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ANA Orders 4 More 777-300ER, Sell 3 More 747-400

Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:29 pm

ANA has announced ordering 4 more 777-300ERs on press release issued on 06MAR07.

All 4 777-300ER will be delivered in 2009, which will have a fleet of 14 by the end of 2009.

At the meantime it'll sell 3 more 747-400s. ANA currently have 23 in operation, 6 frames were announced to be sold previously.

The 747-400s to be sold are:

JA404A, phased in in 1999, to be retired in 2007
JA405A, phased in in 2000, to be retired in 2007
JA403A, phased in in 1999, to be retired in 2008

The 747-400s will be sold to Oasis Growth Income and Investments Limited which will lease to Oasis Hong Kong Airlines

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RE: ANA Orders 4 More 777-300ER, Sell 3 More 747-400

Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:35 pm

Interesting. Haven't NH said that they want just three types in future: the 737, 787 and 777? This is another step towards that goal.
 
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RE: ANA Orders 4 More 777-300ER, Sell 3 More 747-400

Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:09 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
Haven't NH said that they want just three types in future: the 737, 787 and 777? This is another step towards that goal.

Yes, they did say that. However, that would mean ordering a lot more 777-300ERs to replace all remaining 747-400s, and ordering more 777-300s to replace the Domestic 747-400s. Thats approximately 15-20 more planes needed to be ordered if they want to fully phase out the 747.
 
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RE: ANA Orders 4 More 777-300ER, Sell 3 More 747-400

Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:09 pm

Ah, so this is where the Oasis planes are coming from!! Now they just need some pilots!
 
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RE: ANA Orders 4 More 777-300ER, Sell 3 More 747-400

Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:16 pm

Those are rather short lives -- only 7 and 8 years in service. The 744 must really be inefficient in todays market.
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RE: ANA Orders 4 More 777-300ER, Sell 3 More 747-400

Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:21 pm

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
ANA has announced ordering 4 more 777-300ERs on press release issued on 06MAR07.

All 4 777-300ER will be delivered in 2009, which will have a fleet of 14 by the end of 2009.

I thought Boeing said the 777 line is sold out until 2011!! How come ANA is getting theirs in 2009 if they just ordered them?  confused  JL's ceo recently said he wants some 777's but none are available until...get this...2013. Something is a miss here. Did ANA have any options on 773's?

Quoting MrComet (Reply 4):
The 744 must really be inefficient in todays market.

I wouldn't say that exactly but I think the 773ER is just way too efficient than the 744.
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RE: ANA Orders 4 More 777-300ER, Sell 3 More 747-400

Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:43 pm

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):

NH's Japanese press release doesn't indicate when the 773ERs are due but you are probably right or some may even come in late 2008.

With this order, their total 773ER order will be 17 with eight delivered. They will take delivery of four this fiscal year, which leaves one aircraft to be delivered from the previous order in probably 2008.
 
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RE: ANA Orders 4 More 777-300ER, Sell 3 More 747-400

Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:51 pm

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 5):
I thought Boeing said the 777 line is sold out until 2011!! How come ANA is getting theirs in 2009 if they just ordered them?

Because this figure included options/LoIs/commitments. NH obviously has exercised some options or had an existing LoI with Boeing.
 
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RE: ANA Orders 4 More 777-300ER, Sell 3 More 747-400

Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:23 pm

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
The 747-400s will be sold to Oasis Growth Income and Investments Limited which will lease to Oasis Hong Kong Airlines

Slightly off topic, but interesting to see that Oasis will get these ex- NH birds, since they are GE- powered, when the ones they have now are PW- powered.

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Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:29 pm

Quoting Raggi (Reply 8):
Slightly off topic, but interesting to see that Oasis will get these ex- NH birds, since they are GE- powered, when the ones they have now are PW- powered.

I think they outsource most of the MX stuff anyway so its probably not a big deal.
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Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:36 pm

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RE: ANA Orders 4 More 777-300ER, Sell 3 More 747-4

Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:38 pm

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 5):
I wouldn't say that exactly but I think the 773ER is just way too efficient than the 744.

