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New Zealand Aviation Thread #2

Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:39 am

Now that thread #1 has reached the 200 mark New Zealand Aviation Thread (by 777ER Feb 23 2007 in Civil Aviation) . I thought I would start thread #2. In the first New Zealand Aviation Thread we learnt that:

NZs new livery is confirmed and the first domestic B737 will have it applied soon. ZK NCO (B763) will have it End of Lease Check in either late September or early October. NZs B733 and ATR72 fleet are having an extra row put in at the expense of galley space. Jetconnects (QF) third B734 (ZK-JTR) is due soon, with the fourth B734 due not long after that. After having a look at QFs WLG-AKL schedule in April for getting one way prices, half of QFs daily services are scheduled to be operated by B734s. From November, SQ will operate twice daily B772s on AKL-SIN replacing the B744 on some flights. News spread of a new airline that was going to be operated by Nelson Maori, which would be based at NSN and would use some of now bankrupt QO ex J41s. After having a close up look at some ex QO J41s in storage, I doubt they will find a new owner due to their condition. NZs long haul IFE on their B772s and B744s will now have 450 hours of movies, games, music, TV shows etc, compared to the previous 200 hours. NZ announced a few days ago extra HKG and PVG flights. NZ also announced on the same day that WLG and CHC will have one weekly NAN service up intill October 27th, which will go upto twice weekly over the winter season. Just announced today, NZs domestic meal service is changing on its B737 services. The Free cookie will go and will be replaced by sandwiches, rolls, cakes and slices that customers will pay for. One of Wellingtons catering companys is providing the new meals, which will start from next monday on all day time Jet services.

Let the thread #2 discussions start
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #2

Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:43 am

Thanks for the roundup and good to see how active kiwi aviation is...
Also to mention that DJ is looking at setting up a domestic op in New Zealand (from the previous thread).
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Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:59 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 1):
Also to mention that DJ is looking at setting up a domestic op in New Zealand

How sure are we of this?
 
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Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:00 pm

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 2):
How sure are we of this?

DJ/SRB did say something about it when he was over here recently... I don't have a link tho and it is far from certain.
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Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:04 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 3):
DJ/SRB did say something about it when he was over here recently.

Yeah but I'm not putting much weight on that! It was just a way to gain publicity. I'm open to be proven wrong of course but there's been so much talk from DJ about it over the years and nothing has happened. And they have bigger fish to fry with trans-pacific, new planes and Tiger arriving.
 
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Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:22 pm

SRB had to say something to the open microphone. BUT in the Virgin Blue thread on www.pprune.org, one of the guys thinks he heard that the six extra E-190s announced when the VirginBlue 777-300ERs were announced might be intended for NZ domestic use. Pprune may only be a rumour network, but it is a nice thought, and E-190s might be the planes that will bring service to cities outside AKL, WLG and CHC.
 
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Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:59 pm

It would be nice to have the ERJs in NZ operating domestically. Apart from the increase competition, gives alot of people here more chance to getting some jobs quicker (Jobs requiring a longish waiting list at the moment)
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #2

Fri Mar 09, 2007 1:46 pm

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 2):
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 1):
Also to mention that DJ is looking at setting up a domestic op in New Zealand

How sure are we of this?

It has been knowen for ages thou that DJ wants to set up domestic ups here. Last I heard, it was behind DJs plans of starting up US flights on their 'to do' list

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 6):
It would be nice to have the ERJs in NZ operating domestically. Apart from the increase competition, gives alot of people here more chance to getting some jobs quicker

Add to that, it would also bring better competition which in turn brings better airfare wares which inturns makes more people fly, which in turns keeps people like you and me VERY happy
 
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Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:24 pm

Surely the inevitable driving down of pay and conditions for airline staff (including pilots) that competition from budget airlines results in wouldn't make people like ZKSUJ happy?
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Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:27 pm

Quoting TG992 (Reply 8):
Surely the inevitable driving down of pay and conditions for airline staff (including pilots) that competition from budget airlines results in wouldn't make people like ZKSUJ happy?

I was more talking about getting to fly more Smile
 
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Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:38 pm

So the cookie is still free on Link services. 3 news just reported the pay for food scheme is only on 733 services. Can anyone confirm that I'll still get a cookie on the ATRs and Q300s?
 
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Fri Mar 09, 2007 3:01 pm

Why are so many people worried about a cookie? I think its a good idea scrapping them. Flying domestic is just like taking a bus. Why do people need food on there?
 
