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Air Koryo TU-154 Tire Caught Fire During Landing

Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:41 am

According to Chinese press, an Air Koryo TU-154's tires caught fire during landing

The cause was mainly due to the speed of landing and aging tires. The left main gear was affected.

JS151 landed at Beijing on 06MAR 0920LT, when fire occurred. The plane was towed to Terminal 2 and it was put down 10 minutes after.

http://news.sina.com.cn/c/p/2007-03-07/025411353252s.shtml
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RE: Air Koryo TU-154 Tire Caught Fire During Landing

Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:50 am

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
it was put down 10 minutes after.

Did they use lethal injection or did they shoot it?
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RE: Air Koryo TU-154 Tire Caught Fire During Landing

Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:15 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 1):
Did they use lethal injection or did they shoot it?

 rotfl  that's exactly what I was thinking!
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RE: Air Koryo TU-154 Tire Caught Fire During Landing

Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:28 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 1):
Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
it was put down 10 minutes after.

Did they use lethal injection or did they shoot it?

I think the preferred method is a bullet at point blank range to the radome!
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Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:35 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 3):
I think the preferred method is a bullet at point blank range to the radome!

Then they turn it into glue or burgers.
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RE: Air Koryo TU-154 Tire Caught Fire During Landing

Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:46 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 4):
Then they turn it into glue or burgers.

Naaa... Missile casings.
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Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:53 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 5):
Naaa... Missile casings.

Good one!!!

Anyone with pictures???
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RE: Air Koryo TU-154 Tire Caught Fire During Landing

Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:57 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 6):
Anyone with pictures???

The link includes pictures
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RE: Air Koryo TU-154 Tire Caught Fire During Landing

Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:00 am

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 7):
The link includes pictures

They weren't coming up when I clicked the link. I thought someone else had a different one.
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RE: Air Koryo TU-154 Tire Caught Fire During Landing

Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:06 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 1):
Did they use lethal injection or did they shoot it?

Perhaps it'll just "disappear" in true authoritarian-communist style. The last pic of the one guy trying to put the fire out with a jacket is priceless. It's probably the Air Koryo pilot - he'll no doubt have hell to pay when he gets back to the Fatherland!!!


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RE: Air Koryo TU-154 Tire Caught Fire During Landing

Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:08 am

Looks like they didn't use an injection or bullet. They tried to smother it.

What an inhumane way to be put down.

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RE: Air Koryo TU-154 Tire Caught Fire During Landi

Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:12 am

What the !?!? Where is a halon extinguisher when you need one?
 
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RE: Air Koryo TU-154 Tire Caught Fire During Landing

Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:42 am

I'm confused by this - shouldn't there be some fire trucks or something? Do any of those people on bicycles possess firefighting gear? Anywhere else on Earth and a fleet of foam trucks would be there already.

I'd swear that was a 777, with the triple-truck landing gear, other than the captain trying to swat out the fire with a uniform jacket. Or for all we know, maybe he is fanning the flames...

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RE: Air Koryo TU-154 Tire Caught Fire During Landing

Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:04 am

If it was BJS why didnt they have fire engines ??? Seems a bit weird to me . If it was in North Korea it wpuld be understandable . At least it seems the fire was put out and hopefully it will be up and flying again soon .
 
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RE: Air Koryo TU-154 Tire Caught Fire During Landing

Sun Mar 11, 2007 8:41 am

Hi,

The site above has photos of fire trucks on the scene.

Here is the article translated by Google. Appears the fire started upon taxi, when a wheel locked up (if I am reading the translation correctly)
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Sun Mar 11, 2007 8:44 am

Quoting Tundra767 (Reply 12):
What the !?!? Where is a halon extinguisher when you need one?

Aren't they using one on the first picture?

Quoting OA260 (Reply 14):
If it was BJS why didnt they have fire engines ???



Quoting Acidradio (Reply 13):
I'm confused by this - shouldn't there be some fire trucks or something?

How about checking the report and the other pictures as well? You will see, that PEK does have fire engines as well, and yes, also in the DPRK they know what fire engines are.

It looks to me like the order of the picture is wrong on the quoted website. I also doubt that the guy with the jacket would be any crew member. If it happend just after the landing I assume that the crew and the pax would still be inside the airplane?!