I wouldn't say so. In a lot of cases, airlines are replacing 774s with 773ERs purely because they are downsizing the type of aircraft at their top end (like NH). The 777 is a twin and being newer, has lower MX costs. Don't the 2 types have roughly similar CASM figures?

Also, bear in mind that a lot of 774s are reaching the end of their "useful" life cycle for the top tier airlines, who are seeking replacements.

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RE: ANA Orders 4 More 777-300ER, Sell 3 More 747-400

Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:43 pm

Quoting SkyGazer (Reply 11):

Also, bear in mind that a lot of 774s are reaching the end of their "useful" life cycle for the top tier airlines, who are seeking replacements.

It is more like: do we decide to perform an entire D-check on the plane ourselves, which is very expensive, or do we replace the plane by a new one that better fits our network, has lower costs and saves us the investment in a new D-check on the 747's. From this perspective it is not strange they are selling the 747's at around 9 years of age (likely 1 year before a new D-check is due depending on the use of the air frames).
 
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RE: ANA Orders 4 More 777-300ER, Sell 3 More 747-400

Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:14 pm

Just to confirm then.

ANA have also sold JA8904, JA402A, JA8095, JA401A, JA8096 and JA8097 to the Air Atlanta group who will convert them to B744SF/BCF's?

Is this still the case?

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RE: ANA Orders 4 More 777-300ER, Sell 3 More 747-400

Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:54 pm

How does this reflect on the possibility of them getting the 747-8i?
 
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RE: ANA Orders 4 More 777-300ER, Sell 3 More 747-400

Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:15 pm

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 3):
Ah, so this is where the Oasis planes are coming from!! Now they just need some pilots!

Cathay has plenty for them to pinch.

Quoting Raggi (Reply 8):
Slightly off topic, but interesting to see that Oasis will get these ex- NH birds, since they are GE- powered, when the ones they have now are PW- powered.

Considerimg their scarcity on the second hand market, Oasis is after anything. Engines are no problem, HAECO fixes everything.

Quoting EI321 (Reply 14):
How does this reflect on the possibility of them getting the 747-8i?

Close to zero. They have explicitly stated B773ERs will be their biggest plane for the forseeable future.

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RE: ANA Orders 4 More 777-300ER, Sell 3 More 747-400

Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:46 pm

Slightly off topic yet again.

JA401A and JA402A are both flying for ANA in B744D configuration.

Will Air Atlanta return the aircraft to normal B744 specs and put back the winglets on before converting them to freighters?
 
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Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:58 pm

How much does a D check cost? How long is the plane out of service? I
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Tue Mar 06, 2007 9:08 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 14):
How does this reflect on the possibility of them getting the 747-8i?

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RE: ANA Orders 4 More 777-300ER, Sell 3 More 747-400

Tue Mar 06, 2007 9:19 pm

Quoting MrComet (Reply 17):
How much does a D check cost? How long is the plane out of service? I

For a 747 this could be weeks, even a full month or more depending on what needs to be replaced and the state of the A/C. A D-check will mean the plane is entirely dismantled and then re-assambled at a MX facility. This is very labour intensive and as such a D-check will costs several million USD, not including actual replacements that have to be done (parts, etc).
On a side note, engines usually have a completely different maintenance cycle and do not follow the C/D check pattern.
 
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Tue Mar 06, 2007 10:01 pm

Quoting MrComet (Reply 4):
Those are rather short lives -- only 7 and 8 years in service. The 744 must really be inefficient in todays market.

If that were totally true, they'd be going to the scrapyard or be converted to freighters where their duty cycle is much lower. I think as others have said that this is a case of 'rightsizing' to fit ANA's current needs, and another step towards simplifying their fleet. The fact that the 777 is so efficient makes this an easier decision to make.
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RE: ANA Orders 4 More 777-300ER, Sell 3 More 747-400

Tue Mar 06, 2007 10:09 pm

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 18):
Quoting EI321 (Reply 14):
How does this reflect on the possibility of them getting the 747-8i?

Think of hell and snowballs.