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Fri Mar 09, 2007 3:21 pm

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
The Free cookie will go and will be replaced by sandwiches, rolls, cakes and slices that customers will pay for.

Bastards! Is it just the cookie at this stage or the tea/coffee as well. I like the drink and cookie, it helps pass the time. Except the macaroon one, eww.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 1):
Also to mention that DJ is looking at setting up a domestic op in New Zealand

This would be great. Some of the current Air NZ fares are ludicris. I know someone who had to pay $750 to get from HN to CH and back.
 
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Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:50 pm

Whats up with the new livery, any more details?

I really hope DJ enter NZ domestically and use Dunedin for a few services.
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Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:08 pm

Quoting Sqb7e (Reply 11):
Why are so many people worried about a cookie? I think its a good idea scrapping them. Flying domestic is just like taking a bus. Why do people need food on there

That is true, but for the guys that pay $250-300 per one way ticket for a single flight, you want every bit of free flour, water and sugar you can get  Wink
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #2

Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:26 pm

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 10):
So the cookie is still free on Link services. 3 news just reported the pay for food scheme is only on 733 services. Can anyone confirm that I'll still get a cookie on the ATRs and Q300s?

Thats what One News have also said, so Link services still get the cookies. Maybe I should try and take the Dash 8 and ATRs services so I can get a handful of those cookies
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #2

Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:32 pm

QF also announced on TV1s late news that they won't be charging customers for their sandwiches etc.
 
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Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:53 pm

Quoting Sqb7e (Reply 11):
Why are so many people worried about a cookie? I think its a good idea scrapping them. Flying domestic is just like taking a bus. Why do people need food on there?

Yes but you see liam, if Qantas can offer a decent snack for the same fare ticket as Air NZ, im sure Air NZ could still offer something to chew on while you drink your coffee. The cookie can't cost them more than 20 cents. Most fares on Air NZ, except the few lucky ones, are at the same price they were back in the day when they offered full meals on domectic flights. They are making a killing on their domestic routes. I'm sure a little complementary food wont hurt. If it was a full LCC I would understand. But yeah its only a cookie. Hardly gonna fill you up.
 
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Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:00 pm

Quoting NZ747 (Reply 17):
Most fares on Air NZ, except the few lucky ones, are at the same price they were back in the day when they offered full meals on domectic flights.

I can assure you that this statement is utterly untrue. Not withstanding the huge increase in fuel price since the days of the full-service domestic flights, fares are still considerably lower.

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Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:25 pm

Quoting TG992 (Reply 18):

As i said, except the few lucky ones, meaning the cheaper fares. If you take a flight from AKL to CHC rtn under the flexi fare on a close random date it's $664rtn. I used to pay less than $500 for the same type of fare (allowed cancelations, changes, and airpoints etc). I doubt fuel costs and that have gone up by over $150 pp since then. Also have to take into account all the saving air nz now make from reducing staff numbers, increased pax load etc..

But yeah obviously overall airfares have reduced a lot.

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Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:30 pm

The flexible fares have seen some of the biggest price reductions

Prior to Express there were no AKL-CHC fares in the $500 level that allowed cancellations or changes without penalty. Your memory may be faulty on this one.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #2

Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:20 pm

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
The Free cookie will go and will be replaced by sandwiches, rolls, cakes and slices that customers will pay for.

That's too bad, I loved the free cookie  Sad

Anything new from EK about future AKL service via Asia or non-stop?

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Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:22 am

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 21):
Anything new from EK about future AKL service via Asia or non-stop?

Not that I'm aware of, I'm sure it will come though.

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
SQ will operate twice daily B772s on AKL-SIN replacing the B744 on some flights.

This is happening from July 2nd, SQ will have 11 weekly over winter daily 744 and 4 weekly 772 until July 1st and then 11 weekly 772's meaning no First Class for a while, though I've heard loads are good in all classes so I expect a 77W eventually.
 
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Sat Mar 10, 2007 9:57 am

When UA used to operate to AKL-LAX , what was the frequency of flight that NZ had to LAX? Was is 2 flights daily or was is less?

Why was the CHC-LAX flight discontinued, I believe that the flight was not daily though... but like 3x weekly? Any chance for that flight to come back?

So in actuallity has the capacity of NZ at LAX been decreased in the last couple of years? or is the # OF SEATS OVERALL STILL the same? I see they added SFO , which basically diverted some of the capacity from LAX.
 
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Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:38 pm

Quoting Planetime (Reply 23):
When UA used to operate to AKL-LAX , what was the frequency of flight that NZ had to LAX? Was is 2 flights daily or was is less?

