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ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:48 pm

Beginning next month, ExpressJet Airways will begin flying 4 ERJ-145's throughout the B6 system on a temporary basis. It is not a "JetBlue Express", but rather flying that will be contracted to fill the voids from 2 E190's that will be leaving the fleet each month for the foreseeable future. The planes leaving the fleet need new software to be programmed at the BNA EMB facility because their reliability has been atrocious of late. Once all E190's are "updated", expect ExpressJet to leave.
 
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:52 pm

Source?

Of all the rumors surrounding XJET, this is one of the juiciest.
 
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:59 pm

Quoting Drewwright (Reply 1):
Of all the rumors surrounding XJET, this is one of the juiciest.

...and the most full of pork fat........
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:26 pm

I have also heard this from a reliable B6 source. Could be as soon as this Wed. 3/7/07 I was told.
 
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:10 pm

I suppose it is more than just a rumor now. B6 employees apparently received an email today with the news. Perhaps a B6 employee can post highlights of this announcement?
 
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:27 pm

Well I guess we know where 4 of those charter-specific XE birds are going.
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:46 pm

What are those pax who booked B6 for the PTVs going to think?
 
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:48 pm

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 6):
What are those pax who booked B6 for the PTVs going to think?

I was just thinking the same thing. They'll probably try to sue. They should try reading, it's incredible.
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:05 pm

$25 vouchers to all customers on an XJT flight, and customers will be called in advance to advise them of the change. Initial routes appear to be BOS-BUF/IAD/CMH/RIC/JFK
 
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:53 pm

Since this seems to be a move motivated by software quality issues on the relatively new 190s, who is going to handle the costs of bringing ExpressJet on board - JetBlue or Embraer?
 
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:39 pm

Quoting BCBHokie (Reply 9):
who is going to handle the costs of bringing ExpressJet on board - JetBlue or Embraer?

I am going to have to say that this bill is going to be going to Embraer.
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:56 am

Perhaps the B6 customers will be the first to use the XM system if XJET uses the newly configured aircraft.
 
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:59 am

I chose a good week to be in BOS - I'll try to head out to the airport and see these birds.
 
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:03 am

There is nothing special about these planes. There going to have plain white tails.
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:04 am

This rumor has been circling the XJET rumor mill pretty heavy today. I think this is a go. It will be done under our charter operation. It is very temporary as the original poster mentioned. Not sure which planes will be doing the flying. Most likely the XR's in the new paint. It would be nice for us to use the XM radio equipped aircraft to provide the best product for B6 possible for the small time we may be doing this.
 
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:09 am

I wish we had never bouth the E-180. We should have stuck with Airbus like the 319 or 318. These E-180's should be dropped to the bottom of the ocean. They would make a better ship wreckage sight than an airlplane...
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:09 am

Hey, if/when these planes come through PIT, B6 might actually have 100% load factors!  bigthumbsup   rotfl 
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:09 am

Perhaps B6 will like Xjet so much they will use them to open up some smaller markets that the E90 are too large for.. on a true regional basis (500 nm and less)..
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:11 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 17):
Perhaps B6 will like Xjet so much they will use them to open up some smaller markets that the E90 are too large for.. on a true regional basis (500 nm and less)..

That would be nice, but we would need some more aircraft! I also don't think B6 is interested in doing that. But you never know...stranger things have happened.
 
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:14 am

I also heard this from a number of people as well.

Sould be interesting!
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:15 am

I doubt they will still have 100% load factors because people in PIT are still stuck on an airline that dropped them like it was nothing. Everbody still loves US Scareways there. B6 should have known better going to PIT but were giving it a try....
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:20 am

Quoting B6sFinest (Reply 20):
I doubt they will still have 100% load factors because people in PIT are still stuck on an airline that dropped them like it was nothing. Everbody still loves US Scareways there. B6 should have known better going to PIT but were giving it a try....

You do have a point... US is eating their hides really...
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:27 am

Quoting ISP (Thread starter):
The planes leaving the fleet need new software to be programmed at the BNA EMB facility because their reliability has been atrocious of late. Once all E190's are "updated", expect ExpressJet to leave.



Quoting B6sFinest (Reply 15):
I wish we had never bouth the E-180. We should have stuck with Airbus like the 319 or 318. These E-180's should be dropped to the bottom of the ocean. They would make a better ship wreckage sight than an airlplane...

Does anyone have the details of why the E190s have poor reliability? Are other E190 operators experiencing the same?
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:29 am

Other operators dont have as many so its probaly very isolated. If the wind blows the wrong way a warning light goes off from what I hear.
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:29 am

This is too bad for B6 really. Didn’t they also have to borrow some TZ planes recently as well? Are they going to be XE aircraft painted like Continental? That would probably be more of a shock to those customers then the plane itself.
On the other hand this is great news for XE. I was one who thought they would have great difficulty making use of the 60-something planes returned to them by CO. Not only have they made lots of good use for many of them in a very short time, but in addition to running their own airline they now have contracts with DL and B6 in addition to CO. Not bad.
 
