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LAN Plans To Order 24 Aircraft, Incl. 15 A32S.

Wed Mar 07, 2007 11:44 am

IIRC LAN ordered 25 A32S aircraft in 2005. I came across this article (see link), in the article is written that LAN plans to buy 15 A32S aircraft, 5 long-haul aircraft and 4 cargo aircraft. Anyone knows if the single aisle aircraft are in addition to the 25 ordered in 2005? It isn't mentioned what widebody and cargo aircraft will be ordered. LAN operates the 767F but has also the A343 in her fleet.


http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070306/lan_offering.html?.v=1

LAN plans to buy five long-haul passenger planes, four cargo aircraft and 15 Airbus A320 model planes, scheduled for delivery between 2008 and 2011.

LAN said the planes cost a combined $1.8 billion at list prices, but airlines often get discounts when placing large orders.

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15 A32S aircraft would cost atleast US$900 million, unless they're all A318 aircraft. That leaves US$900 million for the remaining 9 aircraft (supposedly all new widebodied aircraft). That doesn't sound right.

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RE: LAN Plans To Order 24 Aircraft, Incl. 15 A32S.

Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:09 pm

Quoting Manni (Thread starter):
$1.8 billion at list prices

So if they buy 4 767F how much would they have left to buy with for the 5 longhaul planes? How much are 767F (listprice)?

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Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:11 pm

Cool! Maybe this means the end of the 732's! Nice birds for their time, but a tad outdated nowadays... specially regarding the overhead bins.
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RE: LAN Plans To Order 24 Aircraft, Incl. 15 A32S.

Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:36 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 1):
So if they buy 4 767F how much would they have left to buy with for the 5 longhaul planes? How much are 767F (listprice)?

According to the Boeing website they're between US$143 million and US$155 million. It's seems that the article I quoted is not 100% accurate. The value of the order at listprice could be wrong or perhaps the type and or number of aircraft LAN is looking to purchase. Anyone from the region with more accurate information?
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RE: LAN Plans To Order 24 Aircraft, Incl. 15 A32S.

Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:46 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 3):
Anyone from the region with more accurate information?

I can't find anything. The article does say "planned", so I'd assume it's not a new order.

Also, the B767Fs makes me suspicious that this isn't a new order as well.

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RE: LAN Plans To Order 24 Aircraft, Incl. 15 A32S.

Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:59 pm

Well Boeing is listing 6-8 UFO 767's. I've been trying to figure out who has ordered these. Could make since. They still have more new build 767's still coming so it's my guess.
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Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:15 pm

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 4):
Also, the B767Fs makes me suspicious that this isn't a new order as well.

The 767F wasn't mentioned in the article. Anyway, according to the Boeing order page all known 767F aircraft ordered by LAN have been delivered (8 in total). If these cargo aircraft are indeed 767F's, they'd probably be new orders or undisclosed orders already booked by Boeing.

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 5):
Well Boeing is listing 6-8 UFO 767's.

They're listing 9 so far for 2007. Booked in 2 separate weeks, 6 last week and another 3 a while ago.


Found this link. As mentioned in the first post of the topic Airbus ordered 25 A32S aircraft in 2005, they also took 15 options. Perhaps LAN will excercise her outstanding options.

http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...s_items/10_11_05_Lan_Airlines.html

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RE: LAN Plans To Order 24 Aircraft, Incl. 15 A32S.

Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:07 pm

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 5):
They still have more new build 767's still coming so it's my guess.

And they have fully refurbed their existing older fleet! I like the way you're thinking. Always did surprise me that they didn't take the A332 (and retire the 763) after the A343 and the A320 family.

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Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:44 pm

The following is a link to the full statement by LAN also available at www.lan.com

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/070306/20070306006367.html?.v=1

They key statement in relation to their fleet intentions;

The proceeds of this increase will be used to finance LAN's fleet expansion program, resulting from the strong traffic growth in the markets where the Company operates. The new fleet expansion program includes the arrival of 5 long-haul passenger aircraft, 4 dedicated freighters and 15 Airbus A320 family aircraft. These aircraft will be delivered between 2008 and 2011, with list prices that total approximately US$1.8 billion.

