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Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:39 am

Randy Baseler, Boeing VP of Marketing for Commerical Aircraft, announces on his blog that he will retire on April 30th 2007:

http://boeingblogs.com/randy/archive.../03/goodbye_yellow_brick_road.html
 
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:43 am

Wow, loved his blogs. I hope Boeing get's someone to take over his reigns that can do an equally good job at marketing.
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:44 am

Wow that is quick, April 30th? For a VP, that's not much transition time their for the new guy is it? Anybody on the inside have any more information?
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:44 am

Since many on this board consider Randy and John Leahy twins, maybe we can persuade John to take both jobs?!??
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:46 am

What a pity I really liked his blog !
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:47 am

Randy's a bit of a star in the aviation world... I wish him all the best in the future. As he said, it's good to retire at the top of your game - many don't get to do that. Kudos Randy, and thanks!
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:47 am

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 3):
Since many on this board consider Randy and John Leahy twins, maybe we can persuade John to take both jobs?!??

Maybe we can persuade John to retire too!
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:50 am

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 6):
Maybe we can persuade John to retire too!

do they know each other??
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:53 am

I'll write the blog! Where do I send my resume/CV?  Wink
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:57 am

Can you imagine the furor if Boeing hired John Leahy away from Airbus?
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:02 am

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 9):
Can you imagine the furor if Boeing hired John Leahy away from Airbus?

Actually it might be the best move that John Leahy makes!!!!! Get off the sinking ship now while there's a life vest and a life boat. It might rankle a few Boeing peple but not as much as it wold rankle a whole lot of Airbus folk.

In the end he won't go there because of bad blood and because he would demand a senior position that Boeing isn't prepared to give.

[Edited 2007-03-09 21:33:59]
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:07 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 10):
Get off the sinking ship

Haha ,sinking ship ,you´re kidding right ?
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:13 am

Well Boeing has a mandatory retirement age of 65 so Randy would be retiring just as Y1 was rolling into service and Y3 was being "design shopped" to customers. With the entire product line doing well and sold out till the next decade, now is a good time for Randy to step aside and let someone else come in and get up to speed. That way, they will be ready to start shopping Y1 and Y3 to customers.
 
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:14 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 11):
Haha ,sinking ship ,you´re kidding right ?

At the very least it's rudderless and heading full speed into a field of icebergs.
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:18 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 11):
Haha ,sinking ship ,you´re kidding right ?

No, he's not kidding, as your German countrymen can attest!
Anyhoo, I seriously hope someone keeps up the blog. It's been an interesting source of information, and many a.net threads have their origins in Randy's words!
Heck, he's even admitted to reading this forum. He MUST be a cool guy. Or a nerd, maybe...  Smile
 
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:23 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 13):
At the very least it's rudderless and heading full speed into a field of icebergs.

Boeing was in a similar situation 4 years ago , do you remember all Airbus Guys in this years?
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:23 am

Randy came and talked to my marketing class at WSU (go cougs!) a few years back. It was a really interesting presentation and was very memorable. Wishing him the best in retirement.
 
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:29 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 15):
Boeing was in a similar situation 4 years ago

You forgot to add that the 747 was delayed too...  Yeah sure
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:31 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 13):
At the very least it's rudderless and heading full speed into a field of icebergs

Randy doesn't work for Airbus....

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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:32 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 15):
Boeing was in a similar situation 4 years ago , do you remember all Airbus Guys in this years?

Totally different. Boeing didn't have the govt or the unions breathing down their necks. They had manufacturing issues which needed to be sorted out. Airbus' problems run a whole lot deeper then supply chain trying to keep up with the increase in production which was Boeing's problem.

Airbus' needs to make massive costs cuts (including labor) as well as outsource and reduce plants. Boeing did this easily without interference. Not going to be the same for Airbus andif anything it's going to extremely hard fo them to implement Power 8. The result will be a continued high cost base compared to Boeing.
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:37 am

Only 58 years old. A good age to start enjoying the "golden years".

Any truth to the rumor Boeing will actually cryogenically freeze Randy in VCV and take him out of storage if/when things go sour in 5 to 10 years?

