lotsamiles
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Boeing In Deal With ST Aero For 767 P2F

Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:26 pm

Reuters is reporting that Boeing is about to announce a deal with ST Aero to perform 767 conversions (variant not specified). There is no mention of the other Boeing 767SF supplier Aeronavali in the article. I wonder if Boeing is pulling the work out of Italy or simply opening up with a second supplier. I heard the delays on the 762SF were due to Boeing engineering; anyone with inside scoop help us out here!

http://yahoo.reuters.com/news/articl...20_SIN210420&type=comktNews&rpc=44

I also wonder where this work will be done. You might think that ST Aero would have their hands full with 87 FX 752SF's on order.

[Edited 2007-03-06 15:39:18]
 
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RE: Boeing In Deal With ST Aero For 767 P2F

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:09 am

I am guessing it's a second supplier since Boeing feels conversion demand will be heavy.
 
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RE: Boeing In Deal With ST Aero For 767 P2F

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:25 am

Im sorry whats a 767SF? This is the first ive heard of this.
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RE: Boeing In Deal With ST Aero For 767 P2F

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:28 am

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 2):
Im sorry whats a 767SF? This is the first ive heard of this.

"Special Freighter". Essentially the same as the 744BCF (Boeing Converted Freighter) which was originally also know as the 744SF.

Boeing certifies a passenger to freighter conversion kit which they then sell to third parties to do the actual work.
 
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RE: Boeing In Deal With ST Aero For 767 P2F

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:31 am

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 2):
Im sorry whats a 767SF? This is the first ive heard of this

I was referring to the 767-200 converted freighter, an Aeronavali STC program with under license from Boeing. It's an old habit to use SF to refer to a freighter conversion but now there are a host of marketing designations to use.

The 767-300BCF is a Boeing converted 767-300 via a service bulletin and changed type certificate using supplier parts and labor. Previously Boeing announced that Aeronavali would be the partner for the 767-300BCF so this is a surprise.
 
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RE: Boeing In Deal With ST Aero For 767 P2F

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:35 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 2):
Im sorry whats a 767SF? This is the first ive heard of this.

"Special Freighter". Essentially the same as the 744BCF (Boeing Converted Freighter) which was originally also know as the 744SF.

Is there any difference between the -SP spec and those 767s that have already had a conversion?
 
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RE: Boeing In Deal With ST Aero For 767 P2F

Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:03 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
Is there any difference between the -SP spec and those 767s that have already had a conversion?

That I cannot answer, as I am not familiar with the specifics. However, if Boeing is using the same kits and certifications, it should not be.
 
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RE: Boeing In Deal With ST Aero For 767 P2F

Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:05 am

How popular is the 762/762ER for freight purposes? What would be the appeal there over 763ERs really, other than the fact that it's probably easier to get a hold of them? Just curious what the market is.
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RE: Boeing In Deal With ST Aero For 767 P2F

Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:06 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
Is there any difference between the -SP spec and those 767s that have already had a conversion?

That I cannot answer, as I am not familiar with the specifics. However, if Boeing is using the same kits and certifications, it should not be.

I think the concept of airlines them selves converting their own aircraft is kinda cool. Hope they do it across the range.
 
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RE: Boeing In Deal With ST Aero For 767 P2F

Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:09 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 8):
I think the concept of airlines them selves converting their own aircraft is kinda cool. Hope they do it across the range.

I think you will find that few (if any) airlines have the manpower, facilities or expertise to try a cargo conversion on their own. It is a massive job and would tie up a couple of service bays and many mechanics for several months for each airframe. Airlines are set up for maintenance not modification programs.
 
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RE: Boeing In Deal With ST Aero For 767 P2F

Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:37 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
Is there any difference between the -SP spec and those 767s that have already had a conversion?

For 767-200ER conversions the Boeing endorsed program offers 20 pallets and payload as high as 101,000 lbs. For the IAI Bedek program they have 19 pallets and a maximum of 93,400 lbs. of payload. However, with the 767-200 there are a lot of weight combinations so getting the highest payload requires specific passengers planes to start with.
 
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RE: Boeing In Deal With ST Aero For 767 P2F

Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:44 pm

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