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Potential NW 787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:13 am

So NW is eventually going to get their 787's and im wondering what routes you guys think they will use these planes for.

here are my pics

DTW - ICN
DTW - BEJ or shanghai (if approval given)
DTW-MNL
DTW-HNL
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:11 pm

DTW-BEY
DTW-DXB
DTW-HKG
LAX-HKG
LAX-MNL
MSP-CDG
MEM-LGW(LHR)Should the OS treaty be ratified
SEA-LGW(LHR) " " " " " "
SFO-PVG
HNL-MNL
BOS-BOM
SEA-BLR
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:16 pm

Quoting Detroitflyer (Thread starter):
DTW - BEJ or shanghai (if approval given)

Beijing's code is PEK, standing for its former name, Peking.

NW stated that its first 787 route will be DTW-JFK-NRT-JFK-DTW in 2008.

Though they have not announced anything further yet, I predict more point to points in Europe and Asia. NW is the only airline today to still have a strict hub based route structure. This concept died off in the 80s, but NW held on to it, just like the DC-9s. (aren't people sick of always having to go through DTW, MSP, AMS, and NRT?)

18 aircraft ~ 9 daily long-haul routes

JFK-NRT
LAX-HKG
LAX-PVG
SFO-HKG
SFO-PVG
LAX-AMS
LAX-FRA
SFO-AMS
SFO-FRA
 
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:20 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 2):
NW is the only airline today to still have a strict hub based route structure. This concept died off in the 80s, but NW held on to it, just like the DC-9s.

If anything, Continental's route structure is more hub-based than NW's. I can think of very few, if any, Continental flights outside their hub structure. Northwest at least has Asia service from PDX, SEA, and LAX, and will soon have transatlantic service from Hartford. Plenty of new hubs were created in the 1980s so the concept was far from dying by then.
 
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:22 pm

I am hoping for BOS to NRT
 
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:31 pm

Here's hoping they try and get the 787 scheduled into MSP sooner rather than later.
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:37 pm

MEM-NRT
MEM-LGW
MEM-CDG
MEM-GRU
MEM-EZE
MEM-SYD
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:39 pm

SAN-NRT... Which could be done by either NW or NH.
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:12 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 2):
LAX-AMS



Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 2):
SFO-AMS

SFO/LAX-AMS would be tough since KLM already serves it

Quoting JohnJ (Reply 3):
If anything, Continental's route structure is more hub-based than NW's.

Very true. Bit by bit we're getting away from the 3 hub concept, with IND being a focus city, growing little by little. I wish we would do it in the west.
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:19 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 2):
NW is the only airline today to still have a strict hub based route structure.

I'm not familiar with any P2P flying by United...

NS
 
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:58 pm

I will post mine....

JFK-NRT (Already stated by NW)
BOS-BOM (
MSP-NGO (I want this one...it was rumored that NW might turn it into a mini-hub like KIX was in the 1990s)
DTW-HKG (But this could be a 744)
SEA-MNL (US-Manila non-stop first. But as JetJack says...HNL-MNL might do better)
MEM-NRT (Hub-Hub)
DTW-ICN (Skyteam-Skyteam)
SEA-BOM (IT)
SEA-SYD (heck they have to go back someday)


If NW gets a non-stop option to China it will be with a 744. They will need the capacity. Even HKG could be a 744 it all depends on if ORD-HKG increases with Oasis or CX/AA.

Quoting San747 (Reply 7):
SAN-NRT... Which could be done by either NW or NH.

IMO NH has a better shot than NW. They will have more room to move around in Japan than NW.
Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
 
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:04 pm

Quoting JohnJ (Reply 3):
If anything, Continental's route structure is more hub-based than NW's. I can think of very few, if any, Continental flights outside their hub structure. Northwest at least has Asia service from PDX, SEA, and LAX, and will soon have transatlantic service from Hartford. Plenty of new hubs were created in the 1980s so the concept was far from dying by then.



Quoting Gigneil (Reply 9):
I'm not familiar with any P2P flying by United...