They dont rule out either the 747-8 or A380 here, but I agree it will be in the long term if ever.

http://www.atwonline.com/channels/ai...eFocus/article.html?articleID=1745

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The long-term fleet plan is built around the 777 and 787. Earlier this year the airline announced the sale of six 747-400s to Avion Aircraft Trading of Iceland and the stated aim is to sell the entire 747-400 fleet. Interestingly, despite this plan, Yamamoto is not ruling out the 747-8 Intercontinental or A380 for international operations: "We'll see what effect the A380 has on our competitiveness." Star partners Singapore Airlines and Lufthansa, along with Qantas, plan to operate the A380 to Narita.
 
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Tue Mar 06, 2007 10:32 pm

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 7):
Because this figure included options/LoIs/commitments. NH obviously has exercised some options or had an existing LoI with Boeing.

JL won't be too pleased then. Their national rival is getting 773's 4-5 years before they're able to.

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RE: ANA Orders 4 More 777-300ER, Sell 3 More 747-400

Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:38 pm

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 6):
NH's Japanese press release doesn't indicate when the 773ERs are due but you are probably right or some may even come in late 2008.

Go to their investor relations part and there's the delivery date specified

Quoting EI321 (Reply 14):
How does this reflect on the possibility of them getting the 747-8i?

Nil. They're never interested in the 747-8 but did hint may get A380 when they feel is necessary.
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RE: ANA Orders 4 More 777-300ER, Sell 3 More 747-400

Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:51 am

Another week, another 4 777s sold. I think its gonna be a banner year for the 777 once again. Jeez, the 777 could be as common place as the 737 at area aiports soon! (ok slight exaggeration)
 
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RE: ANA Orders 4 More 777-300ER, Sell 3 More 747-400

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:10 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 21):
They dont rule out either the 747-8 or A380 here, but I agree it will be in the long term if ever.

Very doubtful... NH has stated for awhile they want to only fly 3 type of a/c in the future.


http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...ews&storyid=62460+06-Mar-2007+RTRS

Wonder when Boeing will post something on this? Eitherway excellent news for Boeing, the 777 program, and NH.
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RE: ANA Orders 4 More 777-300ER, Sell 3 More 747-400

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:10 am

As an earlier poster mentioned, it is ANA's philosophy to phase out their 747 fleet in favor of 777s. They are downsizing and no longer want the capacity that the 747-400 offers. The 747-400 is an efficient aircraft and can hold it's own agains the 777-300ER. With that being said, the 777-300ER has lower maintenance costs etc. A better comparison will be the 747-8 agains the 777-300ER.

It is nice to see that Oasis is getting relatively new birds! My only question is, how will the upcoming D checks effect their operations? Hey, CX Flyboy, couldn't you jump over to Oasis and have an outstanding seniority number????
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RE: ANA Orders 4 More 777-300ER, Sell 3 More 747-400

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:16 am

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 23):
Quoting EI321 (Reply 14):
How does this reflect on the possibility of them getting the 747-8i?

Nil. They're never interested in the 747-8 but did hint may get A380 when they feel is necessary.

I also think its only possible in the long term, but looking at the comments made by Yamamoto in the article I posted, there seems to be a suggestion that ANA might be pushed towards the A380 if it is a success with the competing airlines. I wonder how this could be, as ANAs 787s should have equal or lower seat costs than A380s and I dont think there is any serious slot problems there at the moment. Perhaps there is some other reason?
 
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Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:23 am

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 12):



Quoting PHKLM (Reply 12):
It is more like: do we decide to perform an entire D-check on the plane ourselves, which is very expensive, or do we replace the plane by a new one that better fits our network, has lower costs and saves us the investment in a new D-check on the 747's. From this perspective it is not strange they are selling the 747's at around 9 years of age (likely 1 year before a new D-check is due depending on the use of the air frames).

I understand this but what I don't get is the buyer has to pay for a D check thus reducing the value of the used airplane. Isn't it like having a car with 80k miles on it with a blown transmission-if you don't fix it the car is being sold as sca rap?

