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4 More 787s For First Choice.

Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:55 pm

Atleast according to luchtvaartnieuws.nl. This order would bring the number of 787s on order by First Choice to 12. It is not clear if this is a new order or if these 4 aircraft were previously booked as unidentified.

Interesting detail. First Choice (a British charter company) is with 12 787s on order, currently, Europe's biggest customer.

Link in Dutch, nederlands  Wink

http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?id=19086
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RE: 4 More 787s For First Choice.

Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:04 pm

What's up with the small 787 orders lately?....ala the old A350! Haven't seen a large order on this baby for a while. EIther way, good for Boeing and First Choice. Hopefully it won't be long now before we see a 'big' 787 order from Europe.
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RE: 4 More 787s For First Choice.

Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:09 pm

It 's a shame no major European carrier has ordered the 787 yet!
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RE: 4 More 787s For First Choice.

Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:11 pm

Here is a link in English

Separately the company announced today that it would exercise the remainder of its option over Boeing 787 aircraft. The company will add four more of the mid-sized, long-distance planes to its order. It now has 12 planes on order, with the first two due for delivery in 2009. The new planes will allow the company to fly 10,000 miles non-stop and could be used to fly to Asia.

[END - Fair use excerpt http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...ectors/leisure/article1482019.ece]

Correct Manni, it does take their orders to 12 and given the demand for the model it appears that they need to exercise their options to ensure they secure delivery. IIRC these 4 frames are the last options that First Choice held on the model. The question remains, are these new orders or already accounted for as UFO.

Perhaps Crosswind could clarify for us?

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RE: 4 More 787s For First Choice.

Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:12 pm

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 1):
What's up with the small 787 orders lately?....ala the old A350! Haven't seen a large order on this baby for a while.

Maybe we're so close to first flight / flight testing that any carrier about to place a big order are holding back to see how the flight testing pans out?

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RE: 4 More 787s For First Choice.

Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:14 pm

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 1):
What's up with the small 787 orders lately?

The plane is closing in on first flight, so the large orders are probably waiting to see how she does, plus Airbus is still not ready to offer stable figures for the A350XWB so it makes it difficult for airlines to accurately audit their RFPs.

So we may be seeing option-holders exercising them to secure delivery slots which could be seen as a sign of their confidence in whatever information Boeing is providing them.
 
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RE: 4 More 787s For First Choice.

Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:35 pm

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 1):
What's up with the small 787 orders lately?

There's nothing wrong with small orders, that's if you get plenty of them. They are likely to be more profitable ( on a per airplane basis) then those orders of 30 and 50 aircraft we've seen.

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 3):
The question remains, are these new orders or already accounted for as UFO.

Talking about unidentified 787 orders, there's still 32 unidentified orders for 787s on Boeing's orderbook. Some of them have been on there since july!
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RE: 4 More 787s For First Choice.

Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:45 pm

likely its that options are needing to be taken or slots lost. So lots of airlines with early option slots are being told that they have to take them and take them now because other airlines are willing to put cash on the barrel for the slots with a firm order. Since most want all the 787 they can get, its a no brainer to take up all the early frames you can before you lose the slots.
 
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RE: 4 More 787s For First Choice.

Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:54 pm

Quoting SNATH (Reply 4):
that options



Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
that options

Talk of great minds thinking alike.  biggrin 

Quoting Manni (Reply 6):
There's nothing wrong with small orders, that's if you get plenty of them. They are likely to be more profitable ( on a per airplane basis) then those orders of 30 and 50 aircraft we've seen.

You're absolutely right.
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RE: 4 More 787s For First Choice.

Wed Mar 07, 2007 11:01 pm

Quoting LY777 (Reply 2):
It 's a shame no major European carrier has ordered the 787 yet!