Quoting Acidradio (Reply 13):
Flame on. Oh did I say that?

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Sun Mar 11, 2007 9:05 am

Quoting Swissgabe (Reply 16):
It looks to me like the order of the picture is wrong on the quoted website. I also doubt that the guy with the jacket would be any crew member. If it happend just after the landing I assume that the crew and the pax would still be inside the airplane?!

I think he was just JOKING that it was the pilot
 
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RE: Air Koryo TU-154 Tire Caught Fire During Landing

Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:45 am

I'd hate to be the captain that has to call back to his boss in Pyongyang to tell him "we have a little problem, please send another plane".

I wonder what gulag that poor captain is in today?  Smile
 
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RE: Air Koryo TU-154 Tire Caught Fire During Landing

Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:42 pm

For any of you ARFF experts out there, here's a question. If the tires rupture due to the heat, Mr. "Blanket Fire Extinguisher" could be killed, right?
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Sun Mar 11, 2007 1:04 pm

Quoting Acidradio (Reply 13):
I'd swear that was a 777,

The Tu-154 has a triplicate landing gear as well.


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RE: Air Koryo TU-154 Tire Caught Fire During Landing

Sun Mar 11, 2007 3:03 pm

I'm sorry, but this is simply too funny. The picture of the guy swating at the fire is classic.
 
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Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:19 pm

Quoting Dreamflight767 (Reply 21):
I'm sorry, but this is simply too funny. The picture of the guy swating at the fire is classic.

I actually think its very sad !! I know that the USA has its views on North Korea but if it was a AA 777 would we see the same ''funny'' comments!!!! I think not .
 
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Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:54 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 22):
but if it was a AA 777 would we see the same ''funny'' comments

Maybe the jokes wouldn't have a "third world country" twang to them, but there would definitely be jokes. I don't think you'd see an AA or airport employee trying something that stupid.

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Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:05 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 22):
I actually think its very sad !! I know that the USA has its views on North Korea but if it was a AA 777 would we see the same ''funny'' comments!!!! I think not .

If anyone was swating a fire with a sportscoat I'd be laughing, I don't care which airline, what country or what continent. That is funny.
 
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Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:37 am

Why doesn't he just pee on it?

Quoting B707Stu (Reply 24):
Quoting OA260 (Reply 22):
I actually think its very sad !! I know that the USA has its views on North Korea but if it was a AA 777 would we see the same ''funny'' comments!!!! I think not .

If anyone was swating a fire with a sportscoat I'd be laughing, I don't care which airline, what country or what continent. That is funny.

A few months ago, there was a picture of an AA 777 with the captain leaning out the window to grab some paperwork from a CSR who was perched on top of a belt loader that had been raised to the max it could go. You should have seen the comments on that one.
 
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Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:11 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 23):
Maybe the jokes wouldn't have a "third world country" twang to them

Yeah thats what i meant . They are a facsinating airline. So much mystery surrouds them . They are like Interflug in the cold war. Is this one of the few incidents that they have had?? Ive never heard of them having crashes or anything or maybe I just havnt seen them .
 
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Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:25 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 26):
Yeah thats what i meant . They are a facsinating airline. So much mystery surrouds them . They are like Interflug in the cold war. Is this one of the few incidents that they have had?? Ive never heard of them having crashes or anything or maybe I just havnt seen them .

I think they just fly to two cities in China from Pyongyang. IIRC, they discontinued the one domestic route they had because gas prices were just too high on it. Overall, not an airline I would be rushing to fly on, but this is the first incident I have ever heard of. But, since there is no free press in the DPRK, who knows what really happens.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Koryo

I just found that, which does highlight an incident in the 1980s and they are banned from flying in the EU.
 
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Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:31 am

A.net photog Weimeng got a great shot of the action...check out the crew bailing out of the aircraft to put the fire out, not a n emergency vehicle in site?

And what are those dudes in black with the briefcases carrying?

Sweet!


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Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:43 am

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 27):
I think they just fly to two cities in China from Pyongyang. IIRC, they discontinued the one domestic route they had because gas prices were just too high on it. Overall, not an airline I would be rushing to fly on, but this is the first incident I have ever heard of. But, since there is no free press in the DPRK, who knows what really happens.

