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Ridiculous 777 Configuration

Wed Jul 26, 2000 3:45 am

In all this sadness over the Concorde incident, I found something very funny (not intended to be by BA, but it still is). Take a look at this 777 configuration. I'd hate to sit in that for a long flight: http://www.britishairways.com/flights/factfile/seatplan/docs/boeing777.shtml
 
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RE: Ridiculous 777 Configuration

Wed Jul 26, 2000 3:52 am

NO WAY! 3x4x3 on a 777! Argh! I wouldn't like to be on that plane!

What routes does BA use these cattle cars on?

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RE: Ridiculous 777 Configuration

Wed Jul 26, 2000 3:53 am

what a stupid configuration! Is this plane used for charters or something? For gosh sakes, it isnt a 747! Its probably horribly cramped! Good thing im flying BA 747-200 from DTW-LHR instead.
 
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RE: Ridiculous 777 Configuration

Wed Jul 26, 2000 3:57 am

Emirates fly their 777s in a 3-4-3 configuration too. The 777 cabin is just slightly narrower than a 747's, so its probably not too bad.
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RE: Ridiculous 777 Configuration

Wed Jul 26, 2000 4:29 am

I've flown on Malaysia B772 which has very
uncomfortable configuration 2x5x2, and unfortunately
I was seated JUST in the middle! The worst configuration that could be for 13h flight - 3x3x3 is much better. You must ask 2 people every time you
want to go to lavatory, from both sides! It was annoying.

regards,
Matej Sabol -Concorde victims R.I.P.-
 
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RE: Ridiculous 777 Configuration

Wed Jul 26, 2000 4:31 am

When in a 3x4x3 configuration such as on BA's "Tropical" 777's, the seats are the exact same width as the A340/A330--17.3". Hardly cramped.

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L
 
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RE: Ridiculous 777 Configuration

Wed Jul 26, 2000 4:39 am

Sabol
in 3x3x3 at the both window seats you have to ask 2 people to move - in a 2x5x2 arrangement there is only one person per row in that situation, vs 2 people per row in a 3x3x3 config

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777x
 
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RE: Ridiculous 777 Configuration

Wed Jul 26, 2000 4:40 am

I believe the only thing that is really affected when an operator goes to a 10 abreast config in a 777 is that the aisles are marginally narrower. Otherwise the seat width should remain the same... give or take half an inch.
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RE: Ridiculous 777 Configuration

Wed Jul 26, 2000 4:43 am

I think that the 3x3x3 is much better than the 2x5x2. I flew in the center of the 2x5x2 on DC-10s, MD-11s, L-1011s and 777s trans altantic, transcon and trans pacific on AA md-11, 777, DC-10, CO DC-10 , TWA L-1011, Delta L-1011 MD-11,etc it is not comfortable at all. Atleast with 3x3x3 you are one seat away from the aisle or window. I would really like it if airlines went for 2x4x3 like KLM and swissair did with their MD-11s. the 2x5x2 sardine config has got to go!!!
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RE: Ridiculous 777 Configuration

Wed Jul 26, 2000 4:51 am

777x,
that is clear to me, but in 2x5x2 is bigger chance to
sit in the middle 5-seat column, and as I said (wrote),
I was siting in the very middle seat, so I had to ask 2
people, not 1 as by the window (and it's always better
to sit by the window! ).

regards,
Matej Sabol
 
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RE: Ridiculous 777 Configuration

Wed Jul 26, 2000 5:09 am

I'm surprised they didn't try to fit another '7' into that 777.
 
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RE: Ridiculous 777 Configuration

Wed Jul 26, 2000 6:06 am

Wouldn't call that configuration "ridiculous". Experienced it on EK many times, no different to standard Y-class comfort.
 
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RE: Ridiculous 777 Configuration

Wed Jul 26, 2000 6:17 am

3-4-3 what a horror   .
I will enjoy my flight next Saturday on a SR A 330-200: 2-4-2  
 
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RE: Ridiculous 777 Configuration

Wed Jul 26, 2000 6:44 am

I thought this topic was about a 777 configuration of 3-4-3 (i.e 10 abreast) as opposed to the standard 9 abreast seating (whether in a 2-5-2, or 3-3-3). I think we've heard enough statistical ramblings of the virtues of 3-3-3 viz a viz 2-5-2 on this site to last us a lifetime.

As Tailscraper said, it's hardly ridiculous. May result in narrower aisles or a marginally narrower seat, but not by much.
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RE: Ridiculous 777 Configuration

Wed Jul 26, 2000 7:15 am

I actually work on this particular aircraft, and it is fine!!

Yes you're right the aisles are narrower, but it looks much worse in a picture than in reality.