It is my informed opinion that this order will take place in 3 stages;

1: The 4 dedicated Freighters are 763Fs ordered and listed as UFO on September 29, 2006. No engines were allocated to them for several months. They are now listed as GE powered, LANs preferred supplier for the model.

2: The 15 x A32X series will be partial conversions of their 15 options which they took in 2005 and booked as a new order. In addition to frames from their order of 25 booked as Manni linked though not yet delivered.

3: The 5 x "Long Haul Passenger aircraft" is the first public acknowledgement of their RFP. An announcement should be made within the next 2 months as to which model they select. The frames will be new build.

LAN are actually quite transparent when reporting to the SEC, have a history of ordering Boeing 767s as UFO and their press releases can lead to some confusion for reporters when they use a term such as the arrival.

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RE: LAN Plans To Order 24 Aircraft, Incl. 15 A32S.

Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:42 pm

For cargo planes LAN maybe will be the launch customer of the model in latin america. The order are 2 planes + 2 options and will be delivered in 2009 to cover routes from Santiago to Miami-Europe and in the next future start service to Asia (Shanghai Pudong), and Santiago-Europe non stop. Also de 5 long haul aircraft will be delivered between 2010 and 2011.

The single aisle aircraft (A320 family, includes the A318, A319 and A320, the A321 is not considered by LAN), will be delivered after 2008.

Maybe today the company at midday, makes an official announcement after the meeting with Boeing Commercial people here in Santiago.

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Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:55 pm

Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 9):
For cargo planes LAN maybe will be the launch customer of the model in latin america. The order are 2 planes + 2 options and will be delivered in 2009 to cover routes from Santiago to Miami-Europe and in the next future start service to Asia (Shanghai Pudong), and Santiago-Europe non stop. Also de 5 long haul aircraft will be delivered between 2010 and 2011.

Thank you for the excellent local insight RJ_Delta and I would very much like to be proved wrong in my assessment given what you have stated.

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RE: LAN Plans To Order 24 Aircraft, Incl. 15 A32S.

Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:00 pm

I wonder if LAN wants the 762LRF? Or they could be adding A332Fs, which can fly farther then a 763F when only loaded to a 763F's payload.
 
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RE: LAN Plans To Order 24 Aircraft, Incl. 15 A32S.

Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:06 pm

The 762SF and the project of the A332F are not considered for cargo planes. The fleet of will be formed by two family: Short-medium haul Airbus A320 family
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RE: LAN Plans To Order 24 Aircraft, Incl. 15 A32S.

Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:11 pm

So 777F? You noted the freighter could be "the launch customer for the model in LA" so that just leaves the 777F or 748F if it's Boeing.
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:02 am

A 777 in LAN colors would be great!

By the way RJ_Delta, since you seem to have some inside knowledge, do you have any idea how many of the 767s have been refitted with Premium Business at this point? I've been unable to find this info elsewhere. I flew two flights on it last week and thought it was an excellent product.
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:54 am

The announcement has been made.

2 777-200LRF (with options for 2 more)
6 767-300/ER (with options for immediate conversion to 6 787-8)
6 A340-300 (2 ex-AC + 2 stand-by Airbus order + 2 options converted to orders) --- 2 will go to 4M and another 2 to LP.
15 A32S.

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RE: LAN Plans To Order 24 Aircraft, Incl. 15 A32S.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:04 am

PLEASE tell me there's additional A318 orders.

Those A318's sure look good in LA livery especially with those PW's.

Anyways great news.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 15):
6 A340-300 (2 ex-AC + 2 stand-by Airbus order + 2 options converted to orders) --- 2 will go to 4M and another 2 to LP.