What I meant was NW channeling ALL its Asian traffic through NRT, regardless of what origin or destination, and NW channeling most of its European traffic through AMS, regardless of origin or destination. That is a kind of system that doesn't work well now days, and its a system that no other airline practices.
 
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:50 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 2):
NW stated that its first 787 route will be DTW-JFK-NRT-JFK-DTW in 2008.

dont disagree with what you are saying, but how does this routing even make sense??? you first fly from detroit eastwards to JFK, then you fly westwards over detroit and into NRT.??? Would'nt it make much more sense to see detroit be the middle man here???

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 6):
MEM-GRU
MEM-EZE
MEM-SYD

you have honestly gotta be kiddin right???
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:03 pm

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 12):
dont disagree with what you are saying, but how does this routing even make sense??? you first fly from detroit eastwards to JFK, then you fly westwards over detroit and into NRT.??? Would'nt it make much more sense to see detroit be the middle man here???

It all part of NorthWest's silly route structure, which I have been criticizing. People who want to go from USA to Asia on NW have to go on one of the following: LAX-NRT-Asia, SFO-NRT-Asia, PDX-NRT-Asia, SEA-NRT-Asia, MSP-NRT-Asia, or DTW-NRT-Asia. They want to restart JFK-NRT-Asia. So, in order to put the aircraft physically in JFK, they need to fly it in from one of their hubs. So, DTW-JFK serves as simply a domestic flight, carrying domestic passengers. Then, the airlines will use the same aircraft to do the JFK-NRT.
 
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:09 pm

Where is MSP HKG? this is a natural routing to support Target and Best Buy and Polaroid Petters Group etc all of which have their HQ in MSP, to serve their purchasing depts who love HK as a hub for their forays to visit their China vendors.

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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:44 pm

Isn't the 787 for SUPER long thin routes? Couldn't the A330s serve LAX-AMS/FRA (don't even know why FRA is in there but for sake of argument) DTW-HNL, MEM-NRT, MEM-LGW as some of you have suggested? Don't get what's special for the 787 if they are put on those routes.
 
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:52 pm

Quoting Deltaflyertoo (Reply 15):
Isn't the 787 for SUPER long thin routes? Couldn't the A330s serve LAX-AMS/FRA (don't even know why FRA is in there but for sake of argument) DTW-HNL, MEM-NRT, MEM-LGW as some of you have suggested? Don't get what's special for the 787 if they are put on those routes.

Yes, the 787 is marketed for long, thin routes by Boeing. However, That doesn't mean it has to fly long thin routes all the time. People use 777-200ERs on 2 hour flights. Nothing wrong.

NW simply wanted a plane that could seat ~220-230 people. So, they ordered the 787. They could use the 220-230 seater anywhere in their system.
 
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:03 pm

I could honestly see a DTW-Middle Eastern destination since only RJ is currently the only airline that has service directly to the Middle East, even if it is 2 or 3 times per week. Doesnt detroit have one of the largest Arab populations in the US?
 
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:26 pm

Quoting Twolz2rn (Reply 17):

Agreed. I as well could see them enter the DTW-MiddleEast market.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 2):

There is an aweful lot of SFO servive on your list. United has SFO well covered and I think NW would have a lot of trouble putting people on these flight. UA has feed from some +30 cities to feed 9-10 Asia flights daily. SFO will not be needed by NW when they can build their Int'l network from MSP/DTW. Specially MSP which lacks Int'l service now, using a 787 for long thin markets from MSP is perfect.

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 6):

Dreamer, huh? Would be sweet but MEM-NRT is the only onw with potential IMHO.

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 12):

KaiTak is correct. NW did say this. It makes sense. Remember its not like positioning a 744 DTW-JFK. Its a smaller A/C. If timed right it could go with a decent load I would think, but allow for easy A/C rotation thru DTW for mx.