[Edited 2007-03-09 21:56:36]
 
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:10 am

Good. I wasn't a fan of his "blog" and I'm happy to see him go.
Now it's Leahy's turn. He needs to go as well.

What both Boeing and Airbus need are people that actually follow the code of business ethics while selling their company's products. Neither Randy "The Face" or Johnny "The Big Mouth" was following it.
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:49 am

Sad to see him go, I really enjoyed reading his blogs
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:06 am

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 21):
What both Boeing and Airbus need are people that actually follow the code of business ethics while selling their company's products. Neither Randy "The Face" or Johnny "The Big Mouth" was following it.

Exactly what business ethic codes did Baseler break?
 
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sat Mar 10, 2007 9:18 am

Glad for him that he looks like making it to retirement in one piece. I suspect that he'll be missed on here by pretty well everyone, not just the Boeing adherents. I did read somewhere that he had some health problems earlier in his career - if so, it makes even more sense to 'quit while you're ahead.'

Randy wasn't (isn't) the direct equivalent of Leahy - his job is more general marketing than actual sales. I believe that Scott Carson had charge of sales until he recently became CEO.

Only problem is Randy talking about 'riding off into the sunset.' Someone better tell him that you wouldn't want to go too far in that direction, starting from Seattle.....  Smile
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sat Mar 10, 2007 10:27 am

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 25):
Only problem is Randy talking about 'riding off into the sunset.' Someone better tell him that you wouldn't want to go too far in that direction, starting from Seattle..... Smile

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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sat Mar 10, 2007 2:30 pm

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 5):
As he said, it's good to retire at the top of your game

That in itself is quite a feat since most people don't know how to recognize when they are at the top of their game.

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 6):
Maybe we can persuade John to retire too!

If Leahy was supposed to retire at the top of his game then he's about two years too late. And unfortunately for him, it will be about a decade before he and Airbus will be able to be back on top. Not sure he's got the stamina and I'm not sure it would be in Airbus' best interests for him to stick around for another decade.
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:00 pm

Leahy might be a big mouth but he's one hell of a salesman. He can sell an A320 to NAV20 and Jacobin777.  biggrin 
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:35 pm

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 10):
In the end he won't go there because of bad blood and because he would demand a senior position that Boeing isn't prepared to give.

I think he (Johnny) can be the lead polisher of the nacells on all those new B-737NGs.

I agree with you guys here, Randy is the best, and I wish him well.
 
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:28 pm

Quoting Mham001 (Reply 23):
Exactly what business ethic codes did Baseler break?

The one that says never to publish a false data about your competitor's product. Recently he did that with range claims of A350XWB.
Leahy got his own sins, too.

Anyway, I personally never listen to anything they say and make my own judgement which product is better based on the proven track record of airline service - not on the powerpoint slideshows.
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:34 pm

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 31):
The one that says never to publish a false data about your competitor's product. Recently he did that with range claims of A350XWB.

How is it false? People other than him also ran Airbus's power-point numbers into their spreadsheets and came up with the answer that they were full of shit on something, or they are somehow finding a massive increase in efficiency not explained in their power-point presentation.

Its most clear when you compared the A350XWB with its older counterpart when both used AL-Li construction. The A350 grew significantly in diameter and passenger load, yet somehow kept the same OEW, range, etc. It on the very face of it made no sense. Boeing had to update the numbers for the 787 for just a simple change of 9 passengers vs 8 per row in economy. It drives up the OEW, and pulls down the range. Yet somehow the A350XWB avoided that completely.

My guess is that the A350XWB from first presentation till now has NOT had accurate marketing materials as it seems like the marketing was running way far ahead of the engineering to predict the baseline numbers. It can happen, its not really wrong in anyway, but it leads to people who CAN run the numbers finding glaring issues with the "as presented" design specs.

You might note that apparently Airbus hasn't gotten their numbers together enough for contracting till just now, what 6? months after they release the power-point design of it? I don't expect the public numbers to really solidify till a good bit from now when marketing has been sat down and given what they need to release from the engineers, instead of the other way around.
 