So does this mean the A343 got 4 new orders from LA or am I mistaken?

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Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:07 am

Quoting KL808 (Reply 16):
So does this mean the A343 got 4 new orders from LA or am I mistaken?

No, 2 new orders only. LAN put 2 A340-300 orders on stand-by after receiving it's 4th A340. They will now take those two orders out of stand-by and convert 2 options they had to effective orders.

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Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:11 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 17):
They will now take those two orders out of stand-by and convert 2 options they had to effective orders.

Stand by... do you mean deferment? If so, they deferred delivery of 2 A343 and now will take delivery of the deferred aircraft. Have these 2 deferred aircraft been built already? If so where are they, or who is operating them?

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Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:16 am

According with the Information LAN Airlines has ordered 2 Boeing 777-200LRF +2 options (will be the launch customer in LA for the 777-200LRF), 6 767-300ER with options to change into 787 order, 6 A340-300 to increase the capacity to Europe and Oceania, the reason because LAN will order more A340 is because they can't wait for ever the certification of the ETOPS 207 and 330 min. and they need now increase the capacity from Chile, Argentina and Peru. Also 15 planes of the A320 family has ordered for delivery after 2008, to increase the regional routes in Chile, Perú and Argentina.
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:19 am

Quoting KL808 (Reply 18):
Stand by... do you mean deferment? If so, they deferred delivery of 2 A343 and now will take delivery of the deferred aircraft. Have these 2 deferred aircraft been built already? If so where are they, or who is operating them?

No, I mean stand-by, indefinite postponement for the 2 airplanes. The airframes have not been built yet.

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Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:27 am

And what about a 346 order , is it possible ??
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Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:47 am

This is great for 767 program and A340 too since there seem to be called die'g breeds. Is there a press release yet?
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RE: LAN Plans To Order 24 Aircraft, Incl. 15 A32S.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:57 am

So, I'll ask again... is this the end of the B732's in the LA fleet? If so, when will the last one be phased out? 2011?
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Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:05 am

Congrats on new 777F customer. Always glad to see a new 777 customer.

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Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:21 am

Quoting SABE (Reply 23):
So, I'll ask again... is this the end of the B732's in the LA fleet? If so, when will the last one be phased out? 2011?

All Boeing 737-200 wil be retired in 2008. The Boeing 737-200Adv (passenger) wil be retired by the end of this year and the unique 737-200F will be retired in 2008.
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:37 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 15):
The announcement has been made.

2 777-200LRF (with options for 2 more)
6 767-300/ER (with options for immediate conversion to 6 787-8)
6 A340-300 (2 ex-AC + 2 stand-by Airbus order + 2 options converted to orders) --- 2 will go to 4M and another 2 to LP.
15 A32S.

Thanks for the details MD11junkie and it's good to see my informed opinion was wrong  Wink

Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 25):
All Boeing 737-200 wil be retired in 2008. The Boeing 737-200Adv (passenger) wil be retired by the end of this year and the unique 737-200F will be retired in 2008.

RJ_Delta thank you too for your informed and precise updates which I very much appreciate. As an aside the 4 763Fs which I thought were for LAN were for JAL.

About the A343s if 2 are coming from AC then we have 2 new orders + Options for the model. AC have 8 (?) available but LAN have only taken 2.

It will be sad to see the end of service of the 737-200F though very pleasing to see that LAN have gone with the 777F of which I feel they will build the fleet of that variant over time.

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Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:46 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 15):
6 767-300/ER (with options for immediate conversion to 6 787-8)



Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 5):
Well Boeing is listing 6-8 UFO 767's

I'm guessing they are the UFOs.
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Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:52 am

Wow, a LAN 772F is going to look hot!

what year are they expecting delivery?
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:55 am

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 27):
I'm guessing they are the UFOs.

No, they are not.

Rather an interesting announcement, IMO.

