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JetBlue's Pullback Stokes Fears Over Fares

Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:19 pm

http://www.postgazette.com/pg/07068/768035-37.stm

C'mon PIT people. We're pulling together for the Pens, Lets pull together for the local air market and B6 too. We need the business traveler to look beyond their FF perks. A market only gets so many chances and we have had more than our fare share. If we dont get our sh@t together we have no one else to blame but ourselves.
 
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RE: JetBlue's Pullback Stokes Fears Over Fares

Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:30 pm

I'm with you. Don't screw this up......AGAIN and let USAIR jack the prices up again. Start supporting the other carriers.
 
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Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:12 pm

Totally saw this coming. Since my move to this part of the country I have been flying in and out of PIT a couple of times a month and while talking to other travelers I quickly discovered that jetBlue has not caught on around here. They also got A LOT of bad local press that stuck during their fiasco in February (I posted about this fear in another thread).

I must say though that I don't like the blame US is taking for this. I personally am not a fan of US and don't fly them, but c'mon lowering prices to beat your competition is the name of the game . . . it's business. Also that is one of the beauty's of being a legacy carrier with a larger route structure. You can cut fares where the competition is and raise fares on your other routes to make up for it.
 
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Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:18 pm

I would much rather pay more to support US than fly an airline that offers 1 fllight per day, and has chronic problems with being late.
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Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:01 am

Its not just bad press, but it doesn't seam like JetBlue has really made a significant push here. Maybe they thought it would be easy, so they didn't even have to try. Hopefully, now that will change and there will be some more significant advertising.

I flew them last time I was in BOS and the flight was pretty full, but it was a Sunday afternoon.

Also, I though the quote about the biz traveler who was worried about fares was particularly indicative of this situation. He was only worried about his flight on US becoming more expensive, so he relies on B6 to keep fares low, but sticks with US when they are.
 
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Sat Mar 10, 2007 1:23 am

I'm giving my hard earned spring break dollar to B6 next week for PIT-SJU. I havn't flown US for three years now! haha Freedom is great.

-pgh234

[Edited 2007-03-09 17:26:03]
 
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RE: JetBlue's Pullback Stokes Fears Over Fares

Sat Mar 10, 2007 3:29 am

According to the article, JetBlue currently offers 4x PIT-JFK and 2x PIT-BOS. They are temporarily ending the second Boston flight, and are restoring it on May 1. How is that a "pullback?" The article isn't clear.

But it seems to me if they do want to compete effectively with US they probably need at least three flights on PIT-BOS for business travelers. It's not a heavy leisure route, and probably moderate VFR at most. Also, unlike JFK, there won't be connecting traffic on the route. How much is JetBlue advertising in Pittsburgh? What kind of promotions are they running? Pittsburgh's mixed history with low-fare carriers is well-known. JetBlue may need to push harder if they want to establish themselves on a strictly O & D mostly-business route at PIT.

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Sat Mar 10, 2007 3:32 am

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 6):
How much is JetBlue advertising in Pittsburgh? What kind of promotions are they running?

None that I am aware of. That being said perhaps they are doing some things to help drive business but obviously someone who travels a lot of and is very observant in the industry does not see this, then they are doing something wrong.
 
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RE: JetBlue's Pullback Stokes Fears Over Fares

Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:05 am

there are (used to be) adds in the two major papers, and especially in the Business Times. In addition I used to see billboards with the "Dear Pittsburgh..." stuff, but I haven't recently.
 
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Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:18 am

For a long time Jetblue didnt spend alot of money on advertising. It was pretty much word of mouth which is always an effective way of getting known, good or bad. But now that we are flying to twice as many cities, especially cities like PIT that are stuck on Usairways that would rather pay a high price, than fly on a airline with new aircraft, friendly customer service, and all the things that come with it like TVs XM radio, more legroom, oh yeah and good customer service, we have to advertise more like our Dear PIT billboard. Im not sure why its no longer there but that is what we are doing now. Its the Sincerly Jetblue campaign. Ofcourse all the Jetblue haters will jump on and say we cant run on time or the whole Valentines storm....blah blah blah, but we are and will become more aggresive with our advertising.
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Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:46 am

Quoting B6sfinest (Reply 9):
For a long time Jetblue didnt spend alot of money on advertising. It was pretty much word of mouth which is always an effective way of getting known, good or bad. But now that we are flying to twice as many cities, especially cities like PIT that are stuck on Usairways that would rather pay a high price, than fly on a airline with new aircraft, friendly customer service, and all the things that come with it like TVs XM radio, more legroom, oh yeah and good customer service, we have to advertise more like our Dear PIT billboard. Im not sure why its no longer there but that is what we are doing now. Its the Sincerly Jetblue campaign. Ofcourse all the Jetblue haters will jump on and say we cant run on time or the whole Valentines storm....blah blah blah, but we are and will become more aggresive with our advertising.

