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Has AA Upgraded Its Transcon F Service Yet?

Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:31 am

I need to book JFK-SFO around July 5th for a college mega-reunion, and looked at AA as I'm on BA miles. However, I do remember my disappointing EWR-LAX 757 trips last year, and wonder if the 762's and 763's feature a better F than found on the 757s. I loved my UA p.s. flights in Biz and hoped that AA F would be decent on it's transcon flights.

What can I expect on AA's Transcon F JFK-SFO then? Should I just 'fuggedaboutit' and book UA p.s.?

Many Thanks.
 
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RE: Has AA Upgraded Its Transcon F Service Yet?

Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:00 am

If you are using BA miles certainly go for the 762 since in terms of miles there is no difference between redeeming for 762 or 763. The 762 is five across in F with 60" pitch whilst the 763 is six across in F with 60" also. There is a chance you'd get the new version of the Business Class seat which is being installed across the 763 fleet. Personally for a dayflight I suspect the 762 is still preferable as it gives you acres of room in row 3.

Bear in mind that I think using BA miles for this trip is pretty expensive, especially bearing in mind that you could use a similar amount for a proper international F ticket with BA and get your moneys worth from a mileage standpoint. UA p.s. seems popular on here so I suspect you'll get a few pointers there, can't comment on it as I've not flown UA p.s. F. I'm considering it later in the year though...

As for the 762 on a dayflight expect something similar to this, apparently the dinner meals are much better.
AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics) (by Fbgdavidson Jul 12 2006 in Trip Reports)
The improvements since I wrote this report are slight...

[Edited 2007-03-12 02:09:44]
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RE: Has AA Upgraded Its Transcon F Service Yet?

Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:11 am

As a regular transcon flyer, I have yet to see improvements on AA's 762s. Only changes in recent months has been a slight improvement in meal services with the return of items which had disappeared in recent years with all the cuts.

From reading American Airlines PR release regarding the upgrades it states;

Customers will begin seeing the enhancements as early as summer 2007. The upgrade will be implemented in a phased approach, beginning with new inflight entertainment and updated interiors and will be followed by:
o Upgraded, fully motorized seats in the First Class cabin -- offering customers greater seat flexibility to assure comfort.
o The addition of one First Class seat per aircraft, made possible by utilizing currently unused space and additional space made available by the installation of the new and smaller digital inflight entertainment system. American will gain almost 11,000 additional First Class seats annually in the New York to Los Angeles and New York to San Francisco transcontinental markets..
o Updated interior throughout the aircraft for a lighter and brighter look including new upholstery, carpeting and lighter "basket-weave" sidewalls.


So it would seem you are not very likely to end up with a newly reconfigured plane as it sounds the upgraded seats themselves are the last item to be refurbished.

Personally, I would stick to UA. I really cant say enough good things about the p.s. product particularly in business class. No worries about what AA cabin you might or might not end up with.

[Edited 2007-03-12 02:30:06]
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RE: Has AA Upgraded Its Transcon F Service Yet?

Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:23 am

Thanks! I'll actually pay cash for this flight - trying to rack up those tier points before I get demoted by BA next year  Wink

I did read your report again before posting, which provided a glimmer of hope. I just got back from an 11-leg Asia trip, and the idea of a taking a domestic flight is not sitting well with me...but it's time to suck it in, I guess.
 
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RE: Has AA Upgraded Its Transcon F Service Yet?

Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:36 am

Quoting Comorin (Reply 3):
Thanks! I'll actually pay cash for this flight - trying to rack up those tier points before I get demoted by BA next year  

Apologies, read the 'on BA miles' bit and presumed one was redeeming  Wink

To be quite honest unless you are rolling in money doing JFK-SFO on the 763 will be perfectly adequate. I just priced up JFK-SFO-JFK for early July and it came back as $1600 in F for the aforementioned aircraft. To do F on the 762 would be nearer $4700 return. Completely not worth it IMO.

If you needed the extra tier points you could do EWR-LAX-SFO and back, netting an extra 120 tier points over the non stop alternatives. You'd have to suffer on the 757 across the country but would get to use the Flagship Lounge at LAX.

Fraser says do the 763 for $1600 rtn. Excellent value if you ask me!  Smile
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RE: Has AA Upgraded Its Transcon F Service Yet?

Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:41 am

I used to fly both aa and ua to the west coast. Both have 3 class aircraft and both were pretty bad in biz. But when ua launched p.s. Service I was blown away. I have already gone p.s. Four times this year and I am still amazed at the seat comfort in biz, food is amazing and proves that when an airline wants to serve good food they can. The individual dvd player is great with about 8 or 10 dvd's to choose from. Flight attendants are all in a good mood becuase its such a step-up for united. Service is amazing.
I would go with ua and reward them with your business. No I don't work for ua.
Also, try a seat in row 6, the exit row. There is about 10 feet in leg room.
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RE: Has AA Upgraded Its Transcon F Service Yet?

Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:58 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 2):
Personally, I would stick to UA. I really cant say enough good things about the p.s. product particularly in business class. No worries about what AA cabin you might or might not end up with.