- 6 767-300ER's, can be converted to 787's = why not just order 787's now and secure firm delivery spots? Those Aeroflot spots are going to go very quickly, with AZAL already taking 3. . .
- 2 777-200F's = definitely a nice move by LAN, and would expect those options to be converted and probably a few more added down the road the way LAN Cargo is growing. OTOH, it leads one to ask. . .
- 2 A340-300's, + reconfirmed 2 already on order, + 2 from AC = like the 767/787 segment, I'm curious about this one. I can understand buying the used frames, and even finally bringing in the backordered aircraft that had been deferred several times. However, why order more when you are going to be taking 787's down the road? Or, why not take 777's if you are already going to introduce the type into your fleet?
- 15 A320's = very logical and very good choice to standardize your fleet.


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Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:59 am

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 29):
No, they are not.

In addition to the 6 UFOs! Very interesting indeed.

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 29):
2 A340-300's, + reconfirmed 2 already on order, + 2 from AC =

So two new orders?

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 29):
However, why order more when you are going to be taking 787's down the road?

ETOPS issues?
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Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:06 am

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 30):
ETOPS issues?

Not with the airline. LA has a surperb record flying their 767's. As already mentioned above, I suppose they could be hedging their bets on the respective authorities approving LROPS or 330 ETOPS. . .


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Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:11 am

Finally 777s in LA colors, Im sure we ll see pax birds soon! Great fleet announcement, to bad 340 keep coming though!

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RE: LAN Plans To Order 24 Aircraft, Incl. 15 A32S.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:16 am

Nice about the A340, nice also the very expensive 777LRF (but is it worth to operate just two aircraft of a type?)


Otherwise: With all those late built 767s LAN will find themselves left with a rather oldfashioned middle-size-subfleet in 5 years when all the competition has flashy 787s!
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:19 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 15):
The announcement has been made.

2 777-200LRF (with options for 2 more)
6 767-300/ER (with options for immediate conversion to 6 787-8)
6 A340-300 (2 ex-AC + 2 stand-by Airbus order + 2 options converted to orders) --- 2 will go to 4M and another 2 to LP.
15 A32S.

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Thanks for that most interesting update. Could you please provide some link to this information. If not, when will it formally be announced?
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:19 am

Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 19):
the reason because LAN will order more A340 is because they can't wait for ever the certification of the ETOPS 207 and 330 min.

That's right ...you've already said: they can't wait for ever to a regulation which, currently, is a fantasy.

Regulations are made to be complied with.

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 31):
Not with the airline.

You're wrong!  irked  It seems you don't know LAN flies AKL-SCL non-stop ...we are talking about LAN and the Southern Pacific route where a 180' ETOPS certification is not enough for flying that non-stop route.

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 31):
LA has a surperb record flying their 767's

Just within the Americas ...so what?

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 31):
I suppose they could be hedging their bets on the respective authorities approving LROPS or 330 ETOPS. . .

No.

Otherwise I don't think LAN had purchased more A340's (If finally this news is confirmed)
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Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:15 am

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 29):
- 6 767-300ER's, can be converted to 787's = why not just order 787's now and secure firm delivery spots? Those Aeroflot spots are going to go very quickly, with AZAL already taking 3. . .

They perhaps wanted to get firm orders for needed expansion in the near future. And by doing so maybe they get preference for opened up 787 slots or slots created by increasing manufacturing capacity.
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Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:30 am

Lan could also in a mid-term buy a few 777's replacing the oldest 767's for flying inside the Americas and sometimes even to fly Europe ...but the ETOPS subject and the non-stop route to Oz is an entire issue. It forces LAN to continue with the A-340 fleet.
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Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:15 am

Quoting SABE (Reply 23):
So, I'll ask again... is this the end of the B732's in the LA fleet? If so, when will the last one be phased out? 2011?

2008 will be the date! I was told there even is a government bill about "noisy aircrafts" taking into affect!