I think you forgot to mention that your CEO has appeared on Letterman, but the US CEO has only appeared in a mugshot.
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RE: JetBlue's Pullback Stokes Fears Over Fares

Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:06 am

Quoting Flaps (Thread starter):
We need the business traveler to look beyond their FF perks

You give up your upgrades and bonus miles...

Quoting Flaps (Thread starter):
A market only gets so many chances and we have had more than our fare share.

for the leasure traveler sure, but for the business traveler, who cares? he's not footing the bill...

k, just had to play devils advocate...
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RE: JetBlue's Pullback Stokes Fears Over Fares

Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:19 am

Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 11):
but for the business traveler, who cares? he's not footing the bill...

But his or her company is, and you can bet that in today's cost-cutting world, most companies will look for the lowest fare...

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RE: JetBlue's Pullback Stokes Fears Over Fares

Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:44 am

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 3):
I would much rather pay more to support US than fly an airline that offers 1 fllight per day, and has chronic problems with being late.

I really wanted to just ignore your blatant disregard for facts, but I couldn't resist. As posted above, jetBlue offers multiple flights a day out of PIT to JFK and BOS, and the BOS scaleback is for a few months only. Though I don't know for sure, I'd guess this pullback is to account for the E190s going out for maintenence.

As to the chronic late problems... JFK is a tough airport and the February fiasco was certaintly detrimental to the airline. However, it's a stretch to call it "chronic" as every airline suffers when the weather turns sour. If you tell me that your precious US has never suffered such a problem, then I'll ask for proof.

What it comes down to is that the PIT population bitches and moans about US Airways high fares... attracts good, solid airlines like jetBlue to come offer price relief, and then refuses to support that airline, even if it means paying a few bucks premium every now and then. It's a two way street, and PIT just doesn't seem to get it.

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RE: JetBlue's Pullback Stokes Fears Over Fares

Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:53 am

Quoting Pgh234 (Reply 5):
I havn't flown US for three years now! haha Freedom is great.

Itr's about time to give them another try. They are NOT the same airline they were then.
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RE: JetBlue's Pullback Stokes Fears Over Fares

Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:29 am

Does WN seem to be having a problem at PIT?
 
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RE: JetBlue's Pullback Stokes Fears Over Fares

Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:28 am

Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 11):
You give up your upgrades and bonus miles...

I dont need to. I havent used US in over three years. Dont miss em a bit.
 
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RE: JetBlue's Pullback Stokes Fears Over Fares

Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:29 am

More often than not, its the convenience of the schedule that attracts the business traveler. They make no money sitting around the terminal at JFK waiting for a connection. If US has a more convenient schedule, they WILL get the bulk of the business travelers.....time is money. I think US has done a prety good job with their restructuring and I actually enjoy flying them now....wish they could resolve the luggage situation permanently though.
 
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Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:36 am

Quoting Eskimo1 (Reply 18):
More often than not, its the convenience of the schedule that attracts the business traveler. They make no money sitting around the terminal at JFK waiting for a connection.

It's not even that. It's the time away from home and family.

There actually is, believe it or not, a very large group of people (refeered to as "pretty much everyone in the world except the A.Net folks  Smile ) who hate connections, etc. Regardless of miles, etc., they only care about being home and not spending all day in planes and airports.

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Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:58 am

What is a bit surprising is that the PIT-BOS loads for the first five full months of the service (July-November 2006) were very comparable to, if not slightly better than, the PIT-JFK loads (given twice the capacity to JFK). And the JFK flights were actually carrying proportionally more connecting traffic; in other words, there was a greater percentage of O&D traffic on the PIT-BOS flights.
 
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Sat Mar 10, 2007 11:19 am

Like another poster above mentioned, how is WN doing in PIT? How are loads on FL to ATL?
 