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:33 am

The program that jetBlue is undertaking with the E190 has nothing to do with software issues. They are simply taking advantage of the last of the free warrenty time to bring these planes up to date with the latest revisions. It makes sense... why waste the free warrenty and this way when the warrenty expires the planes will be current. It is not the first time jetBlue has done this with the E190.

[Edited 2007-03-06 18:04:45]
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:41 am

Quoting B6sFinest (Reply 15):
I wish we had never bouth the E-180. We should have stuck with Airbus like the 319 or 318. These E-180's should be dropped to the bottom of the ocean. They would make a better ship wreckage sight than an airlplane...

Umm, I think I missed something . . . 180's?
 
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:44 am

Quoting Riddle274 (Reply 26):
Umm, I think I missed something . . . 180's?

It's an old joke.
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:58 am

Quoting B6sFinest (Reply 15):
We should have stuck with Airbus like the 319 or 318.

The 318 would make life worse for B6, not better; it has high unit costs and you can't resell them. What you should do is convert those 150 seat A320s to 150 seat A319s. THAT would make sense and reduce your CASM quite a bit.
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:05 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 27):
Quoting Riddle274 (Reply 26):
Umm, I think I missed something . . . 180's?

It's an old joke.

i.e. They always make a 180 back to the gate. A play on their reliability...

DL had some reliability issues witht he MD-11 at one point, coining the term the MD-911...
 
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:09 am

Haha, wow it's been a long morning, thanks guys - I should have picked up on that!!
 
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:25 am

Quote:
Beginning next month, ExpressJet Airways will begin flying 4 ERJ-145's throughout the B6 system on a temporary basis.

This might explain why CoExpress is "temporarily" ending its BFL-IAH service.  scratchchin 

Will this affect ExpressJet's planned operations under its own banner at all? Or are there enough planes to do everything they are hoping to do?
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:30 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 28):
The 318 would make life worse for B6, not better; it has high unit costs and you can't resell them. What you should do is convert those 150 seat A320s to 150 seat A319s. THAT would make sense and reduce your CASM quite a bit.

And if they would have done this, then PIT, CMH, other E90 start-up stations would never have happened... I don't think B6 would've put A319s on PIT or CMH flights. They're having a hard time with PIT with the E90s, only half-full... Granted, half full is better than 10% or 20% full when they first started...
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:05 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 31):
This might explain why CoExpress is "temporarily" ending its BFL-IAH service.

CoEx isn't the one ending the service, CO is pulling the plug, as they are the one responsible for all of the scheduling of the CoEx aircraft. The only relation in the B6 flying and the BFL flights, is the fact that of the 69 aircraft CO released to XE, 44 of them are XRs. CO could not sustain its current route structor without the 44 XRs, so to compensate, it had to cut the long and lean routes in favor of keeping the feed to to the more important cities.
In addition, XE can't take even one of the remaining 205 aircraft out of the CO system, and use them for branded flying, or OAL flying. There was a specific list of aircraft that were "being released" from CO service, and only those 69 aircraft can be used, but they are not allowed to do any revanue flights into CLE, EWR, or IAH. Its somewhat of a messy situation, like a divorce with a restraining order, but somehow XE managment has been finding ways to make the best of it.
I dont think anybody would have imagined that in the time span of a few months they have gone from being SOL to diving head first into the branded flying, and having two new OAL contracts (if you even consider the short term B6 one a contract)
 
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:13 am

Perhaps this may explain why B6 recently dropped one of the BOS-PIT flights.

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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:27 am

Quoting Drewwright (Reply 4):
I suppose it is more than just a rumor now. B6 employees apparently received an email today with the news. Perhaps a B6 employee can post highlights of this announcement?

No E-mails from B6 making the Xjet part of the fleet nor using assistance from them yet, I am with Tech Ops and I have hear nothing...

Quoting B6sFinest (Reply 15):
I wish we had never bouth the E-180

Get your facts right... That is E-190 and they do a pretty good job for the small legs...

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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:34 am

Here is B6 Announcement....  hot   hot 

JetBlue Airways News



E190 SPECIAL MOD LINE ANNOUNCED

Since mid-February we have been sending our E190 aircraft to Embraer’s North American maintenance facility in Nashville to have a number of upgrades incorporated that, when completed, are expected to greatly improve the technical dispatch performance of the fleet. Over the next two months, more than 30 modifications will be embodied on each aircraft.