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Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:22 am

WOW! I can't wait to see the 777 with LAN colors.. hot! Hopefully LAN gets those 787s..
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:29 am

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 34):
Thanks for that most interesting update. Could you please provide some link to this information. If not, when will it formally be announced?

It was announced at a cocktail party at LAN's corporate building at SCL.

LAN's press release should come out some time tomorrow.

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 35):
Just within the Americas ...so what?

And to Europe. LAN Ecuador (XL) flies GYE-MAD with 767-300/ER. LP will start LIM-MAD with the same aircraft time soon.

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 37):
Lan could also in a mid-term buy a few 777's

The cost just wouldn't cut it. After the 772LRFs are delivered in 2009 - then it MIGHT happen as they have already the maintenance experience and pilot training set up.

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 29):
- 6 767-300ER's, can be converted to 787's = why not just order 787's now and secure firm delivery spots? Those Aeroflot spots are going to go very quickly, with AZAL already taking 3. . .

Because LAN is being very cautious about the 787. This is a huge leap in technology and LAN wants to see the results in other airlines first, before ordering it. That's why they are options.

ETOPS are the reason why LAN didn't order the 777 already. They are waiting for ETOPS 330 to be approved.

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 28):
what year are they expecting delivery?

2009.

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 26):
About the A343s if 2 are coming from AC then we have 2 new orders + Options for the model. AC have 8 (?) available but LAN have only taken 2.

2 from the previous order, 2 options converted into a new order and 2 ex-AC - which their contracts were already signed.

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Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:53 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 40):
And to Europe. LAN Ecuador (XL) flies GYE-MAD with 767-300/ER.

Yes, correct, but to fly GYE-MAD with 180' ETOPS is enough. And I was talked neither about XL nor LP, but LA.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 40):
They are waiting for ETOPS 330 to be approved.

They will be waiting indefinitely   ...or they could wait, at least, too much time.

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Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:00 pm

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 41):
Yes, correct, but to fly GYE-MAD with 180' ETOPS is enough. And I was talked neither about XL nor LP, but LA.

It's all the same. Chilean registered and maintained airplanes, whether they are flying an LA, LP or XL flight - it just doesn't make a difference.

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 41):
They will be waiting indefinitely ...or they could wait, at least, too much time.

And that's the reason why we see 6 A340-300s join the fleet. 4 A340-300E and 2 A340-300X. I'm guessing LAN Chile will get the 4 A340-300E (while dropping 2 A340-300X) as they are in dire need of better performance for MAD and AKL/SYD because of the weather at SCL. The remaining A340-300X will go to LP and 4M.

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RE: LAN Plans To Order 24 Aircraft, Incl. 15 A32S.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:00 pm

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 34):
Thanks for that most interesting update. Could you please provide some link to this information. If not, when will it formally be announced?

The announcment has been made today at midday. However the Public Relations Department of LAN Holding must made the official announcement, after that Airbus and Boeing can publish the new.launch a press release. That's the policy.

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 26):
About the A343s if 2 are coming from AC then we have 2 new orders + Options for the model. AC have 8 (?) available but LAN have only taken 2

The A340 is formed by 2 second hand leased from Air Canada, plus 2 A343 delayed from the 1998 order, and 2 new aircraft taken from the options.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 40):
LP will start LIM-MAD with the same aircraft time soon.

LAN Peru start non stop servive by the end of April from Lima to Madrid using a 767-300ER until LAN Airlines could move 2 A340 for LAN Perú operations.

The Boeing 777-200LRF will be use in routes from Santiago to Miami-Los Angeles, Santiago to Europe (Frankfurt and Amsterdam), Miami-Europe (Amsterdam-Frankfurt and maybe Moscow SVO), and Miami-Los Angeles-Shanghai Pudong.
 
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RE: LAN Plans To Order 24 Aircraft, Incl. 15 A32S.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:11 pm

Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 43):
The announcment has been made today at midday. However the Public Relations Department of LAN Holding must made the official announcement, after that Airbus and Boeing can publish the new.launch a press release. That's the policy.