Why was the CHC-LAX flight discontinued, I believe that the flight was not daily though... but like 3x weekly? Any chance for that flight to come back?

So in actuallity has the capacity of NZ at LAX been decreased in the last couple of years? or is the # OF SEATS OVERALL STILL the same? I see they added SFO , which basically diverted some of the capacity from LAX.

I think UA was daily....
NZ had its Island hopping flights plus direct flights also.
In some ways capacity at LAX has decreased the past year... like you said SFO takes some of the traffic. Also AKL-HKG--LHR takes some of the thru traffic. It means there are more seats available out of LAX however both to AKL and LHR...
The CHC flight was dropped as it was not very successful, it involved juggling the crews around more than NZ liked (paxing down to CHC or operating empty to CHC) and at the time NZ was refitting the 744s so didn't have any to spare. I think it will be restarted once the 787s arrive as it is too small a route for 744s as NZ has its focus at AKL.
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Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:58 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 24):

Thanks!!

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 24):
I think UA was daily....
NZ had its Island hopping flights plus direct flights also

UA was daily with a 777 towards the end and 747 beofre that continuing on to MEL.

What I meant to ask was did NZ have 2 direct flights to LAX during that time when UA had 1 daily flight to AKL?
 
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Sat Mar 10, 2007 1:01 pm

Will the Island Hopping flight via NAN be changed to 777? I know some of the flights this summer is a 777? But will this become permanent?
 
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Sat Mar 10, 2007 1:08 pm

Quoting Planetime (Reply 25):
What I meant to ask was did NZ have 2 direct flights to LAX during that time when UA had 1 daily flight to AKL

From what I remember they did. They had the NZ1/2 which carried onto LHR and the daily NZ5/6 as well. I think at times there was the extra NZ3/4 flight. Can anyone confirm this?
 
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Sat Mar 10, 2007 1:23 pm

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 27):
think at times there was the extra NZ3/4 flight.

NZ 3/4 was seasonal I think they used to have this flight also during past January. Does NZ plan to have this next year?
 
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Sat Mar 10, 2007 1:50 pm

Reading a NZ advertisement in the paper over here advertising direct services to Auckland, Christchuch and Wellington from ADL. At the moment ADL has direct services to Auckland but not to CHC and WEL.

Is this more routes for the airline?
 
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Sat Mar 10, 2007 2:10 pm

Quoting QantasA333 (Reply 29):
At the moment ADL has direct services to Auckland but not to CHC and WEL.

Is this more routes for the airline?

Direct yes. Non-stop no. You can connect to CHC or WLG through AKL.

On a seperate note, what will EK do to NZ in the future? Could we see a non stop 345 from DXB?
 
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Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:18 pm

Quoting Planetime (Reply 23):
When UA used to operate to AKL-LAX , what was the frequency of flight that NZ had to LAX? Was is 2 flights daily or was is less?

From memory, NZ2 was daily from around 1994, and NZ6 was 3 or 4 times weekly until about late2001 or 2002, when it went daily. I think NZ4 originally routed AKL-HNL-LAX until about december 2001, when it disappeared, and is now used sporadically for additional seasonal services.
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Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:02 pm

So which plane did the LAX-FRA route then?

Quoting QantasA333 (Reply 29):
Is this more routes for the airline?

I doubt there is enough traffic to warrant flights from WLG or CHC, it would surely have to go daily from AKL first.
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Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:08 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 32):
So which plane did the LAX-FRA route then

NZ18 using 747s
 
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Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:15 pm

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 33):

Ok, thanks.
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Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:10 pm

anyone heard of any new airlines comming to AKL, i.e AI etc
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Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:32 pm

Quoting Zkojh (Reply 35):
anyone heard of any new airlines comming to AKL, i.e AI etc

If NZ pulls out of HNL (doubt it tho) then expect to see an Hawaiian carrier down this way, unless FJ picks up the slack...
OZ may make a return... at least seasonally...
perhaps Etihad or another Middle East carrier... If NZ doesn't fly to Sth Africa then perhaps SA
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Sat Mar 10, 2007 10:04 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 30):
On a seperate note, what will EK do to NZ in the future? Could we see a non stop 345 from DXB?

I highly doubt it. They could have started something like this a long time ago.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 36):
perhaps Etihad

EY starts it Australian service in March but have no intentions of flying to NZ as of yet. They will probably codeshare with QF anyway

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 36):
another Middle East carrier

QR is another MidEast carrier seeking flights to Aust. and they may possibly extend their flights to NZ
 
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Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:51 am

I know it is a bit of a pipedream but has anybody heard anymore about WIAL's supposed talks with SQ over a direct service from WLG to SIN? After all we all have to have dreams..............................