Beside PEK they also fly from FNJ to SHE, VVO and they resumed a weekly service to BKK. Serviced to KHV have stopped less then 1 year ago. Since long time they don't have any scheduled domestic services and all routes are operated on a charter operation only.

Air Koryo doesn't have a bad safety standard. However, if not mistaken, there was another issue of a broken front gear in PEK a few years ago, also with a TU5.
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Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:00 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 28):
And what are those dudes in black with the briefcases carrying?

Yeah, they're certainly hauling ass toward the main assembly! Perhaps the briefcases had "firefighting equipment" in them! You'd think that with all of the aid the DPRK has received, they won't have any problem replacing the melted tire and brake pads! A Chicago Tribune article published this morning highlights UN cash in the DPRK that has gone unaccounted for. Of note, one of the UNDP programs that the DPRK received funding for was listed as "Human Resource Upgrading to Support Air Traffic Services". Interesting:

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Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:04 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 28):
And what are those dudes in black with the briefcases carrying?

Counterfeit US currency to pay the PEK fire brigade.
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Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:39 am

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 9):




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Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 7):
Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 6):
Anyone with pictures???

The link includes pictures

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Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:57 am

That has to be the madest photo I have ever seen . Those guys must be N Korean diplomats or CIA or something.
 
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Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:39 pm

So after the fire started, these guys ran out of the a/c to fight the fire. What I don't see/understand, did the fire department ever show up to help?

Why didn't those guys grab a fire extinguisher out of the a/c instead of a briefcase and coat?

Lastly, is a ladder standard equipment Air Koryo carries? If so, is this the only form of evacuation equipment on the type of a/c, a ladder?

I am just trying to understand.
 
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Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:11 pm

Quoting Bimmerkid19 (Reply 32):
Wow! Goodness Gracious Great Balls of Fire!

My sentiments exactly! It looks, from the pictures, that the fire is coming from the brakes. If thats true... ( I have heard, and cannot confirm....) Some brakes contain a magnesium alloy which needs either AFFF or the stuff @ the gate that I think may be Halon. When I was with FX, there was a big extinguisher @ every gate. This was suppused to be used till ARFF Equip. Arrived.
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Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:13 pm

Quoting Dreamflight767 (Reply 34):
Lastly, is a ladder standard equipment Air Koryo carries? If so, is this the only form of evacuation equipment on the type of a/c, a ladder?

Unless the ladder isn't telescopic, which it doesn't seem to be, it's unlikely they could fit it into the aircraft, i.e. it was probably brought there by a ramp worker.

And the Tu-154 has emergency slides for evacuation, they probably just didn't find it necessary to deploy these for such a small fire.

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Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:48 pm

No wonders Air Koryo has been blacklisted by the EU and not allowed to operate to/from and in the European Union...these kinds of mishaps makes you wonder how their maintenance is performed...

Think these guys are Secret Service people, since they wear no uniform...
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Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:05 pm

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 28):
And what are those dudes in black with the briefcases carrying?

Sweet!

The codes for the nukes in the cargo hold, what else?  Smile
 
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Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:43 pm

Quoting Swissgabe (Reply 29):
Air Koryo doesn't have a bad safety standard. However, if not mistaken, there was another issue of a broken front gear in PEK a few years ago, also with a TU5.

It would take them 50 years to tally up enough flights to make any meaningful statistical comparison to a Western or Asian airline; sounds like they probably only have 1 or two flights in the air on any given day. The Concorde went from having the best to one of the worst safety records in one crash, since it flew so few hours and the fleet was so small.

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Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:02 pm

The Captain will probably be executed upon his return to Pyongyang.
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Sun Mar 18, 2007 2:13 pm

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
According to Chinese press, an Air Koryo TU-154's tires caught fire during landing

That does not agree with the text on the photo in reply 28 "P-561 (cn 83A573) The brake was set before the aircraft taxi into its postion. Huge amount of energy was concentrated when the pilots want to move the aircraft using throttle. The brake was locked and ground crew decied to tow the aircraft into postion and suddenly, the left gear caught fire due to the extreme temperature."
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Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:00 pm

I'm sorry but the number of sarcastic comments about this I find very sick. Okay so nobody was injured, but as others have said if it was an AA 777 that caught fire landing at DFW not only would we be on thread number 3 by now but if any non-Yank were to make any sarcastic comment they would be flamed to death by the Yanks.