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Sat Mar 10, 2007 2:08 pm

You can lead horses to water but you can't make them drink...People in Pittsburg are like people in MSP. They hate the local airline for jacking prices. But like MSP..Sun Country attempts to bring low fares and suddenley Northwest drops fares on same routes and squashes Sun Country out of market. Fares thence skyrocket and Sun Country is forced to pull out as B6 is doing with Pittsburgh. Customers are very short sitted. The same happened in COS when WestPac had great fares and bully UAL squashed them along with bullies AA and CO....When will consumers ever figure out that if you want to keep low fares that you have to support the airline that brings low fares to the community. SWA can do that because of unlimited funds but others have a hard time....Competition is good to a point....Delta would still be gouging with crappy service out east if B6 hadn't started flying....SWA and UAL are attempting to kill F9 in DEN......Any denial is a lie....Going back to PIT...Locals will pay when B6 leaves...Southwest is only hope for rescue there...LOL
 
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RE: JetBlue's Pullback Stokes Fears Over Fares

Sun Mar 11, 2007 1:38 am

Quoting Flaps (Thread starter):
We need the business traveler to look beyond their FF perks.

Ain't gonna happen. Too many allow themselves to become addicted beyond recovery to the "narcotics" of FF perks/giveaways and below-cost predatory fares used by the legacies to ensure customer "loyalty" when an honest competitor comes to town.

Quoting JFK69 (Reply 1):
Don't screw this up......AGAIN and let USAIR jack the prices up again

But I thought it was the "restructured" legacies who were forcing the LCCs to offer lower fares? Or at least that is what we have been told repeatedly by legacy-lovers in this forum.

Quoting BN727 (Reply 21):
People in Pittsburg are like people in MSP. They hate the local airline for jacking prices. But like MSP..Sun Country attempts to bring low fares and suddenley Northwest drops fares on same routes and squashes Sun Country out of market.

Which simply suggests that people in both cities have allowed themselves to fall for and become addicted to the memory-purging, mind-altering "opiates" dispensed by legacy airlines.



Quoting Tooluther (Reply 4):
He was only worried about his flight on US becoming more expensive, so he relies on B6 to keep fares low,

And poetic justice will be served when, hopefully, along with others of his ilk, he (or the business on whose dime he travels) is gouged to the max by US when B6 goes away.

Quoting BN727 (Reply 21):
Customers are very short sitted.

As in short sighted? Or myopic? Which is indeed, exactly what they are. Which predictably happens when customers choose to allow themselves self to become addicted to the "drugs" (FF perks and below cost predatory fares) dispensed by the legacies whenever honest competition comes to town -- a reality not overlooked by the legacies. Another common side effect of such an addiction is vociferous whining and sniveling and a steadfast state of denial for culpability when the legacy to whose "drugs" they are addicted imposes massive fare increases along with capacity reductions on routes from which honest competition withdraws.



Quoting Eskimo1 (Reply 17):
I think US has done a prety good job with their restructuring and I actually enjoy flying them now....wish they could resolve the luggage situation permanently though.

Don't expect the luggage situation to be resolved anytime soon. Legacy airlines have discovered rather conclusively that there is an ample base of "loyal" customers will tolerate chronic poor service indefinitely so long as the airlines continue to dispense regular doses of memory-purging "narcotics" in the form of FF giveaways and loss leader fares to buy back the "loyalty" of customers subjected to poor service. And, if necessary, the costs of the giveaways and pricing schemes can be passed on to airline employees with another round of pay and benefit cuts.

If/when the people of PIT (and elsewhere) allow themselves to fall for the bait- of the same old same old disingenuous bait-and-switch games played by the legacies to buy their continued "loyalty," they will fully deserve the same old same old -switch (higher fares and mediocre -- or worse -- service) that invariably happens when honest competition is in effect told by the people of PIT (and elsewhere) to move on to better opportunities, leaving customers at the mercy of the legacy whose bait-and-switch they fell for, with the same predictable results. Bottom line is that they will fully deserve the high fares and mediocre -- at best -- service they love to complain about while, ironically, the ones who typically whine the loudest have no one to blame but themselves.
 
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RE: JetBlue's Pullback Stokes Fears Over Fares

Sun Mar 11, 2007 1:59 am

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 22):
Too many allow themselves to become addicted beyond recovery to the "narcotics" of FF perks/giveaways

You are right in that there are definite advantages.

First off, I have access to the best and most skilled agents on the phone. With AA, for example, the agents dedicated to working with their top-tier elites are the best of the best -- absolutely brilliant. If something is at all possible, they will figure it out. In addition, being an elite means that sometimes there are strings which can be pulled -- all of which make my life easier.