I believe LH will place an order soon.
The 787 already has won the internal race between the A350 once and LH gave Airbus time to redesign the aircraft.
Now we have March and I expect an order either in April or May if LH does not postpond their decision again (but could they afford that with BA also ordering soon and delivery slots running away).
Even if they decide in favor for the A350 I can see them ordering the 787 just for the same reason as they did order the 737-400 back then. They ordered the 737-400 although having commited to the A320 as well. LH was just very sceptical if Airbus could deliver as promised so with the delivery date of the A350 being uncertain I can see them ordering the 787 as well.
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RE: 4 More 787s For First Choice.

Wed Mar 07, 2007 11:55 pm

Quoting LY777 (Reply 2):
It 's a shame no major European carrier has ordered the 787 yet!

Don't speak so soon  Wink
 
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RE: 4 More 787s For First Choice.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:20 am

Ok so they exercised options... Very nice!

So are they going to use these for expansion or to replace some of their aging 767-300ER's?

Eitherway good news for DP and Boeing.

Bloomberg is now reporting it. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a21ji01ZXm5Y

[Edited 2007-03-07 16:27:49]
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RE: 4 More 787s For First Choice.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:06 am

Quoting LY777 (Reply 2):
It 's a shame no major European carrier has ordered the 787 yet!

Might not be the biggest, but LOT has 8 on the books I believe?
 
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RE: 4 More 787s For First Choice.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:22 am

Quoting LHRGregSE4 (Reply 12):
Might not be the biggest, but LOT has 8 on the books I believe?

LOT Polish Airlines Poland Europe 787-8 RR 08-Sep-2005 7

+ the (1) they finalized 19th Feb. 07'

Here is the official Boeing statement on DP. http://www.boeing.com/commercial/news/2007/q1/070307a_nr.html
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RE: 4 More 787s For First Choice.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:56 am

With delivery slots sold out for the next few years I'm not surprised to see airlines hanging back and delaying orders until a) the 787 flies or b) Airbus gets its act together with the A350 or c) both. 2012 is a long way away and many things can change between now and then.
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RE: 4 More 787s For First Choice.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:08 am

More good news for the 787! Has it reached 500 orders yet?
 
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RE: 4 More 787s For First Choice.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:21 am

Quoting Art (Reply 15):
Has it reached 500 orders yet?

(448) firm as of 06' Dec. Add the (20) firm this year... (468) firm orders!  Smile
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RE: 4 More 787s For First Choice.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:34 am

Quoting Columba (Reply 9):
Quoting LY777 (Reply 2):
It 's a shame no major European carrier has ordered the 787 yet!


I believe LH will place an order soon.

I don't. One way or another this will be a win for the A350-XWB. I think you can almost bank on that.
 
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RE: 4 More 787s For First Choice.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:13 am

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 17):
I don't. One way or another this will be a win for the A350-XWB. I think you can almost bank on that.

Right and most did not say that about the 20/20 748i they bought. A350XWB is not even a firm design yet,
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RE: 4 More 787s For First Choice.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:20 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 18):
Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 17):
I don't. One way or another this will be a win for the A350-XWB. I think you can almost bank on that.

Right and most did not say that about the 20/20 748i they bought. A350XWB is not even a firm design yet,

Good, I'm happy to wait and be proven right Wink
 
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RE: 4 More 787s For First Choice.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:25 am

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 19):
Good, I'm happy to wait and be proven right Wink

Hope you can wait 7-8yrs to see that...
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RE: 4 More 787s For First Choice.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:16 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 20):
Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 19):
Good, I'm happy to wait and be proven right Wink

Hope you can wait 7-8yrs to see that...

Don't think I'll be waiting 7-8 yrs for the order, which is what I was referring to. That will be announced this year or next. And I think Airbus desperately needs LH on the A350 program.
 
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RE: 4 More 787s For First Choice.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:25 pm

Quoting Manni (Thread starter):
It is not clear if this is a new order or if these 4 aircraft were previously booked as unidentified.

And it is clear now. According to the press release from Boeing they are indeed orders previously booked as unidentified.
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