Show a little respect guys - would you still be laughing if this aircraft had crashed and all 150 Koreans onboard were killed? Obviously so.
 
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Sun Mar 18, 2007 7:01 pm

Quoting Noelg (Reply 42):
I'm sorry but the number of sarcastic comments about this I find very sick. Okay so nobody was injured, but as others have said if it was an AA 777 that caught fire landing at DFW not only would we be on thread number 3 by now but if any non-Yank were to make any sarcastic comment they would be flamed to death by the Yanks.

Show a little respect guys - would you still be laughing if this aircraft had crashed and all 150 Koreans onboard were killed? Obviously so.

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Quoting BeechNut (Reply 39):
It would take them 50 years to tally up enough flights to make any meaningful statistical comparison to a Western or Asian airline; sounds like they probably only have 1 or two flights in the air on any given day. The Concorde went from having the best to one of the worst safety records in one crash, since it flew so few hours and the fleet was so small.

Right when it comes to statistics, I only wanted to say that I have heard/read that Air Koryo does have a reliable maintenance and does have a good reputation when it comes to security compared to other carriers on the "same level".
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RE: Air Koryo TU-154 Tire Caught Fire During Landing

Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:06 pm

Looks like overheated brake linings to me. I distinctly remember a testbed 777 with bogies blazing away after a manual braking test. Honestly, has anyone ever seen a rubber tire burning with absolutely zero black smoke?

Quoting Noelg (Reply 42):
I'm sorry but the number of sarcastic comments about this I find very sick.

Totally and completely agree. Seeing American flags beside these comments is quite embarassing. Remember fellas....this is an international community, and as such you are de facto representatives of your country....and should behave as such.

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Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:58 am

Quoting MH017 (Reply 37):
No wonders Air Koryo has been blacklisted by the EU and not allowed to operate to/from and in the European Union...these kinds of mishaps makes you wonder how their maintenance is performed...

I don't see how a fire caused by overheating the brakes has anything to do with their maintenance. Look at their aircraft, they are in splendid condition!
 
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Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:17 am

I'd agree, I noticed immediately how clean the wheels were - I don't think I've ever seen wheels that clean.

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Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:31 am

Quoting Sovietjet (Reply 45):
I don't see how a fire caused by overheating the brakes has anything to do with their maintenance. Look at their aircraft, they are in splendid condition!

If you read reports of people that actually flew the airline, it would be pretty obvious why they aren't considered safety oriented. Some trip reports mentioned there was no flight attendant jump seats - the flight attendants just stood in the galley and held onto whatever was attached to the ground/wall.
 
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Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:10 am

Quoting Noelg (Reply 42):
would you still be laughing if this aircraft had crashed and all 150 Koreans onboard were killed? Obviously so.

Just a wee bit too much on the drama scale there buddy. The plane didn't crash, no one got hurt. Take a deep breath.

This is so keystone cops it's funny, I don't care whose name is on the hardware. You pull up a T7 here at DFW and get some guys swatting a tire with a sportscoat and briefcase and I'll laugh just as hard at that. Then I'll take the news video, edit it a bit, put the Benny Hill chase music on it and release it to YouTube.
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RE: Air Koryo TU-154 Tire Caught Fire During Landing

Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:11 pm

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 44):
Totally and completely agree. Seeing American flags beside these comments is quite embarassing. Remember fellas....this is an international community, and as such you are de facto representatives of your country....and should behave as such.

Consider me suitably chastened. Fr. O'Malley has sentenced me to eat kimchee every day for a month and say three hail marys and make a damn good act of contrition. Fr. O'Malley did not say where to get asbestos shorts though.

All kidding aside what you're seeing here is possibly some of the rubber parts catching fire from the brake pack generating a lot of heat-which fits in with the idea of dragging the aircraft with brakes applied.

And what one poster says about exploding tires is very true-this is a most dangerous condition. This calls for a lot of CO2 really fast.
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