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lapper
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UA 777's Parked At LHR?

Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:47 am

For the past few days this week, there have been 2 UA 777's parked up at LHR. One is by the BA maintenance area, the other is by the bmi hangar. Does anyone know why they're there?
 
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RE: UA 777's Parked At LHR?

Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:48 am

I have no clue but thats strange. If they are undergoing maintenance, they should EITHER be in bmi or BA but not both? I guess they wont sign a contract with both companies for maintenance in LHR right?
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RE: UA 777's Parked At LHR?

Sat Mar 10, 2007 10:17 am

I am told both aircraft are seriously damaged and are being repaired by Boeing. One of them had an electrical fire which besides damaging wiring also damaged aircraft skin. The other apparently has a damaged (dented?) horizontal stab.
 
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RE: UA 777's Parked At LHR?

Sat Mar 10, 2007 1:46 pm

Quoting TropicBird (Reply 2):
I am told both aircraft are seriously damaged and are being repaired by Boeing. One of them had an electrical fire which besides damaging wiring also damaged aircraft skin. The other apparently has a damaged (dented?) horizontal stab.

How the heck did two mishaps happen to wto UA 777's without anybody mentioning it here in the forum? More importantly, how/when did the damages happen?
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RE: UA 777's Parked At LHR?

Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:47 pm

I was quite surprised that no-one else had posted the question on here earlier. I thought it was strange when I saw one parked up at the BA mx area, then I saw the other one parked up. I thought they were parked due to flight timings at first, but when I saw them for a few days in a row, rudder in the same position wrt the BA parked one, I knew something was wrong. Anyone know the reg of these and how the mis-haps happened?
 
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RE: UA 777's Parked At LHR?

Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:17 pm

Quoting TropicBird (Reply 2):
I am told both aircraft are seriously damaged and are being repaired by Boeing. One of them had an electrical fire which besides damaging wiring also damaged aircraft skin. The other apparently has a damaged (dented?) horizontal stab.

This is correct - the first aircraft was departing LHR to SFO, and as it was taxiing smoke was spotted coming from the nosewheel area. Aircraft was evacuated (not using slides however), and is still at LHR being repaired by Boeing.
2nd aircraft was found (upon arrival from ORD) to have a hole in the tail - possibly caused by de-icing equipment. This aircraft too is in process of being repaired. Due to UA's tight aircraft availability, this had led to numerous unplanned cancellations. Fortunately, it's not a hugely busy time of year across the Atlantic.
 
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RE: UA 777's Parked At LHR?

Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:41 pm

Anyone for the regs. of those birds?

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RE: UA 777's Parked At LHR?

Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:54 pm

Anyone know what flights they cancelled?
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RE: UA 777's Parked At LHR?

Sat Mar 10, 2007 9:12 pm

I saw the one that had had the fire a few hours after if had happened. It was parked next to the new control tower for a day or so before being moved.

I was going to take pics of it, but there was hardly any noticable damage so I didn't bother in the end. From what I heard, it was a fire either in the electrical bay beneath the f/deck or something to do with the IFE. Apparantley the Fire Service attened and gave the a/c a good soaking which has no doubt damaged the a/c electrics further. Not sure how true that is, but that was the gossip around LHR the other day.

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RE: UA 777's Parked At LHR?

Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:16 am

Aircraft with the electonics damage will be repaired by BAC, no firm date. The other is FOD damage, not deicer, either on takeoff or landing, something kicked up off runway. Being fixed now, should be back shortly.

Doubt either problem puts UA "down in the pans"
 
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RE: UA 777's Parked At LHR?

Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:04 am

Quoting EKSkycargo370 (Reply 9):

You"ll have to forgive me, but what th hell does that mean? it's not like UA is the only airline to ever suffer an aircraft damage!
 
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RE: UA 777's Parked At LHR?

Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:16 am

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 3):

How the heck did two mishaps happen to wto UA 777's without anybody mentioning it here in the forum?

Lots of incidents happen without making it on here or on the news.
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RE: UA 777's Parked At LHR?

Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:17 am

Apologies for what I wrote earlier,it was not meant in offence.
 
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RE: UA 777's Parked At LHR?

Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:51 am

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 8):
From what I heard, it was a fire either in the electrical bay beneath the f/deck or something to do with the IFE.

Are these kinds of electrical fires common, or is this a "phew, that was close!" type of situation?
 
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RE: UA 777's Parked At LHR?

Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:01 am

I wouldn't think that UA has two B777 "spares" that can be out of service for an extended period of time.

Have they cancelled a frequency somewhere until these planes are repaired?
 
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RE: UA 777's Parked At LHR?

Sun Mar 11, 2007 9:29 am

Quoting IPFreely (Reply 14):
I wouldn't think that UA has two B777 "spares" that can be out of service for an extended period of time.

Have they cancelled a frequency somewhere until these planes are repaired?



Quoting Algoz (Reply 5):
Due to UA's tight aircraft availability, this had led to numerous unplanned cancellations. Fortunately, it's not a hugely busy time of year across the Atlantic.

Do people not read the whole thread these days ?  Yeah sure

Quoting LimaNiner (Reply 13):
Are these kinds of electrical fires common, or is this a "phew, that was close!" type of situation?

I've never heard of it happen to a T7 before. Any kind of a/c fire that is succesfully contained without major loss of life could be considered a "phew that was close!" situation. Especially with little damage to the a/c too.

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RE: UA 777's Parked At LHR?

Sun Mar 11, 2007 9:58 am

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 15):
I've never heard of it happen to a T7 before. Any kind of a/c fire that is successfully contained without major loss of life could be considered a "phew that was close!" situation. Especially with little damage to the a/c too.

It was a serious fire and I understand there have been 7 of these so far (with 777's). It had something to do with the ELMS closet or something like that?? (I'm not very familiar with 777). And yes UAL has been struggling with other grounded 777's.
 
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RE: UA 777's Parked At LHR?

Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:16 am

Not certain where TropicBird is getting info, but "serious" is always subject to one's interpretation. Obviously, on the ground smoke is far less "serious" than inflight.

UAL isn't struggling with any unusual issues with 777's, just the normal things that come with working machinery. Their fleet is large enough to have spares, and with help from the 747's, cover their long haul markets.
 
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RE: UA 777's Parked At LHR?

Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:38 am

Quoting DC8FanJet (Reply 17):
Not certain where TropicBird is getting info, but "serious" is always subject to one's interpretation. Obviously, on the ground smoke is far less "serious" than inflight.

I got my information from a very reliable source. Any fire on-board an aircraft is serious especially one which burns wires and damages the skin of the aircraft such as what happened to this aircraft. All airlines have bad days and UAL is no exception.

BTW...I am a fan of the DC-8 having once worked with them. A good "solid" aircraft.
 
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RE: UA 777's Parked At LHR?

Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:52 pm

Do any of the Saturday or Sunday LHR spotters have some reg info for us?
 
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RE: UA 777's Parked At LHR?

Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:31 pm

Quoting TropicBird (Reply 16):
It was a serious fire and I understand there have been 7 of these so far (with 777's). It had something to do with the ELMS closet or something like that?? (I'm not very familiar with 777). And yes UAL has been struggling with other grounded 777's.

ELMS or Electrical Load Management System controls the electrical loads and power distribution on the aircraft. There have been a few incidences with different operators concerning burning of certain relays and electrical feeder cables (high current). Due to the specific nature of the problems they are only likely to ever occur on the ground. However I can only go on previous incidences as I don't know the details of the UAL aircraft.
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RE: UA 777's Parked At LHR?

Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:03 am

Quoting Zeke (Reply 11):
Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 3):

How the heck did two mishaps happen to wto UA 777's without anybody mentioning it here in the forum?

Lots of incidents happen without making it on here or on the news.

Very true. If you monitor the FAA's daily incident reports on their website, it's a rare week where there aren't several airliners involved in minor ground collisions, being struck by fuel/catering/de-icing trucks, cargo containers etc etc. And that's just in the USA.
 
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RE: UA 777's Parked At LHR?

Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:56 am

Flew in and out of LHR on Saturday and Sunday but couldn't get a reg. Saw that in front of the BMI hangar today there was a UA 772, CX 744, and South African 343...don't know if the others were just remote parking or what

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