2007 in Civil Aviation)

The first 3 entities are Clark based. Unfortunately, the thread generated no response  Sad

Re Lufthansa in DVO, I wouldn't be surprised if JetStar makes it to that city before Lufthansa does. Out of 'delicadeza' I cannot reveal the source of my info. Let's call it a hunch rather than info  Wink

BTW- Here's some interesting news about SEAir & Cebu Pacific bickering over air routes: http://services.inquirer.net/express...ut/xmlhtml/20070305-53001-xml.html
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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:59 am

Quoting Leamside (Reply 39):
BTW- Here's some interesting news about SEAir & Cebu Pacific bickering over air routes: http://services.inquirer.net/express...ut/xmlhtml/20070305-53001-xml.html
What's your take on this?

From your link;

"Seair is applying for routes for Clark-Davao, Davao-Clark, Clark-Cebu, Cebu-Clark, Clark-Macau, Macau-Clark, and Clark-Singapore, Singapore-Clark."

The only new route is Clark-Davao. Clark-Cebu is served by both Seaair and Cebu Pacfic. Currently, that is Cebu Pacific's only Clark flight.
The Macau and Singapore routes are current Tiger Air flights.
I have flown all of them except Seair's Cebu-Clark several times. My Seair flights have been Clark-Manila-Caticlan(Boracay) and return.
I really like using Clark compared to MNL. So easy to get to and thru, I overlook the rather primitive amenities, lol.
I am all for ANY expansion at Clark.
 
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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:51 pm

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 7):
“There is a clamour from the Filipino community for PAL to fly to San Diego,” he said. “Right now, passengers from there have to take maybe a small aircraft to Los Angeles, or a bus, to connect with our LA flight. There is a big Filipino community in San Diego.”

Will the run way in San Diego be anough for a fully loaded Transpacific takeoff especially on an A340?

Nope. YVR or SEA would be the most likely stops.

Quoting KL808 (Reply 24):
Expect SEA and SAN within the next +5 years.

Good to hear!  Smile
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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:16 pm

Quoting KL808 (Reply 38):

To be honest nil. Davao though a huge city and very beautiful at that isn't as popular with tourist like Cebu, that said it seems to be a bit far fetched for LH to send their A346 to DVO.

Indeed. If anything, we'd likely see MNL go nonstop before LH touches another Filipino city. LH going to DVO would rather be a reverse in a downsizing trend in the EU-RP market though it'd be nice to see the airport get more international flights. Big grin
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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:28 pm

Quoting Terryb99 (Reply 40):
really like using Clark compared to MNL. So easy to get to and thru, I overlook the rather primitive amenities, lol.
I am all for ANY expansion at Clark.

How far away is Clark Airport from Metro Manila?
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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:36 pm

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 43):
How far away is Clark Airport from Metro Manila?

Around 40 miles/60 kilometers.
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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:00 pm

First of all, Kudos and thanks to N751PR for starting the thread.

Quoting KL808 (Reply 30):
but this will be replaced with B777--3F6ER's (WOW I love how that was typed) that are currently on order.

I think a lot of people are eagerly awaiting when the Letter of Intent on these would finally be a firm order that will appear on Boeing's O&D page. The UFO suspense can sometimes be exasperating.


Quoting CityAirline (Reply 37):
in an article they state that Manila will be operated by the A380 with J/Y-configuration (644 seats).

Security concerns aside, information on public access and transiting between the terminals, the general airport layout, aircraft parking apron and jetway plans for NAIA T3 are sorely lacking, compounding would be visitors' already unwelcome feeling due to the delays. Could someone please post a link, especially of the A380 dock(s), if any?

Wikipedia provides a most informative and balanced read.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninoy_Aquino_International_Airport

Quote:
"The terminal is currently slated to open at the earliest in mid-2007, when it will take over all of the operations of Terminal 1 and the Manila Domestic Passenger Terminal. It has 28 airbridges, 20 contact and 8 non-contact, and can service 28 aircraft all at once.

Structure

Terminal 3 is built on a 63.5-hectare lot that sits on Villamor Air Base. The terminal building has a total floor area of 182,500 m2, having a total length of 1.2 kilometers. A 4-level shopping mall connects the terminal and parking buildings. The parking building has a capacity of 2,000 cars while the outdoor parking area has a capacity of 1,200 cars. The terminal is capable of servicing 33,000 passengers daily at peak or 6,000 passengers per hour.

Its apron area has a size of 147,400 m2, 34 air bridges, 20 contact gates with the ability of servicing 28 planes at any given time. The terminal has 70 flight information terminals, 314 display monitors, with 300 kilometers of fiber optics I.T. cabling. It also has 29 restroom blocks. The departure area has five entrances all equipped with X-ray machines with the final security check having 18 X-ray machines while its baggage claim has 7 large baggage carousels, each with its own flight display monitor."
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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:53 pm

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 43):
How far away is Clark Airport from Metro Manila?

Thanks to horrendous traffic jams, may I add that when talking about land travel in some parts of the Philippines, it is not "how far" a destination is but rather "how much time" it takes to get from one point to another.

That being said, can someone tell me how long it takes to get between Metro Manila & Clark during and off peak traffic nowadays?

Thanks.
 
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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:20 pm

Quoting Leamside (Reply 46):
Thanks to horrendous traffic jams, may I add that when talking about land travel in some parts of the Philippines, it is not "how far" a destination is but rather "how much time" it takes to get from one point to another.

I went to school in LA and I never thought I'd ever see worse traffic jams up until I got to Manila...LOL

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I just did a TR on my recent SFO-NRT-MNL if you guys are interested in checking it out;
SFO-NRT-MNL On NW World Bus Class (lots Of Pics) (by Norcal773 Mar 8 2007 in Trip Reports)

I'll also do a MNL-Caticlan-MNL on SEAIR minus the bikinis in Boracay since I have a ton of pics.
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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:22 pm

Slightly off topic, I found this picture of the old MIA terminal (circa 1970). Not quite sure what kind of aircraft, looks like a BAC One-Eleven. It must have been a nice place to spot. Thought I'd share it with you. And no, I'm not in the picture. Carry on.

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RE: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1

Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:22 pm

Does PAL subtitute the SFO-MNL route between the A343 and the 744? I believe I've seen both at SFO at some point. Do they also have many international flights out of CEB? I once flew on a PAL A333 MNL-CEB and I could be wrong but I thought I heard someone say it was headed to NRT after that.
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