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:40 pm

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 9):
Can you imagine the furor if Boeing hired John Leahy away from Airbus

That would be hilarious!!!!

I wish Randy all the best in retirement.

In the meantime it looks like this has become another A v. B thread  Yeah sure
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sat Mar 10, 2007 9:52 pm

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 35):
Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 31):The one that says never to publish a false data about your competitor's product. Recently he did that with range claims of A350XWB.
How is it false? People other than him also ran Airbus's power-point numbers into their spreadsheets and came up with the answer that they were full of shit on some

Source, please?
I have not seen anybody else quoting the numbers Baseler came up with in regard to real range vs. marketed range of A350WXB. I'm pretty sure somebody from at least EK or QR would do that, as they are most vocal about airplanes fitting (or not) their needs.
Sorry, but as it stands now, I call it a BS on Baseler's part - until there is more evidence from outside of A or B.
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:19 am

btw, might he be a swiss? a basler maybe  Wink
 
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:28 am

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 33):
Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 35):
Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 31):The one that says never to publish a false data about your competitor's product. Recently he did that with range claims of A350XWB.
How is it false? People other than him also ran Airbus's power-point numbers into their spreadsheets and came up with the answer that they were full of shit on some

Source, please?

Well, given the search engine here is useless as a tool for more than finding random threads 1/2 off topic, That rules out finding the couple of quality posts about it that I recall once existing back in the day.

And so far I haven't found much on the A350XWB other than the airbus press release rewritten and some basic reactions from ILFC and others with the typical "looks nice we will see when its more firmed up" quotes.

So for now, lets change that to "I've allways questioned the range of the A350XWB as published by Airbus at its announcement, and I recall that others have said the same, but am looking for quotes or links of quality to prove that"

It does look like the A350-800 => A350XWB-800 dropped 600KM range and A350-900 => A350XWB-900 apparently gained 1,800nm range or so thanks to a greater MTOW.

That said... found this link
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles.../why-new-wing-is-key-a350-xwb.html

about the A350XWB-1000 gaining 5tons MTOW and still dropping in range.
 
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sun Mar 11, 2007 2:58 am

So far, all numbers printed or quoted are pure speculation. Not even Airbus has accurate numbers until the design is firmed up so Im not understanding why Baselers' opinions would be labeled "unethical".
 
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sun Mar 11, 2007 3:27 am

is he an a.net member?
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:29 am

Quoting Mham001 (Reply 35):
So far, all numbers printed or quoted are pure speculation. Not even Airbus has accurate numbers until the design is firmed up so Im not understanding why Baselers' opinions would be labeled "unethical".

Yep. The 787 numbers are also just speculation, though at this stage of design, they will be close.

I remember the same bitching about Randy and the 748F vs. A380F. Even Airbus tried to say Randy was lying and such.

Thing is, the 748F is selling, the A380F is dead. Maybe Randy was right...  Wink
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:27 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 19):
Totally different. Boeing didn't have the govt or the unions breathing down their necks. They had manufacturing issues which needed to be sorted out. Airbus' problems run a whole lot deeper then supply chain trying to keep up with the increase in production which was Boeing's problem.

Airbus' needs to make massive costs cuts (including labor) as well as outsource and reduce plants. Boeing did this easily without interference. Not going to be the same for Airbus andif anything it's going to extremely hard fo them to implement Power 8. The result will be a continued high cost base compared to Boeing.

Plus, after Power 8 they will still have 2 CEO's. Totally insane, IMO.
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:47 am

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 27):
Leahy might be a big mouth but he's one hell of a salesman. He can sell an A320 to NAV20 and Jacobin777.  biggrin 

Hey, while he might be able to sell an A320 to NAV20 and I, he's your mentor..... Wink

....getting back to the subject, I hope they replace someone who's as "internet friendly" as he is......
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RE: Randy Baseler To Retire From Boeing

Sun Mar 11, 2007 9:18 pm

Back on topic, I wish Randy the best. He seems to be a class act, and he will be missed, both inside Boeing and in the industry as well.

To Randy, I would say "Well done, sir, and safe travels."