In order to support this modification program we will reduce the number of E190 operational spares from two to one aircraft, and this, combined with lower than acceptable technical dispatch performance on top of a 6-week delivery schedule delay has resulted in a number of operational disruptions. To help support our operation without unduly impacting our A320 fleet and crews, which are often called upon to fill in for E190s, we will contract up to four ExpressJet Embraer ERJ145 commuter jet aircraft (50-seat) to support up to two lines of E190 flying during this modification schedule.

We will contact Customers on those flights that will have the substitution in advance, and we will offer $25 Vouchers to compensate Customers for the reprotection on ExpressJet.
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:34 am

I guess this guy from Tech Ops hasnt checked his emails yet because there is an email with all the info on it. And while the E 190 is great ONCE IT TAKES on short legs, its the getting off the ground part that is difficult. I work the ramp and although here in MCO we only get one a day but when they first started flying we had 3 or 4 and they would just sit around, go out to the runway and come back. Hopefully shortly it will all be resolved once there updated or I would be asking Embrear for a refund...
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:50 am

Thanks for the post, WepaMan!
 
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:03 am

Quoting WepaMan (Reply 35):
No E-mails from B6 making the Xjet part of the fleet nor using assistance from them yet, I am with Tech Ops and I have hear nothing...

Im Inflight Leadership at B6 and we got an e-mail.
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:28 am

I've been hearing about this for two weeks now from very reliable sources. I also just received an email about it. Check out the "Daily News" email.
 
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:42 am

Quoting WepaMan (Reply 36):
In order to support this modification program we will reduce the number of E190 operational spares from two to one aircraft, and this, combined with lower than acceptable technical dispatch performance on top of a 6-week delivery schedule delay has resulted in a number of operational disruptions. To help support our operation without unduly impacting our A320 fleet and crews, which are often called upon to fill in for E190s, we will contract up to four ExpressJet Embraer ERJ145 commuter jet aircraft (50-seat) to support up to two lines of E190 flying during this modification schedule.

We will contact Customers on those flights that will have the substitution in advance, and we will offer $25 Vouchers to compensate Customers for the reprotection on ExpressJet.

Passengers (at least the ones that want to get where they're going) are lucky B6 doesn't have Union Crews. Otherwise, this would not be possible. Or at least without significant negotiations that would likely outweigh the effort.
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 7:26 am

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 41):
Passengers (at least the ones that want to get where they're going) are lucky B6 doesn't have Union Crews. Otherwise, this would not be possible. Or at least without significant negotiations that would likely outweigh the effort.

I agree, unions can sometimes introduce self-preserving, extranious bureacracy that get in the way of common sense and serving a company's customers efficiently.
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 7:55 am

The email that inflight recieved, and i'm sure the pilots recieved the same, all crews that are operating 190 pairings will be pay protected for any flight that gets operated by ExpressJet. Those that are affected will not be forced to take other assignments or be forced to sit RSL (Reserve Line Holder). So it shouldn't affect the crew much as we will still get paid if the flight is operated by ExpressJet. I wouldn't mind getting paid to sit at home :P
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:08 am

Quoting WepaMan (Reply 35):
Get your facts right... That is E-190 and they do a pretty good job for the small legs...

As stated above, the "E-180" connotation is an old joke. It might've helped to cut down on confusion a little if the poster had mentioned that, though.

Is it absolutely certain that the ERJs that ExpressJet will fly for jetBlue will be painted in all-white or ExpressJet colors? I wouldn't mind seeing a jetBlue ERJ, much less a -145XR.
 
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:43 am

JetBlue is the new PeoplExpress circa 1986
 
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:50 am

I was absolutely pissed off when I first heard this. However, after thinking about it for a while, it doesn't sound like a half bad deal if it really does improve the dispatch ability of the 190.. Most of the cities affected will only have 1 turn operated as a 145 from what I understand. And yes, you can almost rest assured that Embraer is footing the bill for this and just about every other mx issue we have had (vouchers, pax compensation, etc.) since we started using the 190's. I believe our first 145 operated flight here in CMH will be on 3/9/07.
 
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:13 am

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 44):
Is it absolutely certain that the ERJs that ExpressJet will fly for jetBlue will be painted in all-white or ExpressJet colors? I wouldn't mind seeing a jetBlue ERJ, much less a -145XR.

The 145s will be painted in the new ExpressJet colors.
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:19 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 31):
This might explain why CoExpress is "temporarily" ending its BFL-IAH service.

These flights have nothing to do with B6. The planes that are going to be used for the B6 flying are already removed from the CO flying. These flights will be operated with 4 of the 15 aircraft dedicated to charter operations. B6 is chartering these aircraft similar to when they chartered DC-10s after the Valentine's situation. We are simply providing supplemental lift to B6 when they need it most. This is the way I understand the agreement to be arranged.
 
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RE: ExpressJet To Fly For JetBlue (B6)

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:01 pm

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