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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:59 pm

Quoting AS739X (Reply 18):
There is an aweful lot of SFO servive on your list. United has SFO well covered and I think NW would have a lot of trouble putting people on these flight. UA has feed from some +30 cities to feed 9-10 Asia flights daily. SFO will not be needed by NW when they can build their Int'l network from MSP/DTW. Specially MSP which lacks Int'l service now, using a 787 for long thin markets from MSP is perfect.

 yes 


i agree. but i think over time, as routes develop durring the use of the 787, SFO could prove profitable on "long thin routes" direct to other parts of the world that have grown to be niche foreign markets for NW....HELLOW SFO-BOM....... wink 
 
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:06 pm

Quoting Phishphan70 (Reply 19):



Agreed, but I dont know if NW is the one to do it. They don't seem to concerned with SFO. If they were to build up some presence, then I could see it. But by the time they got to SFO-BOM, others will be doing it most likely.



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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:16 pm

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 6):
MEM-NRT
MEM-LGW
MEM-CDG
MEM-GRU
MEM-EZE
MEM-SYD

seriously ??? I mean... seriously ??? where do you figure that from ??...
I really cant figure how you can come to that... if anything I thought NW was moving away from Memphis ??...

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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:50 pm

Quoting AS739X (Reply 18):
There is an aweful lot of SFO servive on your list. United has SFO well covered and I think NW would have a lot of trouble putting people on these flight. UA has feed from some +30 cities to feed 9-10 Asia flights daily. SFO will not be needed by NW when they can build their Int'l network from MSP/DTW. Specially MSP which lacks Int'l service now, using a 787 for long thin markets from MSP is perfect.

So you recommend NW stick to only DTW and MSP for all their lives? That's kind of boring I think  Wink The 787 would allow them to look at other cities in he U.S. They could open routes that other U.S. carriers don't do. (LAX-HKG for example, or LAX-MNL)

True they don't have domestic feed from airport besides DTW and MSP, but as sated before, they already do international flights from LAX, SFO, PXD, SEA, BOS, and a couple more I think. So, code shares on domestic routes with SkyTeam members could be done.

By the way, They have a SFO-NRT flight as of now. I think it is a A330.
 
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:10 pm

2008 will be an exciting time at DTW. The arrival of the new North Terminal along with the 787. Hopefully I can get a WorldPerks ticket onboard one no matter where the destination is.
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:25 pm

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 1):
LAX-MNL



Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 1):
HNL-MNL



Quoting Centrair (Reply 10):
SEA-MNL (US-Manila non-stop first. But as JetJack says...HNL-MNL might do better)

Very interesting. Although MNL makes money for NW (according to previous A.net threads), I can't see these routes on the top 10 priority list for NWA. Is the profitability of the existing MNL routes that high?
 
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:35 pm

Here are my guesses:
MSP-CDG (or A330)
MSP-KIX
MSP-HKG
MSP-MNL
MSP-DUB
MSP-SYD
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:02 pm

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San Francisco
Minneapolis
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:14 pm

NW already has MSP-NRT-MSP service. I forgot to add MSP-FRA.
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Fri Mar 09, 2007 1:02 am

A lot of these are so far out in left field its rediculous. Plus a lot of the others, if started would be flown with the A330. Remember that the A330-200 seats around 240, with the major differentiator between than and the 787 is the range. As 787's may replace some A330-200 flying in the Pacific, this may allow for some of these other European routes out of DTW/MSP to be flown with A330 equipment.

Btw, NW isn't moving away from MEM, but I would be extremely surprised to see a 787 make an appearance there. There are a lot other more viable markets out there, with MEM's low O&D and most major markets being able to connect through DTW & MSP makes all but MEM-AMS and possibly MEM-CDG which have significant amount of Skyteam connections available on both ends.

With AMS, remember that NW & KLM operate as one across the Atlantic. Per their alliance, they coordinate their flight schedules into AMS, and split the routes accordingly. NW operates all AMS flights from their hubs plus a few others to the point where they share about 50/50 the number of flights. NW won't start service from any existing KLM market (LAX-AMS) without coordination.