But even the "never be stuck on hold waiting for the next agent" is worth a ton.

And in irregular operations, I know I'll be taken care of. Again, being able to call the EXP desk and not having to hold is a great advantage.

Being able to sit at the top of the standby list so I can get home earlier is also a very tangible benefit.

Being able to sit up front domestically and be more comfortable is a benefit.

Being able to not fly over the oceans in coach is a MAJOR benefit.

So what do I get for supporting jetBlue? Long times on hold, no priority, and getting blitzed in irregular operations. Sounds like a good way to spend a lot more time away from home to me!

If it costs a little extra for benefits, that's okay. When it's the night before Father's Day and you just want to get home early...it's all worth it.

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RE: JetBlue's Pullback Stokes Fears Over Fares

Sun Mar 11, 2007 2:27 am

Quoting Sllevin (Reply 23):
So what do I get for supporting jetBlue? Long times on hold, no priority, and getting blitzed in irregular operations. Sounds like a good way to spend a lot more time away from home to me!

Not that this thread has anything to do with this, but...

Since you've never experienced JetBlue (from the way that you describe that are an elite on another carrier), you cannot make a judgment with any credibility. I find JetBlue's hold times to be very low - most times I call I have to wait less than three minutes - that is, if I'm not directly connected to an agent first. It's true that there is no "priority", but we're talking about an airline that has a long list of awards for excellent customer service, so I don't know how much better "priority" service could be. And all airlines have problems during IROPS...

Did you see the articles on UA's 8-hour ground delay, where they booted their elite out of First Class and made them fly Coach due to an equipment change? So much for being the "priority" there.

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RE: JetBlue's Pullback Stokes Fears Over Fares

Sun Mar 11, 2007 2:31 am

Quoting Sllevin (Reply 23):
If it costs a little extra for benefits, that's okay.

Nonetheless, in the real world, for every FF member who is willing to pay higher fares for value-added services -- without complaining -- there are at least 5 FFFs (FF Freeloaders) who expect to receive the same services for free with their bottom-of-the-buckets loss-leader fares while at the same time expecting honest LCC competition they refuse to patronize to shield them from the rapacious pricing machinations of the legacy to whose "drugs" they are addicted. They are also the first to complain and throw childish tantrums when honest competition they wouldn't support goes away and the legacy to whom they are addicted immediately reverts back to their business-as-usual shenanigans .
 
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RE: JetBlue's Pullback Stokes Fears Over Fares

Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:16 am

Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 20):
Like another poster above mentioned, how is WN doing in PIT? How are loads on FL to ATL?

While I don't have real numbers to back this up (where do people pull those from anyways?) It seams like there are always lots of people at the FL gates. To the point where I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing larger equipment. Keep in mind though that US does not go head to head with FL to ATL anymore, and Atlanta is a HUGE destination for PIT travelers.

WN just added the Baltimore flight...which although I would rather get double miles on US (and a seat assignment), I picked Southwest because I'd rather be on mainline equipment..and they are the #2 carrier in PIT now.
 
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RE: JetBlue's Pullback Stokes Fears Over Fares

Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:05 am

there is a cost to becoming established in a city... it involves flying often enough to the places people want to fly, distributing your product how people will buy it, and having a loud enough voice to be heard. PIT is not that back of a city but it has seen alot of new service since US pulled back its hub. IF B6 is going to make it in PIT - and alot of other small cities for that matter, they have to invest what it is necessary to establish a decent presence. Given that AA and DL are increasingly matching B6 on fares and frequencies from JFK (and can because they have lower cost structures now vs a couple years ago), B6 will find it alot harder to just sail into new markets and expect them to work. The same principle applies to any competitive market.
 
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RE: JetBlue's Pullback Stokes Fears Over Fares

Sun Mar 11, 2007 1:40 pm

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 25):
there are at least 5 FFFs (FF Freeloaders) who expect to receive the same services for free with their bottom-of-the-buckets loss-leader fares while at the same time expecting honest LCC competition they refuse to patronize to shield them from the rapacious pricing machinations of the legacy to whose "drugs" they are addicted.

I honestly think you are undervaluing what people feel their time and convienence is worth. And what they feel is a good value.

Much like how Don Burr was positive that AA and others were beating him by beaing able to subsidize short routes with profits from long haul, when in fact they were simply doing vastly better yield management.