What are the chances of further international services from WLG? EK maybe?

Loads on the Tasman seem to be improving so maybe there is a chance once the 787's start arriving in service
 
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Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:45 am

Quoting WLG787 (Reply 38):
What are the chances of further international services from WLG? EK maybe?

to where and with what?
The nearest major destination, other than Australian cities, is SIN, a west bound still air distance of close to 5000nm.
A -200LR could make a respectable showing with about max passenger load but little else. A howling southerly on take-off would help!
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Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:48 am

Quoting WLG787 (Reply 38):
I know it is a bit of a pipedream but has anybody heard anymore about WIAL's supposed talks with SQ over a direct service from WLG to SIN? After all we all have to have dreams..............................

Last I heard nothing was happening until the 787 and or A350 enter service, as all other aircraft would have heavy penalties. Although I'm sure SQ have other airports they would like to open with the 787 before WLG. I think the "main" target airlines were SQ and CX, with TG, MH and EK as possibilities "maybe"...
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Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:02 am

Quoting Zkojh (Reply 35):
anyone heard of any new airlines comming to AKL, i.e AI etc

I'm hoping :

AKL-HNL for JQ
AKL-SYD for QR
AKL-NRT/KIX for JL (If NZ pulls out which is a possibility)
AKL-PEK for CA
AKL-CAN for CZ
AKL-PER for SA
AKL-YVR for AC
 
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Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:38 am

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 41):
AKL-HNL for JQ

Would love to see something like that happen

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 41):
AKL-SYD for QR

hmm won't happen because they are not planning to fly to SYD but MEL instead
 
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Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:50 am

Hawaiian Airlines from AKL would be a much better airline than Jetstar.

Wellington Airport has published claims that the 787 will be able to take off from their runway and fly non stop to several Asian ports - Singapore is one of them. If Singapore Airlines thinks that CHC might be worth a second daily service, perhaps they could routes some flights SIN-WLG-CHC-SIN, if they think the Wellington market has any potential for them.
 
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Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:00 am

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 30):
Could we see a non stop 345 from DXB?

or 77L

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 37):
I highly doubt it. They could have started something like this a long time ago.

Maybe they didn't have enough ULH aircraft

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Sun Mar 11, 2007 3:44 pm

Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 43):
Wellington Airport has published claims that the 787 will be able to take off from their runway and fly non stop to several Asian ports - Singapore is one of them.

How likely are these 787s going to be filled (or even half filled)?

Maybe a few once or twice a week flights to the pacific for WLG. Being a WLG resident, I don't see how a WLG-Asia flight would work out. If we add the frequent airport closure (due to weather), and aircraft reposition needs to the equation, the chance is 0.
 
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Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:54 pm

Quoting Sqb7e (Reply 11):
Why are so many people worried about a cookie? I think its a good idea scrapping them. Flying domestic is just like taking a bus. Why do people need food on there?

Could not agree more!

Quoting NZ747 (Reply 12):
Bastards! Is it just the cookie at this stage or the tea/coffee as well. I like the drink and cookie, it helps pass the time. Except the macaroon one, eww.

Why not take a whole packet then? let the entire flight pass you by...

NZ1, do you know anything about us keeping the 6th 763 for a while longer???

I would like us to fly to..
BJS
SIN (again YES!!)
JNB

But I guess I'll have to wait and see  Smile

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread #2

Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:14 pm

I was in the observations deck at AKL the other day. There was a photo of an Air Niugini plane. When did PX fly into AKL, and any chance we can see them again?
 
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Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:11 am

Quoting Cchan (Reply 47):
There was a photo of an Air Niugini plane. When did PX fly into AKL, and any chance we can see them again?

a long long time ago - from memory NZ CX and PX did a tripartite arrangement where each of them was supposed to operate AKL-POM-HKG for a year in rotation ( once a week from what I recall ) . From what I recall the arrangement did not last long - I think it would have been the very early 80s - IIRC PX were still using 707s
 
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Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:31 am

Quoting Cchan (Reply 47):
I was in the observations deck at AKL the other day. There was a photo of an Air Niugini plane. When did PX fly into AKL, and any chance we can see them again?

also , I forgot to mention in my previous post , I believe the current PX 763 is ex NZ and visits from time to time for maintenance . Was the photo of a 763 , or , as I seem to remember it of a 707 ?

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