Thank you for considered post. I am most tempted to fly p.s. as it was simply magnificent two years ago.

Off-topic, I wish the US airline industry was opened up to foreign investment. It's the only way customer service is going to improve.

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 4):
Fraser says do the 763 for $1600 rtn. Excellent value if you ask me! Smile

Fraser, you've always done right by me!  Smile But I cannot go through another AA 757 F experience...life's too short. I'll check out both UA and AA sites and let you know what I did. I may have to do the unthinkable and give up on the tier points....
 
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RE: Has AA Upgraded Its Transcon F Service Yet?

Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:30 am

Hey, comorin, let me know too (especially if you take UA! I want to know whether we treated you well!)!!
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RE: Has AA Upgraded Its Transcon F Service Yet?

Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:32 am

Quoting Comorin (Reply 6):
Fraser, you've always done right by me!   But I cannot go through another AA 757 F experience...life's too short.

Guess I should have made myself more clear but I'm not suggesting you do  Wink If you do JFK-SFO-JFK on the 767-300 in F you'll have the international J seat with 60" pitch and it'd only cost $1600. In terms of comfort and seating it is worlds apart from the 757.
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RE: Has AA Upgraded Its Transcon F Service Yet?

Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:00 am

Quoting United777atGU (Reply 7):
Hey, comorin, let me know too (especially if you take UA! I want to know whether we treated you well!)!!

Will do! I was most impressed by UA's p.s. ( C) , even in direct comparison to BA CW. I like to support airlines that are trying hard to win back business, instead of squeezing their premium customers.

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 8):
f you do JFK-SFO-JFK on the 767-300 in F you'll have the international J seat with 60" pitch and it'd only cost $1600.

Thanks, that makes it clear! I'll sleep on it and make my call tomorrow. I do appreciate everyone's helpful comments.
 
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RE: Has AA Upgraded Its Transcon F Service Yet?

Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:53 pm

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 8):
Guess I should have made myself more clear but I'm not suggesting you do If you do JFK-SFO-JFK on the 767-300 in F you'll have the international J seat with 60" pitch and it'd only cost $1600. In terms of comfort and seating it is worlds apart from the 757.

Excellent advice.
 
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RE: Has AA Upgraded Its Transcon F Service Yet?

Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:13 pm

All of CO's 757 have BizFirst seating now though if the 757 u have last time was a domestic config.
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RE: Has AA Upgraded Its Transcon F Service Yet?

Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:43 pm

all of CO 757-200s have 16 Business/First
all of CO 757-300s have 24 domestic First Class
 
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RE: Has AA Upgraded Its Transcon F Service Yet?

Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:59 am

OK Fellas, here's the deal:

JFK - SFO on AA35 (763) F $748
SFO- JFK on UA8 (757) Z ( p.s. business) $918


I'll be glad to do a comparative TR, but am too shy to take pics onboard...  no 

Again, thanks for the helpful posts.
 
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RE: Has AA Upgraded Its Transcon F Service Yet?

Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:22 am

Why couldn't any of us think of that... split the round-trip on two different airlines! Duh! Shame... Thanks for flying UA...
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RE: Has AA Upgraded Its Transcon F Service Yet?

Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:25 pm

Quoting United777atGU (Reply 14):
Why couldn't any of us think of that... split the round-trip on two different airlines!

I do my best thinking when I'm asleep! Anyway, I'm really looking forward to the p.s. service...glad to support UA.
 
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RE: Has AA Upgraded Its Transcon F Service Yet?

Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:26 pm

It's too late to change it now probably but some posters before might have made it seem confusing. The service on a 2-class plane like the one you're on on AA will be a C service instead of a true international F service like on teh 762. That is why there is such a diffferncein price.
 
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RE: Has AA Upgraded Its Transcon F Service Yet?

Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:31 pm

Quoting Daron4000 (Reply 16):
It's too late to change it now probably but some posters before might have made it seem confusing. The service on a 2-class plane like the one you're on on AA will be a C service instead of a true international F service like on teh 762. That is why there is such a diffferncein price.

It's not too late! How do I tell if a flight is 2 or 3 class when booking? Are you saying that the 762 is 3 class and that the 763 is 2? I have until midnight tonight to finalize...

Thanks for your input.
 
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RE: Has AA Upgraded Its Transcon F Service Yet?

Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:41 pm

Quoting Comorin (Reply 17):
Are you saying that the 762 is 3 class and that the 763 is 2?

Yes. The 763 is 2 class and the 762 is 3 class.

Quoting Comorin (Reply 17):
How do I tell if a flight is 2 or 3 class when booking?

On AA.com, the type is listed in the "Aircraft Type" column on the flight selection page. On Kayak.com (da best search site IMHO) press the "details" link. If you're using Crapedia or Travelocrappity or Crapitz May The Force be with You.

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RE: Has AA Upgraded Its Transcon F Service Yet?

Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:04 pm

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 18):

Thanks! I was using aa.com, and while it does give my type and seat selection, it's hard to divine if it's 2 or 3 class. Let me get this right - If I book on any 762, then it's a 'real' F cabin?

