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Coyotes Causing Delays At ORD!

Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:52 am

This is too funny to be made up! I didn't even know that coyotes lived in Illinois, let alone anywhere near Chicago.

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RE: Coyotes Causing Delays At ORD!

Fri Mar 09, 2007 1:16 am

Unlike other pansy ass animals with poor coping skills, Coyotes have adapted to the influx of man into their territory by expanding their range throughout the USA. Mostly due to available garbage and pets to eat, they now live all over North America, though their numbers are quite low in the non-western states.
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RE: Coyotes Causing Delays At ORD!

Fri Mar 09, 2007 1:27 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
Unlike other pansy ass animals with poor coping skills, Coyotes have adapted to the influx of man into their territory by expanding their range throughout the USA. Mostly due to available garbage and pets to eat, they now live all over North America, though their numbers are quite low in the non-western states.

Oh, give me a break, obviously you have no clue. My many years of cartoon watching as a young lad have given me far better insight as to what is going on here. It is obvious that these coyotes are plotting to capture the big, fast "birds" speeding across the runways of ORD.

The FAA says planes have hit coyotes at Illinois airports 26 times since 1990.

And like Wile E Coyote, they aren't faring too well. 

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RE: Coyotes Causing Delays At ORD!

Fri Mar 09, 2007 1:29 am

I saw this article too. I'm sure this has happened before at ORD, its just that somehow this found its way into the news. Its really not uncommon to see coyotes around ORD at all. (There are an estimated 2,000 coyotes living in Chicago!) There are a lot of nice places for coyotes to den on and around airport property. I'm not sure what the airport can do other than trap and/or exterminate all coyotes on airport property.

Coyotes have made remarkable adaptations to living in urban environments over the last few decades. There are no natural predators (i.e. wolves) to keep numbers in check. With plenty of garbage, rats, raccoons, opossums, cats and little dogs, there's plenty of food for these critters in many urban areas around the US. I have even "spotted" coyotes down in the city about a mile north of Wrigley Field. Chicago has a large forest preserve and park network, and along with all the cemeteries, there are lots of places for them to live.

Reminds me of one of the strangest incidents at ORD in recent memory:

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RE: Coyotes Causing Delays At ORD!

Fri Mar 09, 2007 3:12 am

Quoting Airfinair (Reply 3):
Reminds me of one of the strangest incidents at ORD in recent memory:

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?sec...95740

Haha! I forgot about that. Needless to say, TSA probably waived it through. Deer are all over the place, thanks in part to hunting regulations and the aforementioned forest preserve system in Cook County. What's somewhat alarming is the fact that the animals apparently have little problem negotiating what should be a robust fencing system around the airport perimeter. How many coyotes and deer have burrowing abilities?!


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RE: Coyotes Causing Delays At ORD!

Fri Mar 09, 2007 3:32 am

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 2):
And like Wile E Coyote, they aren't faring too well



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
Unlike other pansy ass animals with poor coping skills, Coyotes have adapted to the influx of man into their territory by expanding their range throughout the USA

Haha, I wouldn't say that though. There are now coyote dens in Rock Creek Park in Washington, DC, and people have spotted Coyotes trying to cross the Long Island Sound (they probably figured out that the pansy ass poodles on Long Island would make easy snacks...). Coyotes are definitely some of the smartest and most adaptive animals out there... heck, the Wolf/Coyote crosses that are being seen more frequently on the East coast have to be some of the best hunter/gathering animals on Earth.
 
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RE: Coyotes Causing Delays At ORD!

Fri Mar 09, 2007 4:40 am

My buddy who flies for American Eagle ran over a fox [it ran across the runway when they were slowing down] when he landed in Peoria,IL. Said it was pretty messy.
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RE: Coyotes Causing Delays At ORD!

Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:06 am

Last several times I have flown into or through DIA on DL I have noticed a lot of rabbits on the tarmac. Has anyone else noticed this? At times I have seen as many as 20-25 in between two gates. Does anyone know if they cause any operational problems?

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RE: Coyotes Causing Delays At ORD!

Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:26 am

Coyotes are all over Chicago. A coyote was found hiding under a cab on Michigan Ave. downtown a couple of years ago. Also, a couple coyotes were living on the lakefront near Ohio Street Beach one winter...
 
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RE: Coyotes Causing Delays At ORD!

Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:26 am

Maybe they should start launching frozen coyotes into aircraft engines instead of chickens!
 
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RE: Coyotes Causing Delays At ORD!

Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:15 pm

I can assure you not only are there numerous coyotes living in the Chicago area, there are in fact some on the airport property. Saw one one afternoon trotting along the service road just NW of the United hangars. I can hear them howling at night too.
 
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RE: Coyotes Causing Delays At ORD!

Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:11 pm

Down a bit futher south at MDH its almost a weekly occurance of getting a caution from the tower about coyotes on or around the runway. I'm not a big fan of these animals but they do provide for some excitement during long stretches of pattern work.
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RE: Coyotes Causing Delays At ORD!

Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:46 pm

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 7):
Last several times I have flown into or through DIA on DL I have noticed a lot of rabbits on the tarmac.

I can tell you from personal experience that DIA is lousy with rabbits, airside and landside. I didn't hear of them causing any operational problems during my time there, though.