Any does anyt w one know what a D check costs_and perhaps almost as important how long it takes? and what is the vlaue of a sued well maintaine 8 year old 747-400 approaching its D check?
 
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Wed Mar 07, 2007 7:30 am

I got word in here that ANA are to send in to LHR B773ERs starting 25th May, NH201 on the afternoon flight eta 1555 and the B744 service put back to a evening service. the B773ERs will only be operating to LHR til september for now.

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RE: ANA Orders 4 More 777-300ER, Sell 3 More 747-400

Wed Mar 07, 2007 7:38 am

Quoting Ultrapig (Reply 28):
I understand this but what I don't get is the buyer has to pay for a D check thus reducing the value of the used airplane.

Obviously the price of a plane reflects its maintenance status. The question for ANA (or any other airline) is whether they want to pay for the D-check and hopefully recover the cost after selling it or put that money towards the replacement airplane. Chances are financing is easier putting it towards the new plane, especially if it is leased. The D-check would have to be paid for out of cash, while the lower priced is financed over the service life of the new plane. The other factor is that the new owner may be just as happy to do the D-check and know precisely what the condition of his new plane is.
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Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:02 am

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
ANA has announced ordering 4 more 777-300ERs on press release issued on 06MAR07.

All 4 777-300ER will be delivered in 2009, which will have a fleet of 14 by the end of 2009.

At the meantime it'll sell 3 more 747-400s.

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RE: ANA Orders 4 More 777-300ER, Sell 3 More 747-400

Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:13 am

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 24):
Another week, another 4 777s sold. I think its gonna be a banner year for the 777 once again. Jeez, the 777 could be as common place as the 737 at area aiports soon! (ok slight exaggeration)

No exaggeration if you come to HND.

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 31):
If everyone keeps doing this 777 for 747 swap, we will be seeing a 2 engine powered 747 before too long

Just a Japanese phenomena. Ask LH or EK how many four-holers they have on order.
 
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Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:15 am

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 32):
Just a Japanese phenomena. Ask LH or EK how many four-holers they have on order.

A valid point.
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Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:33 am

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 32):
Just a Japanese phenomena. Ask LH or EK how many four-holers they have on order.

Not just Japanese; how many US carriers have any four-holers on order?
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Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:19 am

If one looks at Europe and Oceania though, there are plenty of 4 holers on order. This has more to do with with a smaller capacity aircraft (777-300ER) in regards to a 747-400 and where these carriers want their capacity to be.
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RE: ANA Orders 4 More 777-300ER, Sell 3 More 747-400

Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:27 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 27):
Perhaps there is some other reason?

I might be digging too deeply but I think it has to deal with product. That same article states that NH wants to become #1 in Asia and maybe the world. It wants to be a top tier airline. (IMO already done) But if the top tier airlines in the region like SQ, TG, and KE seem to be profiting well from having the A380 and are able to provide a higher quality product associated with it, NH will consider the A380 to stay competative and to achieve/maintain a high ranking.

Also new NRT slots will be available in 2009 (?). NH and JL will get first dibs. Those slots are still limited. Tokyo is still a high demand destination and if that demand increases the need for seats will increase and we could see more large 4-holers. But on the other hand NH or JL could very well create new linking flights between Tokyo and other major airports in Japan and start new long-hauls from those airports thus curbing the need for new large 4-holers.
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Wed Mar 07, 2007 11:10 am

Quoting CX747 (Reply 26):
Hey, CX Flyboy, couldn't you jump over to Oasis and have an outstanding seniority number????

I could do that yes, but then when they go bust I will have no seniority number!
 
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RE: ANA Orders 4 More 777-300ER, Sell 3 More 747-400

Wed Mar 07, 2007 11:45 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 2):
Yes, they did say that. However, that would mean ordering a lot more 777-300ERs to replace all remaining 747-400s, and ordering more 777-300s to replace the Domestic 747-400s.