Look, for example, at Southwest's operation in the California corridor. They have managed to take over the corridor for every airport pair they fly, because they offer a good value. People will happily put up with the dreaded "cattle call" and lack of elite security lines, if the value is there.

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RE: JetBlue's Pullback Stokes Fears Over Fares

Sun Mar 11, 2007 3:10 pm

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 12):
But his or her company is, and you can bet that in today's cost-cutting world, most companies will look for the lowest fare...

yeah.. but it depends on the corp travel... I'll admit at my company price can be an issue, however out of certain markets, we have preferred carriers... we are to choose them at all cost except if they don't offer a flight within 2 hours of our need... Basicly the logic being that the rebate back at the end of the year is worth it... I'll admit I've spent over 500 more for certain domestic flights on the front end because of that policy... but I'll bet because of the revenue guarantees we can offer it's well worth it...
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RE: JetBlue's Pullback Stokes Fears Over Fares

Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:48 pm

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 25):
Nonetheless, in the real world...

there are advantages and disadvantages to each approach, and LCCs are not the be-all, end-all of air travel, as you seem to think they are.

Let me know when there's an LCC (not counting NYSE:LCC) that offers a true worldwide frequent flyer program. With legacy miles I'm taking my mother to Europe in the C-cabin for spring break - try that on B6, FL or F9. There is no better value for miles than intercontinental premium cabin travel - a pair of tickets that would cost me thousands of dollars each, for free*.

Furthermore, as I'm flying 100,000 miles this year, why should I choose an airline that treats me no differently than Joe Blow making his only flight all year, going to Orlando to see Mickey? It's a no-brainer, really. The legacies offer me incentives and programs to give all my business to them, many of which make life as a frequent traveler A LOT easier and more comfortable (priority check-in/security/boarding, airport lounges, upgrades, etc.) All of those things are perhaps not needed if you're flying once in a blue moon, but as a frequent traveler, they become worth their weight in gold.

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RE: JetBlue's Pullback Stokes Fears Over Fares

Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:44 pm

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 12):
But his or her company is, and you can bet that in today's cost-cutting world, most companies will look for the lowest fare...

But youd also be surprised at just how many companies avoid LCCs or niche airlines like B6 like the plague. Say your going to LAX or BKK or LGW...B6 cannot nor will EVER get you there (well maybe LAX if the landing gear gets stuck again, LOL), BUT the networks can. Also, doing PIT-JFK-LGB is not exactly an efficient schedule when you have a multi-million dollar deal waiting to be negotiated and signed, and NO amount of free in eat TV orblue tortila chips can do anything about that.
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RE: JetBlue's Pullback Stokes Fears Over Fares

Sun Mar 11, 2007 8:51 pm

Quoting Sllevin (Reply 23):
If it costs a little extra for benefits, that's okay. When it's the night before Father's Day and you just want to get home early...it's all worth it.

Very well said. As enthusiasts on this board, we like variety. We enjoy seeing new airlines & new aircraft types come to our local airport. However, this tends to skew our perception of what ought to be.

I can't honestly blame legacy carriers for trying to protect their revenue base by placing high barriers to entry to competitors. There are only a couple of instances I can remember where I've felt competition went over the top and both times it was legacy vs. legacy. Specificially, some of the things that American did to hasten Braniff I's demise in the early 80's and some of the tactics United used against Continental at Denver later in the 80's. Beyond that, a new entrant into a hub city ought to reckon with a period of retialiation from the hubbing cariier and figure that into their business plan. If they don't, it's really their own fault.

I'm from Pittsburgh and would love to see that nice airport built up to capacity again with a variety of carriers, but, in all likelihood, it isn't going to happen. For my part, I try to fly AirTran or Southwest when I fly there from MCO. Not that US cares what I do.

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RE: JetBlue's Pullback Stokes Fears Over Fares

Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:43 am

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 31):
But youd also be surprised at just how many companies avoid LCCs or niche airlines like B6 like the plague. Say your going to LAX or BKK or LGW...B6 cannot nor will EVER get you there (well maybe LAX if the landing gear gets stuck again, LOL), BUT the networks can

I agree that JetBlue will not get you to a lot of destinations - though do keep in mind that code share partnerships are starting to pop up, such as the formally announced Cape Air and the developing Aer Lingus. And as far as I know, a lot of cartel carriers don't fly to some cities that JetBlue flies to - such as PCE, BQN, STI, LGB. (And as far as your LAX comment goes...JetBlue is starting SFO in May, so LAX may not be far behind.)