Coyote season is about to crank up again at my present duty station. They are smart and tough animals. We know where they travel on the airport property, we just can't figure out how they get through the fence. They pop up in one area and run to another area then disappear. They usually stay clear of the runways, so we haven't had any serious problems yet.

I think the general population is just now becoming aware of how many coyotes there are out there, and how we are taking over their habitats to a greater and greater extent.
 
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RE: Coyotes Causing Delays At ORD!

Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:37 pm

SInce we're on the topic: anyone know of any other interesting animal incursions (birds don't count for obvious reasons)?

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RE: Coyotes Causing Delays At ORD!

Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:46 pm

Too many people can't tell a coyote from a dog...

and don't know that its hardly going to hurt the coyote population if you just shoot the ones that are accustomed to humans.

Around the time I graduated from High School I saw a Coyote in the middle of town in the middle of an almost all residential area. No one did anything about it, and so sure enough a couple days later it was killed after it attacked a baby and a child. Bit more proactive and the injuries and possible death might have been avoided.

So in short, if Coyotes are an issue at the airport, get a guard or two with some rifle experience a scoped .223 or some such and just take them out if they are in the fenced area. I for one don't want to see how well a 737 does or does not take off after a full grown Coyote goes through the engine.
 
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RE: Coyotes Causing Delays At ORD!

Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:45 pm

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 14):
and don't know that its hardly going to hurt the coyote population if you just shoot the ones that are accustomed to humans.

Very true. They are not exactly endangered, as their numbers are growing, not shrinking, since the most pansy assed animal of all, the American Citizen, no longer takes "pest control" seriously.

Sure, we go around shooting every mountain lion we can find when one attacks a hiker IN THE WOODS, but we are supposed to "let the coyotes be" when they come into our yards and eat our dogs, cats and children...

What's wild is that they don't generally come into the heavily populated areas out here in LA, but seem to do so back east. Must be a more "daring" breed of coyote that moved east...
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RE: Coyotes Causing Delays At ORD!

Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:51 pm

I have seen deer on the field on the Mt Prospect Road/Touhy Avenue area inside the ORD fence. Guess the coyotes are just having dinner.

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RE: Coyotes Causing Delays At ORD!

Sat Mar 10, 2007 1:25 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 15):
Sure, we go around shooting every mountain lion we can find when one attacks a hiker IN THE WOODS, but we are supposed to "let the coyotes be" when they come into our yards and eat our dogs, cats and children...

yah, my family was involved in ranching and the basic rule is, coyote eats a round if it pisses you off or you feel like it, Mountain lion you leave alone till it starts poking around occupied houses or whatever. Sadly it seems most towns do the reverse, only more so. They shoot the mountain lion because it was seen remotely near town, yet the coyotes run around eating pets 24/7/365 and don't get put in check till they attack someone.

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 16):
I have seen deer on the field on the Mt Prospect Road/Touhy Avenue area inside the ORD fence. Guess the coyotes are just having dinner.

ah, coyotes are scavengers or hunt smaller animals. They would be starving or near so for them to try to hunt deer. That said I'm sure the airport is loaded with rodents from mice all the way to large rabbits if it has any kind of grassy area. which is damn good hunting for them.
 
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RE: Coyotes Causing Delays At ORD!

Sat Mar 10, 2007 1:53 pm

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 17):
That said I'm sure the airport is loaded with rodents from mice all the way to large rabbits if it has any kind of grassy area. which is damn good hunting for them.

Who needs a grassy area? Terminal 1 has plenty of mice for them to snack on. Just let the coyotes loose in the UAX gates on the south end of C.
 
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RE: Coyotes Causing Delays At ORD!

Sat Mar 10, 2007 1:59 pm

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 17):
ah, coyotes are scavengers or hunt smaller animals. They would be starving or near so for them to try to hunt deer. That said I'm sure the airport is loaded with rodents from mice all the way to large rabbits if it has any kind of grassy area. which is damn good hunting for them.

That's what I would have figured too, that coyotes are scavengers. But this thread has gotten me curious, so I did some quick research. According to the Illinois DNR, coyotes help stem urban deer population, and in some areas are take 70-80% of urban fawns each year. Prior to the reintroduction of wolves into Yellowstone, coyotes had developed wolf-like pack behavior and were known to take down big game. Of course that all changed when the wolves came to town.

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 14):
So in short, if Coyotes are an issue at the airport, get a guard or two with some rifle experience a scoped .223 or some such and just take them out if they are in the fenced area. I for one don't want to see how well a 737 does or does not take off after a full grown Coyote goes through the engine.

I wouldn't doubt that there are programs in place to "quietly dispose" of coyotes and deer around major airports, but that's probably not going to solve the problem long-term - once a few coyotes and deer are killed, others in the area will come in and take their place.

The only way to properly reduce coyote and deer populations at ORD is to introduce their natural predator - wolves.  

edit: here's an interesting article about ORD's deer problem from 1982:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...9B0DE1DA1638F931A35756C0A964948260

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RE: Coyotes Causing Delays At ORD!

Sun Mar 11, 2007 3:20 am

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 7):
Last several times I have flown into or through DIA on DL I have noticed a lot of rabbits on the tarmac. Has anyone else noticed this? At times I have seen as many as 20-25 in between two gates. Does anyone know if they cause any operational problems?

I don't know about operational problems, but it is pretty weird to walk to the terminal from long-term parking and feel hundreds of rabbit eyes staring you down, they are pretty fearless too.

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