Replacing the domestic 744s with 773As seems impossible. AFAIK, the very last 773A was delivered to CX a few months ago, so as far as the 777-300 product line goes, only the 77W is available. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
 
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RE: ANA Orders 4 More 777-300ER, Sell 3 More 747-400

Wed Mar 07, 2007 11:56 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 38):
Replacing the domestic 744s with 773As seems impossible. AFAIK, the very last 773A was delivered to CX a few months ago, so as far as the 777-300 product line goes, only the 77W is available. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

Boeing will happily build you a 773A, I imagine. However, the 787-3 probably offers better economics, even with it's lower capacity.
 
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Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:01 pm

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 37):
I could do that yes, but then when they go bust I will have no seniority number!

C'mon now, think positively. Competition for your airline is a good thing.
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Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:07 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 38):
Replacing the domestic 744s with 773As seems impossible. AFAIK, the very last 773A was delivered to CX a few months ago, so as far as the 777-300 product line goes, only the 77W is available. Correct me if I'm wrong though.



Quoting Stitch (Reply 39):
Boeing will happily build you a 773A, I imagine.

Stitch is correct, the 777-300A is still on offer from Boeing. That goes for all 777 models.
 
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Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:06 pm

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 40):
C'mon now, think positively. Competition for your airline is a good thing.

Sure it is....what I meant was that I get the impression that they are not faring too well and I hae my doubts as to whether this airline can last. Competition is great for the consumer.
 
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Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:31 pm

For how much they will sell the 744? it should be expensive because they are in a very good condition
 
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Truly this has to be the icing on the cake and proves the B747 days are numbered as a PAX variant...  airplane 

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Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:14 pm

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Truly this has to be the icing on the cake and proves the B747 days are numbered as a PAX variant...

Err.... tap the brakes, buddy.  eyebrow 

 
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Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:59 pm

Quoting Ultrapig:I understand this but what I don't get is the buyer has to pay for a D check thus reducing the value of the used airplane. Isn't it like having a car with 80k miles on it with a blown transmission-if you don't fix it the car is being sold as sca rap?

Any does anyt w one know what a D check costs_and perhaps almost as important how long it takes? and what is the vlaue of a sued well maintaine 8 year old 747-400 approaching its D check?

Keep in mind that during these inspections a lot of repairs are done based on what is found during the check. A high cycle rate versus a low cycle rate comes to play as well. No two same model aircraft will have the exact same wear and tear. Costs vary depending on the repairs that come up from the inspections done during a D. Even with good maintenance cracks can be found in structures normally not accessed until the D check. Aircraft I have seen in D check have their APU's removed,control surfaces a flaps taken of the wings,interior panels in pax and cargo compartments removed as well as all seats. Even the insulation blankets are removed throughout the fuselage to inspect the frames and stringers,rivets and window frames. I have seen as many as 75 people working on an aircraft at once. Most often it takes a month or more depending on repairs during check.
So maybe you can imagine what the price tag must be.

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RE: ANA Orders 4 More 777-300ER, Sell 3 More 747-400

Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:20 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 44):
Truly this has to be the icing on the cake and proves the B747 days are numbered as a PAX variant...

As Mark Twain once said, the rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated...
I agree that the main use for the 747 is going to be freight from here on, but the 748i will still sell a few. Since it was piggybacked on the 748F instead of the other way around its development costs are not be as great if it had to stand on its own, and there still is a small but distinct market for this size plane.
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RE: ANA Orders 4 More 777-300ER, Sell 3 More 747-400

Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:38 pm

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 45):
Err.... tap the brakes, buddy.

Oops Big grin Other than the lovely LH Big grin order as a launch carrier for the pax variant B748i I personally believe the program won't receive large orders when Boeing have the B777 and B787 which can carry out the same mission... I love the B747 but I've been corrupted by the B777 Big grin

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 47):
As Mark Twain once said, the rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated...
I agree that the main use for the 747 is going to be freight from here on, but the 748i will still sell a few. Since it was piggybacked on the 748F instead of the other way around its development costs are not be as great if it had to stand on its own, and there still is a small but distinct market for this size plane.

I hope the program receives a boost too... You cant ask for a better launch carrier than LH  Wink

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