I'll check out kayak.com too...
 
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RE: Has AA Upgraded Its Transcon F Service Yet?

Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:48 pm

Quoting Comorin (Reply 19):
Let me get this right - If I book on any 762, then it's a 'real' F cabin?

Yes indeed. As Seatguru shows, all AA 762s are 3 class with a "real" F cabin. However, the seats are hardly like those in BA first. No lie flat beds or anything. Seatguru shows 62" pitch. Also see the "Comparison Charts" section in the left menu on Seatguru.

On aa.com, you can go to "Reservations|View Available Seats" to check seat availability in all classes on a particular flight.
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RE: Has AA Upgraded Its Transcon F Service Yet?

Wed Mar 14, 2007 12:45 am

Quoting Daron4000 (Reply 16):
The service on a 2-class plane like the one you're on on AA will be a C service instead of a true international F service like on teh 762. That is why there is such a diffferncein price.



Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 8):
f you do JFK-SFO-JFK on the 767-300 in F you'll have the international J seat with 60" pitch and it'd only cost $1600. In terms of comfort and seating it is worlds apart from the 757.

OK, the fog lifts...

International F, only available in a 762 costs about $2300 each leg.
International J, called F on a 763, costs $800 each leg.

Final question: Is J class on the 762 = F class on the 763?

Thanks posters.
 
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RE: Has AA Upgraded Its Transcon F Service Yet?

Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:04 am

Quoting Comorin (Reply 21):
Final question: Is J class on the 762 = F class on the 763?

Yes. 763 F seat is the same as the 762 J seat.

The only other thing I have noticed sometimes on 2 class 763 transcons to/from JFK, is that the meal services are somewhat a hybrid. Neither the regular F or J 762 American Flagship Service.
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RE: Has AA Upgraded Its Transcon F Service Yet?

Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:07 am

I did some more research:

AA's 762s flying transcon offer American Flagship Service, a premium product like p.s.

( see here for an interesting article from cnn) http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/08/pf/goodlife_fortune/index.htm

So to compare apples to apples I would have to fly J in both. While the F on a 763 is roomier, it does not feature AFS.


I don't mean to hash this topic out to the nth degree, but I am hoping this extensive discussion might be useful to others contemplating a transcon flight in the future.

Thanks
 
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RE: Has AA Upgraded Its Transcon F Service Yet?

Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:19 am

Quoting Comorin (Reply 23):

I don't mean to hash this topic out to the nth degree, but I am hoping this extensive discussion might be useful to others contemplating a transcon flight in the future.

No problem. New information is still coming in.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 22):

Yes. 763 F seat is the same as the 762 J seat.

Indeed.
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RE: Has AA Upgraded Its Transcon F Service Yet?

Wed Mar 14, 2007 6:26 am

Quoting Comorin (Reply 21):
OK, the fog lifts...

International F, only available in a 762 costs about $2300 each leg.
International J, called F on a 763, costs $800 each leg.

Final question: Is J class on the 762 = F class on the 763?

Thanks posters.

I guess we need some clarification  Wink The 767-200 is a three class aircraft, the 767-300 is a two class aircraft marketed domestically as First & Coach.

767-200
-First Class - 2-1-2 configuration, 9 seat cabin, 60" pitch, American Flagship Service. The seats aren't the same as the international fleet. They are very comfy but it is certainly not an international F standard of seat. (180 tier points each way for BA Exec Club purposes) Approx. $2300 each way
-Business Class - 2-2-2 configration, 30 seat cabin, 50" pitch, American Flagship Service flight. The seat is the international J seat but with trimmed down pitch and some smal adjustments to the seat itself. (120 tier points each way for BA Exec Club). Around $1250 each way

767-300
-First Class - 2-2-2 configration, 30 seat cabin, 60" pitch, non-American Flagship Service flights. The seats are the international J seat with 60" pitch. These aircraft are often found on the 2-class international flights where this acts as the Business Class cabin. (180 tier points each way for BA Exec Club). Around $750 each way.

My opinion is go for the 767-300 in First Class, the space is perfectly adequate for the length of flight and for what you get on the AFS 767-200 flights up front isn't worth the premium. The 'international service' that Daron4000 refers to was toned down drastically around Easter last year. There is no champagne, let alone premium marque, and the fancy meals have been withdrawn in favour of slightly spruced up Business Class ones. I'd say stick with what you've got  Wink Just my opinion...
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RE: Has AA Upgraded Its Transcon F Service Yet?

Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:54 am

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 25):
My opinion is go for the 767-300 in First Class, the space is perfectly adequate for the length of flight and for what you get on the AFS 767-200 flights up front isn't worth the premium. The 'international service' that Daron4000 refers to was toned down drastically around Easter last year. There is no champagne, let alone premium marque, and the fancy meals have been withdrawn in favour of slightly spruced up Business Class ones. I'd say stick with what you've got Wink Just my opinion...

Fraser, I do appreciate again your summing up. I will be going ahead as planned on the 763 F - as per your original advice! Makes a lot of sense - most bang for the buck. [thumbsup}. Thanks again.