If this is the case do we assume that will be when we find out what delivery schedule for the 787s will be should they convert the 767s? Early production slots are hard to come by and as mentioned by another member perhaps Aeroflots or El-Als lost 2010 production slots played a key role in Boeing gaining such an order.

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RE: LAN Plans To Order 24 Aircraft, Incl. 15 A32S.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:21 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 44):
If this is the case do we assume that will be when we find out what delivery schedule for the 787s will be should they convert the 767s? Early production slots are hard to come by and as mentioned by another member perhaps Aeroflots or El-Als lost 2010 production slots played a key role in Boeing gaining such an order.

You're right. The slots for the 787 productions are now for 2013 if the company order now the airplane. If this is the case LAN i think tht could make a reservation of slot with the order of 767 (options to converted into 787). Also between 2008 and 2013 has five years to study the result of operations in others carriers of the 787 to take a decission.

But anyway LAN I think in the near future will confirm the options for the 787.
 
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RE: LAN Plans To Order 24 Aircraft, Incl. 15 A32S.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:32 pm

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 35):
You're wrong! It seems you don't know LAN flies AKL-SCL non-stop

Thank you for your very polite and informative response. Now, if you had actually understood what was written, you'd have noticed that the question was concerning whether LA had issues with ETOPS approval, not what those regulations are. I'm well aware that LA flies SA-Australasia. It's one of the only reasons they continue to fly the A340.

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 35):
That's right ...you've already said: they can't wait for ever to a regulation which, currently, is a fantasy.

It seems you don't know that ETOPS 207 is already approved by the FAA, and has been in use by certified carriers for some time already. OTOH, you're right about ETOPS 330. The current expectation is that will be unnecessary, as LROPS will go ahead instead, rightfully forcing all aircraft to comply to the same safety standards.

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 35):
Just within the Americas ...so what?

It seems you also don't know that as long as they are following ETOPS standards, it makes no difference where they actually fly them. It could be entirely over land, not needing anything more that ETOPS 60. However, if they are following ETOPS requirements and prove they can maintain the reliability standards (which they have done, hence my comment), they can apply and be approved for the highest ETOPS allowances currently set (207).

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 37):
Lan could also in a mid-term buy a few 777's replacing the oldest 767's

LA has often looked at buying 777's to replace the A340 fleet (once going so far as asking Boeing to buy back the A340's a la SQ). However, as is obvious, they have yet to actually go forward with that plan.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 40):
The cost just wouldn't cut it.

The same reason LA has yet to buy the 777. They would still have to maintain a minimum fleet of A340's for the trans-Pac flights, thus the cost of introducing the 777 is nearly prohibitive.


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RE: LAN Plans To Order 24 Aircraft, Incl. 15 A32S.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:32 pm

Good week for GE. (Whoopee...)

777s for LAN
767s for LAN
A340s for LAN
787s for First Choice
(leased) 777s for Emirates

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RE: LAN Plans To Order 24 Aircraft, Incl. 15 A32S.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:00 pm

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 46):
I'm well aware that LA flies SA-Australasia.

I am delighted about it.

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 46):
ETOPS 207 is already approved by the FAA

Approved by the U.S. FAA and only for US carriers. Don't forget that.

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 46):
they can apply and be approved for the highest ETOPS allowances currently set (207).

Is LAN an US carrier? i don't think so.

By the way, even the ETOPS-207' is not enough to cover the AKL-SCL route.

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 46):
(once going so far as asking Boeing to buy back the A340's a la SQ)

Interesting info, but ...do you have a link towards that news? Or it is just a rumor?
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RE: LAN Plans To Order 24 Aircraft, Incl. 15 A32S.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:15 pm

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 46):
It seems you don't know that ETOPS 207 is already approved by the FAA, and has been in use by certified carriers for some time already.

Only by limited airlines and on a route-by-route basis, and only over the North Pacific.

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