List of potential new routes by aircraft type, considering the 787's will allow NW to reallocate its fleet as they can optimize between the A330-200/300, 787, and 747-400, plus retire the last of the pax 747-200's.


757 Trans-Atlantic:
DTW-LGW additional seasonal flight - likely
PHL-AMS - possible
DTW-SNN/DUB - questionable

A330:
DTW-HNL - very likely
MSP-CDG - very likely
MEM-CDG - possible
SEA-KIX - possible
SEA-NGO - very doubtful
SEA-NRT - (second daily flight) - doubtful
MEM-LGW - very doubtful

747-400:
DTW-PEK (when/if get slots)
MSP-NRT (double daily - everyday, when/if LAX-NRT goes 787)
NRT-HNL (replacing the 747-200 operating one of the frequencies)
NRT-GUM (replacing the 747-200)
NRT-SPN (replacing the 747-200)

787:
JFK-NRT
LAX-NRT (replacing the 747-400)
DTW-India
NRT-India (allowing for connections from West Coast gateways)
DTW-HKG
DTW-ICN
DTW-DXB
MSP-NGO
MSP-HKG


Don't look for anything out of SFO - that United's turf.
LAX could go either way, but only after DTW, MSP, & SEA
SEA - possible, but a lot of this can be operated with an A330-200 (in range and A330 pilot base)
No 787's to Europe - all in range of the A330. 787's are for Asia/Middle East
Very unlikely that NW would return to Australia - not going to happen
Nothing new to new FRA. DTW-FRA is it based on automotive traffic and NW defending its turf against LH.
787's won't go to HNL
Limited 787 presense at MSP, at least initially.
 
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Fri Mar 09, 2007 1:05 am

Will the 787 replace both the 747-200 and A330s? or will it mostly add new routes?
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Fri Mar 09, 2007 1:12 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 2):
NW is the only airline today to still have a strict hub based route structure. This concept died off in the 80s, but NW held on to it, just like the DC-9s. (aren't people sick of always having to go through DTW, MSP, AMS, and NRT?)

I'd rather go through DTW than JFK or LAX. At least my transfer flight would be in the same building and in a much nicer, newer terminal.

I guess Northwest International flights out of SEA, BOS, and soon to be Hartford aren't enough right? Is Continental flying any international service out of airports other than IAH or EWR (not counting the Gulfstream flights out of MIA to the Bahamas either).

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 2):
18 aircraft ~ 9 daily long-haul routes

JFK-NRT
LAX-HKG
LAX-PVG
SFO-HKG
SFO-PVG
LAX-AMS
LAX-FRA
SFO-AMS
SFO-FRA

So you think that people only fly to 3 coastal cities? SFO-HKG? Isn't United and Cathay already flying that route? What about the majority of America that needs to get inland a little bit?
 
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Fri Mar 09, 2007 1:16 am

How about .... DTW - TLV
 
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Fri Mar 09, 2007 1:22 am

SEA-HKG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, with UA dropping the NRT-HKG route, SEA-HKG is wide open. The 787 is the perfect plane for this route.
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Fri Mar 09, 2007 1:51 am

Quoting Twolz2rn (Reply 17):
Doesnt detroit have one of the largest Arab populations in the US?

yes

Quoting DTW757 (Reply 23):
2008 will be an exciting time at DTW. The arrival of the new North Terminal along with the 787. Hopefully I can get a WorldPerks ticket onboard one no matter where the destination is.

I agree and I am looking forward to it.
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:04 am

Quoting Deltaflyertoo (Reply 15):
Isn't the 787 for SUPER long thin routes?



Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 16):
Yes, the 787 is marketed for long, thin routes by Boeing. However, That doesn't mean it has to fly long thin routes all the time.

Yep when the first regional jets came out, nobody foresaw them flying close to 3 hours either.....
 
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:27 am

Quoting Phishphan70 (Reply 19):
i agree. but i think over time, as routes develop durring the use of the 787, SFO could prove profitable on "long thin routes" direct to other parts of the world that have grown to be niche foreign markets for NW....HELLOW SFO-BOM.......