The legroom isn't affected at all, The BA DC-10's were all configured 3-4-3 or 2-5-2 and the 777 is wider.(the DC-10 used to operate these routes)

It is a great aircraft to work on although it is very busy because of the sheer number of pax carried.

There is no first class, 28 Club World and 355 World Traveller.

There are three aircraft in this config and they fly to:
KIN
MBJ
ANU
UVF
CUN
TPA
TAB
GND
HAV

All these route have been deemed to be unprofitable using first class during the summer as they are primarily leisure routes and they compete with all the UK charter airlines and Virgin 747 3-4-3. Almost all the flights are absolutely chocker block full and over booked all the time. If they put any other config on, they could not meet the demand.

All seats have the pvt's with 12 channels, legroom of between 31-33 inches coach and a recline of 5 degrees it was 7 degrees but it was way to much.

Service runs smooth and there are enough facilites for all, so until you try it don't knock it!!!   

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RE: Ridiculous 777 Configuration

Wed Jul 26, 2000 7:26 am

When I fly all I care about is elbow/shoulder room. If I sat there with my elbows tucked into my ribcage for6+ hours I am sure I would became one of those airrage incidents.

Do they have special carts for those 3-4-3 777's?

 
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CZ Aka China Southern

Wed Jul 26, 2000 12:16 pm

Actually, the 3-4-3 configuration ain't that bad at all...I flew on a CZ 777, and it was quite comfortable....
 
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RE: Ridiculous 777 Configuration

Wed Jul 26, 2000 12:58 pm

As an interesting sidenote, during the design of the 777 Cathay Pacific was strongly in favor of a slightly wider cabin to support a ten-abreast setup, however CX operates their 777's in a 9 abreast setup... I remeber reading in Aviation Week that they found that the aisles would be too narrow for their liking when it came to servicing passengers onboard. But that is purely an operational decision by each individual operator. All in all it only makes the aisles marginally narrower and the seats slightly narrower.

Though one thing I do find interesting is that Asian and Middle Eastern operators really pack them in on the 777s... around 350 in a -200, while US operators barely put 300 in them, even UA's 2 class 777s just seat around 320, and AA doesn't have more than 240 or so seats on board.

One more thing that I find amusing... people bitch and moan over narrowbodies on long haul flights and then turn around and bitch and moan over a 2-5-2 or 3-4-3 setup on widebodies... seems some people will never be happy.
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RE: Ridiculous 777 Configuration

Wed Jul 26, 2000 1:21 pm

FLY777UAL is right, according to the boeing web site, 3-4-3 on the 777 has the same comfort as the 2-4-2 on the A-330-340, and to those complaining about the 2-5-2, when have you ever had to sit in the middle? If it is so bad, most airlines will let you trade seats if you get that seat. The only time I have been in the middle of the five was when I was with two friends, we had the isle to the middle seat, and another time with my family when we occupied all five middle seats. Most people that are booked in that middle seat are sitting next to at least one friend. So that only leaves maybe one person to bother when getting up.
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RE: Ridiculous 777 Configuration

Thu Jul 27, 2000 12:37 am

There may be no problem with seat comfort, but nobody I know likes middle seats. On a BA 777 that is 3-4-3, remember there are 4 middle seats in a row, compared to three for mostly any other carrier.
 
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RE: Ridiculous 777 Configuration

Thu Jul 27, 2000 1:45 am

I think that the Asian carriers pack more passengers in their 777s than US carriers because the Asian 777s are configured for medium haul regional routes whereas the US operators fly their 777s on long range flights. Thus,many asian carriers configure their 777s on such routes in only 2 classes with the Business class sections being relatively small or more packed. US operators like AA and UA fly their 777s on long range routes in 3-class configs. DL & CO do fly them in 2 class configs but their J class is an upgraded quasi First class product and the cabins tend to be larger. THe only Mideastern carrier that packs em in on a 777 is Emirates, but they offer good legroom (Something US carriers do not) and they overcome the tight 10-abreast seating by superior service standards.

In any case, I'd rather be on a tightly packed 777 on a transatlantic flight than on a tightly packed 757 any day !
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RE: Ridiculous 777 Configuration

Thu Jul 27, 2000 2:19 am

Even on a 747 the 3-4-3 seating is to cramped and horrible, in a 777 ist must be worse, I would never take it. The economy class of all airlines in our days are cruel and a cheek. When I can afford it, I avoid this cattle class. If you pack animals like this, animal welfare societies would sue you. I remeber these happy days when Swissair had in its DC 10 only a 2-4-2 seating (at beginning 1970s).
I am sure that airlines won't put gyms or things like this into an A 3XX, but I hope they give passenger a little more room.

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