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 31):
Also, doing PIT-JFK-LGB is not exactly an efficient schedule when you have a multi-million dollar deal waiting to be negotiated and signed, and NO amount of free in eat TV orblue tortila chips can do anything about that.

I don't really get what you're trying to say here. To get from PIT to LGB, you'll have to connect no matter what airline you take (and there are only 3 that can possibly get you there, one being JetBlue).

And as far as I know, JetBlue's PIT-JFK schedule is pretty well timed to please business travelers who "have a multi-million dollar deal waiting to be negotiated and signed". If you're a US elite, sorry man - you'll have to connect in CLT to get to JFK.  Wink

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RE: JetBlue's Pullback Stokes Fears Over Fares

Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:11 am

Quoting Richierich (Reply 10):
I think you forgot to mention that your CEO has appeared on Letterman, but the US CEO has only appeared in a mugshot.

I wouldn't be so proud of that Letterman appearance......all he said over and over again was "we're sorry it won't happen again".... felt bad for the guy, he couldn't answer anything....
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RE: JetBlue's Pullback Stokes Fears Over Fares

Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:22 am

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 33):
I don't really get what you're trying to say here. To get from PIT to LGB, you'll have to connect no matter what airline you take (and there are only 3 that can possibly get you there, one being JetBlue).

I was using the PIT-Los Angeles market for an example. I was saying why would you do B6 to LGB (plus waiting in JFK AND in traffic in SoCal) to get to LAX? PIT also has its fair share of DL/CO/NW Elites as well, they dont necessarily have to wait for US or B6 to take them anywhere.
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Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:47 am

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 35):
I was using the PIT-Los Angeles market for an example. I was saying why would you do B6 to LGB (plus waiting in JFK AND in traffic in SoCal) to get to LAX?

I know you were. But then again, not everyone going to LA or SoCal finds LAX to be the most convenient; perhaps LGB is more convenient, depending on the traveler...

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 35):
PIT also has its fair share of DL/CO/NW Elites as well, they dont necessarily have to wait for US or B6 to take them anywhere.

That's true as well, but then your "convenient schedule" argument wouldn't work; those Elite members would have to connect just as they would have to connect with B6.

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Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:50 am

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 36):
That's true as well, but then your "convenient schedule" argument wouldn't work; those Elite members would have to connect just as they would have to connect with B6.

It could, just think of all the hubs that those carriers serve from PIT... it all depends on where your business is so who knows....
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Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:54 am

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 36):
That's true as well, but then your "convenient schedule" argument wouldn't work; those Elite members would have to connect just as they would have to connect with B6.

But again, those Elites will sacrifice a 40 minute connection to stay Elite...
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RE: JetBlue's Pullback Stokes Fears Over Fares

Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:01 am

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 38):
But again, those Elites will sacrifice a 40 minute connection to stay Elite...

If it gives you privledges that make it worth your while, yes...espc when tied with other services that airline provides. So once you're elite and bought into a particular program, you get things like: clubs with internet, food, drinks, showers, etc at major hubs. Customer service lines dedicated to elites that let you make itinerary changes and book flights when on the go. Partnerships with other airlines that let you acrue benefits even when you're going somewhere they don't service.

These are things that matter to people who fly 100,000 miles a year want. LCC's don't provide that. I'm not saying they don't have their place, but all you people decrying the average business traveler are wearing your "enthusiast" hats, not your "sane people who don't want to be in miserable in airports all their lives" hats.
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RE: JetBlue's Pullback Stokes Fears Over Fares

Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:09 am

Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 37):
It could, just think of all the hubs that those carriers serve from PIT... it all depends on where your business is so who knows....

Right. But if you're a UA elite who lives in PIT, and you need to get to JFK because you have a client in Jamaica, NY, you may just take JetBlue. UA would require a connection in IAD, where you'd have to fly to LGA (and then drive further to Jamaica) since not even one of their express carriers offers IAD-JFK. So pay $29 to fly JetBlue? Or spend more to fly UA, spend time connecting (and then driving further to your final destination)? Of course this is just an example, and I'm sure it isn't the most popular of situations, but there are similar situations that are plausible and I'm sure happen everyday.

The point is thay yes, being of elite status is great. But it still may be more convenient to take JetBlue over your "carrier of preference" so to speak.

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