I'll say it again at the risk of the SFO people telling me I'm nuts, but there is no need for this flight, its PAX load would be identical if it was SJC-BOM the airport fee would be less at SJC, and the majority of the people on such a flight would be O/D Santa Clara County not San Francisco. OK, I better duck now...
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:34 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 2):
NW stated that its first 787 route will be DTW-JFK-NRT-JFK-DTW in 2008.

Cool, there will be a domestic segment with it!!! That will be NW's first widebody domestic service in a while (except hawaii).

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 6):
MEM-NRT
MEM-LGW
MEM-CDG
MEM-GRU
MEM-EZE
MEM-SYD

It would definitely be cool to see some international expansion at MEM. I don't think it will happen, but if it were to happen, the 787 would be the airplane to do it with.

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 21):
eriously ??? I mean... seriously ??? where do you figure that from ??...
I really cant figure how you can come to that... if anything I thought NW was moving away from Memphis ??...

NW isn't really moving away from MEM, but they're not growing there either. Really, they're trying to just maintain their existing service level there. But, I agree with you that international expansion at MEM is unlikely, although it is fun to dream  Smile
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Fri Mar 09, 2007 4:13 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 26):
Seattle
San Francisco
Minneapolis

regarding NRT, all these cities are already offered by NW

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 35):
I'll say it again at the risk of the SFO people telling me I'm nuts, but there is no need for this flight, its PAX load would be identical if it was SJC-BOM the airport fee would be less at SJC, and the majority of the people on such a flight would be O/D Santa Clara County not San Francisco. OK, I better duck now...

odd you'd bring that up, because i live in Palo Alto, right in Santa Clara Co. so your comment hit home! i'd love to see a 787 at SJC, but i doubt it's happening anytime soon. i think durring this "new plane" period, where everyone wants to see and ride on it, i am not sure if any routes will stick for very long for any airline, minus the really "long thin routes" that the plane was designed to do. it's impossible to predict any market 100% accuratly unless you have done it before, and even in that case, it's hardly ever 100%, and this plane has never done it before. as this plane gets a few years under her belt, i think we'll see a lot more action in smaller airports, such as SJC
 
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Fri Mar 09, 2007 4:33 am

Dont think youll ever see DTW-MNL nonstop.

NW needs a real big plane for MNL thanks to low yields and massive VFR baggage and cargo.

NRT-MNL makes sense cuzit gets connection pax from LAX, DTW wouldnt
 
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:20 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 1):
DTW-BEY
DTW-DXB
DTW-HKG
LAX-HKG
LAX-MNL
MSP-CDG
MEM-LGW(LHR)Should the OS treaty be ratified
SEA-LGW(LHR) " " " " " "
SFO-PVG
HNL-MNL
BOS-BOM
SEA-BLR

DTW - HKG is realistic.
DTW-DXB is possible.
LAX-HKG will more than likely stay on the 744
LAX-MNL won't happen for NW.
MSP-CDG will be on A330
MEM-LGW won't happen, and if it did, it'd be on an A332.
SEA-LGW might happen, but again, would be on an A332.
SFO-PVG - if they got China authorization, they would not be using it for SFO. It would be for DTW, and they'd use 744.
HNL-MNL won't.
BOS-BOM will never ever happen.
SEA-BLR - are you out of your mind?

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 6):
MEM-NRT
MEM-LGW
MEM-CDG
MEM-GRU
MEM-EZE
MEM-SYD

Won't see a single one of those... LGW is the closest to reality, and if so, it'd be with an A332.

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 25):
Here are my guesses:
MSP-CDG (or A330)
MSP-KIX
MSP-HKG
MSP-MNL
MSP-DUB
MSP-SYD

MSP-SYD - not in 1,000 years.
MSP-DUB more than likely no again, since they are just opening 757 service from DTW.
MSP-MNL will never happen
MSP-HKG has some potential... i would not expect daily.
MSP-KIX, again, not the most likely... you might sooner see SEA-KIX or LAX-KIX.
MSP-CDG - will happen on A330, I agree.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 28):

787:
JFK-NRT
LAX-NRT (replacing the 747-400)
DTW-India
NRT-India (allowing for connections from West Coast gateways)
DTW-HKG
DTW-ICN
DTW-DXB
MSP-NGO
MSP-HKG

JFK-NRT is a sure thing.
LAX-NRT replacing 744 I don't see happening unless they really need the 744 elsewhere... they could have put A332 on this route if they had really wanted to pull 744... A332 services SFO-NRT which is only 300sm shorter...
DTW-DEL or BOM i could imagine.
I don't think I would imagine NRT-india... it'd NW would much rather feed them into their DTW to india flight to send it out full, and it would still be more effective than transferring in NRT.
DTW-ICN
DTW-DXB I think both of these are likely enough.
MSP-NGO - i think MSP-KIX has more potential.
MSP-HKG I think also has strong potential.
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:51 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 39):
BOS-BOM will never ever happen.

3 years ago, about 20 percent of our BOS-AMS traffic continued on to India according to our year-end financial report. I think it could be a real possibility

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 39):
SEA-BLR - are you out of your mind?

NW34, SEA-AMS continues onto BOM, and with India's growing computer tech industry, a nonstop with 223 seats 2-3 times a week is doable. And with our low labour costs, makes it an attractive option. Maybe not right away, but an Indian destination is worth looking at.

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 39):
LAX-MNL won't happen for NW.


Big Filipino population, and could offer abit of competition to PR

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 39):
HNL-MNL won't.

Just spiff-balling a little
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:15 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 28):
SEA-NRT - (second daily flight) - doubtful

Isn't NW adding a few additional weekend frequencies with the A332. While double daily might not happen 10/11 weeklies particularly during the summer season is very possible.
 
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:39 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 26):
Narita-
Portland
Seattle
San Francisco
Minneapolis

Minneapolis - Yea right, that flight will stay a 744
Seattle - SEA-NRT is not going to be downgraded...

I don't know what the load are like on PDX-NRT though.
 
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:27 am

Quoting Zone1 (Reply 32):
SEA-HKG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree that this would be a great move for NW. With all of the cuts that were implemented in the last few years out of SEA by both UA and NW, there is plenty of room for expansion and this would be a great way for them to capitalize on the abilities of the 787. There is also the added benefit of having a strong codeshare agreement with AS to feed the added capacity and routes.
 
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:55 am

Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 36):
Cool, there will be a domestic segment with it!!! That will be NW's first widebody domestic service in a while (except hawaii).

Really? How do they get the 747s to NRT? For routes like LAX-NRT, isn't it DTW-LAX-NRT? or does NW actually have 747s based in NRT??
 
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:10 am

These are likely to happen:
MSP-FRA (A330)
MSP-CDG (A330)
MSP-HKG
MSP-KIX

Routes I dream would happen:
MSP-DUB (A330)
MSP-SYD
MSP-Milan
MSP-Rome
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:13 am

Quoting JohnJ (Reply 3):
and will soon have transatlantic service from Hartford

Totally off subject, but why are they doing this???
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Baron52ta
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:16 am

Why are there so many saying MEM routes, last I heard NWA is still thinking about pulling out of MEM so why would they even consider using a new aircraft there
 
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:18 am

Quoting Baron52ta (Reply 47):
last I heard NWA is still thinking about pulling out of MEM so why would they even consider using a new aircraft there

Oh lord.....*runs for cover*
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RE: Potential NW 787 Routes

Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:31 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 40):
3 years ago, about 20 percent of our BOS-AMS traffic continued on to India according to our year-end financial report. I think it could be a real possibility

how does that make a bos-india route a possibility. In theory, according to your information, they would only see 20 % of their currenlt BOS-AMS loads on a BOS-INDIA.....if NW starts a USA-INDIA service, i think we all know it will start from dtw....

So, reading through this discussion, i think we can all agree on

JFK-NRT
DTW-ICN
DTW/MSP - HKG
DTW-DXB(not so likelY)
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